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Visiting India’s ancient monuments? Prepare for racism

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Visiting India’s ancient monuments? Prepare for racism



The idea of who is or isn’t a foreigner manifests daily in a summary assessment of the skin colour of tourists queuing outside the ticket counter of monuments of national importance. You can call this a farcical display of discrimination based on colour, but it can be bruising nevertheless—for Indians and foreigners alike.

This shameful story of racism is an outcome of the Archaeological Survey of India’s (ASI’s) policy to have dual pricing for entry tickets to the monuments. Under this the foreigners have to pay several times more than Indians. For instance, to enter the Taj Mahal, foreigners pay Rs750 ($12.5), as against the Rs20 ($0.33) Indians do. For visiting the Red Fort or the Humayun Tomb in Delhi, Indians pay Rs10 ($0.17) and foreigners Rs250 ($4.2).

The problem is that there isn’t a mechanism in place through which the citizenship of visitors can be determined. No proof of identity is asked for, and whether a tourist is foreigner is determined by the person at the ticket counter on the basis of his or her notion of who looks Indian in appearance. The colour of skin and facial features become the clinching factors in this egregiously flawed process of determining citizenship.

Thus, anyone who is white or black is asked to buy the more costly ticket unless he or she challenges the person at the counter and furnishes identity documents to prove that they are Indians. Even a person such as Sonia Gandhi, who has relinquished her Italian citizenship for an Indian one, might run the risk of being declared an outsider, only because her complexion is foreign-white.

Judging by the clothes

The legal definition of who is an Indian citizen eludes the person who mans the ticket counter. His or her perception of who is a foreigner is almost always based on colour and sartorial style. Thus, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis or Sri Lankans can swing through the gates of the Taj Mahal for Rs20 even though they too have to pay a higher rate for entry—Rs510—which is Rs240 lower than what others clubbed as foreigners have to dish out. They could get into Delhi’s Red Fort for just Rs10, as their appearance wouldn’t arouse suspicion that they are foreigners.

Nor are those Indians suspected who are brown in colour but are citizens of another country. Really, who would challenge the identity of a lookalike of the West Indian cricketer Shivnaraine Chaderpaul unless he gives away his foreign-ness through his accent? No wonder, foreigners of Indian origin often have their relatives buy tickets at the rates applicable for Indians, evading the possibility of giving themselves away through their accented speech.

But judging the Indian citizenship of visitors from their appearance is demeaning for those who don’t have features or colour the ASI personnel consider Indian. My relative was asked to pay the foreigner’s rate at Delhi’s Humayun tomb because the person at the ticket counter thought she was from the Philippines. She had to speak in Hindi to avail of the Rs10 ticket. Some people from the northeast states experience this slight whenever they are asked, “You foreigner?”

At times, Indians are classified as foreigners because of their sartorial style. For instance, wear shorts, t-shirt and a cap, and you might be gruffly asked to pay the amount charged from the foreigner. To prove his Indian-ness, one journalist uttered the choicest abuses in the local language.

This dual pricing policy is justified on the basis that tickets for visiting historical sites abroad are priced far higher than they are in India, and foreigners, therefore, are not only accustomed to paying high rates, but can also afford it. It enhances the revenue of the Archaeological Survey of India, enabling it to maintain and manage better the monuments under its charge. But this logic is flawed—tickets for visiting historical sites in Asian and African countries are not, unlike in the West, priced exorbitantly high.

Resentment among backpackers

Charging higher fees from foreigners without granting them special rights to access monuments is both exploitative and discriminatory. Such policies are opposed because they spawn in a category of people a feeling of hurt and victimisation.

You might think tourists from the prosperous European or American or southeast Asian nations would be oblivious of the dual pricing of entry tickets. But ask Sanjay Sharma, who is the president of regional-level-approved Guides Association of Agra, ministry of tourism. He says the backpacker bunch resent ASI’s dual pricing policy and often whisper among themselves the inherent injustice of having to pay more than Indians to visit historical sites in and around Agra.

“The more prosperous of tourists don’t bother because their tours are organised through travel agencies which have already paid for their entry tickets,” said Sharma. “They don’t have to purchase tickets at the counter, which is where different rates for different classes of tourists are listed. Most of them are oblivious of the discriminatory policy.”

When the dual pricing for tickets was announced well over a decade ago, Sharma says Agra witnessed protests and dharnas (demonstrations) against it. Even the Allahabad high court was petitioned, he said, but the dual pricing policy was upheld. “The differential ticket rates speak poorly for India,” Sharma said. “Do Indian citizens have to pay a higher entry fee than the Europeans for visiting museums or historical sites in their countries?”

He says some restaurants owners have taken to printing two sets of menu cards—the costlier one is presented to the foreigners. As is the case at the monuments, the colour of skin is the principal determinant of who is a foreigner. Point to the unfairness of this practice and these restaurateurs will, in the manner of the government, shoot back: Isn’t eating out far costlier in Europe than in India?

Visiting India’s ancient monuments? Prepare for racism – Quartz

here in indonesia also foringer has to pay extra
 
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Ever heard of Sikh's hordes coming to Pakistan? Mostly the only Pakistani interested in India are those who hail from there pre 1947. Other than that all Pak are catching, running, swimming, hiding, hitchin lifts one way .... the West.
And I did not vote for Mian Saheb. I measure success as zero contact.
Your country. Your choice. All i wanted to say was there is nothing wrong in having people to people contact even after being bitter adversaries.
 
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TT got owned big time in this thread lol :lol:

Your country. Your choice. All i wanted to say was there is nothing wrong in have people to people contact even after being bitter adversaries.
Don't reply to him he is another India & Hindu phobic & racist religious bigot against whom admin will never take action
 
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First of all i would like to apologize for not knowing this since i never witnessed such a thing in Pakistan. I have been to a lot of places but i never observed such a thing take place.

Having said that, i would like to say it is wrong. This thing should not happen in Pakistan and neither anywhere else.

Again my humble apologies.

PS. I hope the reviewer is telling the truth in your link.
For the first time I saw a Pakistani to own up to his mistake in this forum and honestly make corrections.. wow..!

I think it's damn fine idea for India to charge Pakistani's 10 times what they charge other foreigners. In Pakistan we need to charge 10 times whatever they charge to go to India and then 10 times on coming back. That should dissuade anybody going to that dump.

And anybody going to India more then once loses Pak citizenship. No Pakistani should visit India other than officials.

Ps. Still can't frankly figure out why a Pakistani would want to go to India when there is a whole world to explore.
Please convey the message to those Pakistanis coming to India seeking medical care. I hear the number is increasing YoY. And yes.. tell the same to the terrorists as well...I just realized something while I'm writing this...God..What a country!!
 
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I think it's damn fine idea for India to charge Pakistani's 10 times what they charge other foreigners. In Pakistan we need to charge 10 times whatever they charge to go to India and then 10 times on coming back. That should dissuade anybody going to that dump.

And anybody going to India more then once loses Pak citizenship. No Pakistani should visit India other than officials.

Ps. Still can't frankly figure out why a Pakistani would want to go to India when there is a whole world to explore.

Don't you worry no matter what you do there will still be millions of Pakistanis who will come to India for medical treatment. Rules are rules in India.... killing an endangered animal is crime it is...be it the President or a celebrity like Salman Khan if you kill endangered animal you will be in jail....unlike Pakistan where Arabs come and kill endangered animal and Pakistanis give them a Royal welcome.
If you are not an Indian National...you have to pay Rs.750...no point whining...rules are rules.

Yeah Bangladeshi Pakistani and Srilankans are very much Indian why charge them as foreigners :azn:
Well you will get a Rs20 ticket after ghar wapsi....are you ready???
 
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I relieve myself when flying over india, why come to that shithole.
Then, my friend you have nothing to worry. :D The obsession with poop is disturbing ...? Because I see this as a recurring theme here. :unsure:

We also charge foreigners more in parks,museums and historical sites. It is well known to me.
Don't and I mean DON'T bring logic and facts here. Those are VERBOTEN. :mad:
 
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Well you will get a Rs20 ticket after ghar wapsi....are you ready???

Still possible without a ghar wapasi

The legal definition of who is an Indian citizen eludes the person who mans the ticket counter. His or her perception of who is a foreigner is almost always based on colour and sartorial style. Thus, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis or Sri Lankans can swing through the gates of the Taj Mahal for Rs20 even though they too have to pay a higher rate for entry—Rs510—which is Rs240 lower than what others clubbed as foreigners have to dish out. They could get into Delhi’s Red Fort for just Rs10, as their appearance wouldn’t arouse suspicion that they are foreigners.


But judging the Indian citizenship of visitors from their appearance is demeaning for those who don’t have features or colour the ASI personnel consider Indian. My relative was asked to pay the foreigner’s rate at Delhi’s Humayun tomb because the person at the ticket counter thought she was from the Philippines. She had to speak in Hindi to Some people from the northeast states experience this slight whenever they are asked, “You foreigner?
 
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First of all i would like to apologize for not knowing this since i never witnessed such a thing in Pakistan. I have been to a lot of places but i never observed such a thing take place.

Having said that, i would like to say it is wrong. This thing should not happen in Pakistan and neither anywhere else.

Again my humble apologies.

PS. I hope the reviewer is telling the truth in your link.
It is NOT wrong. The price of INR 250 is very much justified. Why? It is largely meant for Western tourists. Consider the fee as $4. That is nothing for them. For many of us it is too much. Then again charging a meager 30 cents for them is ridiculous. The logic is that INR 20 to an Indian/Pakistani is equivalent to $4 for a Westerner. There are SAARC benefits that allows some countries to avail that offer. So yes, Sri Lankans for example may not have to shell out $4 to visit Jantar Mantar for example. But the logic is there and till our per capita income is equivalent to the West, this differential pricing is very logical.

There can be exceptions for certain foreigners - like students with low/no income, zones etc. But the intention is right. In our country as well as in yours.

Still can't frankly figure out why a Pakistani would want to go to India when there is a whole world to explore.
Seriously. I can't get why there are so many Pakistanis flocking here. In the city where I am right now, there are frequent Pakistani college bands that come to perform. LUMS is very common. Sorry if I got the name wrong, but you get the point. I don't mind them though. They sing well, work hard and can drink a lot. :D Also unlike the Israeli bands, they don't have a drug problem.
 
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Sorry, since you must be planning to come here, you must pay a foreigner's fee. Don't like it? Don't come to India.

You missed the crux of the argument. The Indian citizens from Northeast were stopped since they have Mongolian features and forced to pay foreigner fee while Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/SriLankans were admitted with local fee. The guards are using facial features and clothes to distinguish who to charge foreign fee and are not checking passports/identity cards.
 
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You missed the crux of the argument. The Indian citizens from Northeast were stopped since they have Mongolian features and forced to pay foreigner fee while Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/SriLankans were admitted with local fee. The guards are using facial features and clothes to distinguish who to charge foreign fee and are not checking passports/identity cards.
Yes, sorry, that is a disgusting thing to happen. The guards who are posted are simple X/XII pass guys mostly and are not aware of the country's diverse groups. It's not their fault entirely. Many are Northeasterners as well. They sometimes asked me for passport! It is a case of ignorance, not racism

It is important to teach them to simply ask for ID before dishing out tickets. But then the queues will get a lot longer. :D
 
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Don't and I mean DON'T bring logic and facts here. Those are VERBOTEN. :mad:
Well I do not think that it has anything to do with racism of a country be it India or Pakistan. Perhaps syedali73 has been living in Malaysia for a very long time so he does not know that we greedy people charge the foriegners more, more in selling them exotic desi items as well.
 
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Well I do not think that it has anything to do with racism of a country be it India or Pakistan. Perhaps syedali73 has been living in Malaysia for a very long time so he does not know that we greedy people charge the foriegners more, more in selling them exotic desi items as well.
Yeah, the fleecing is very acute. Foreigners should be given a Bargaining 101 in flight. :D
 
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Then... People Who visit Pakistan Should already arrange their Funeral ceremonies !!:lol::lol:
 
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