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Just a few days before the creation of Pakistan, while inaugurating the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947, Jinnah spoke of an inclusive and pluralist democracy promising equal rights for all citizens regardless of their religion, caste or creed

Most people seem to suffer from a preconceived, inherent repulsion to the idea of secularism, equating it with atheism, anarchy, anti-religious or, more importantly, anti-Islamic concept. What do we really mean by a ‘secular’ Pakistan? We mean a nation that neither supports nor opposes any religion, where all citizens, regardless of their faith, are respected and treated as equal. It defines a state in which the faith of citizens becomes irrelevant for the will of the majority reigns supreme. Pakistan was conceived as a country where every citizen will live in harmony while practising their individual faiths without interfering in the beliefs of others. Pakistan equally belongs to the Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, atheists and all other minorities living in it. We are all Pakistanis first. Going by this definition, it is all the more clear that Islam carries within itself the inherent attributes of a secular code of conduct, forming the very foundation of the Islamic beliefs.

The inherent secular nature of Islam is evident from the following Quranic verses: “Had God willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them” (6:107) and “Do not revile those unto whom they pray beside God, lest they wrongfully revile God through ignorance” (6:108). Islam does not preach coercion of believers of other faiths as the Holy Quran says, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256) and “(So) for you is your religion and for me is my religion” (109:6). According to Abu Dawood 3:170, the Prophet (PBUH) said, “Beware! If anyone dared oppress a member of minority community or usurped his right or tortured him more than his endurance or took something away forcibly without his consent, I would fight (against such Muslims) on his behalf on the Day of Judgment.” At another point the Prophet (PBUH) said, “Whoever killed a member of a minority community, he would not smell the fragrance of paradise though fragrance of paradise would cover the distance of forty years (of travelling)” (Ibne Rushd, Badiya-tul-Mujtahid, 2:299).

The phrase ‘laa ilaaha illa Allah’ (there is no deity except God) is one of the major pillars of the Muslim faith. The phrase echoed in the slogan “Pakistan ka matlab kya : Laa ilaaha illa Allah” as the struggle for the creation of Pakistan was nearing its completion, despite the fact that most of the religious leaders and parties were against this idea and joined the chorus at a later stage when the creation of a separate homeland became inevitable.

What was the father of the nation fighting for? Just a few days before the creation of Pakistan, while inaugurating the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947, Jinnah spoke of an inclusive and pluralist democracy promising equal rights for all citizens regardless of their religion, caste or creed. His vision was very clear. A homeland was being created for a population, the majority of which was Muslim, but which ensured equal rights for all the people living under the same umbrella. He did not want Pakistan to be a theocracy, a form of government in which a state is understood as being governed a clergy or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided. During a broadcast talk to the people of the US on Pakistan (recorded February 1948), the Quaid said, “In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.” Ironically, Quaid’s vision was ignored and instead Objectives Resolution was adopted which simply negated what Jinnah had conceived.

In addition, Pakistan’s name was changed to ‘Islamic Republic of Pakistan’. A new definition of who is a ‘Muslim’ was legislated and it was required that all citizens, while applying for a passport or a national ID card, must sign an oath in this regard. Religion is a personal matter of an individual and a matter between him and his Creator, but we have ordained it to the state. Not only that, we have given the state a religion of our own interpretation. A state cannot be categorised or labelled on the basis of religion. In Europe, there are 22 secular states followed by 20 in Africa, 17 in Asia, seven in North and South Americas and three in Oceania. Interestingly, the growth rates in the fields of science, technology, and literature, just to name a few areas, in developed secular countries are the highest in the world.

The Quaid’s vision of Pakistan was in line with the true spirit of Islamic injunctions. But both of these have been ignored in favour of religious orthodoxy that is pushing the nation towards complete disaster. Self-interested interpretations of religion have politicised religion and turned it into a salable commodity. The irony is that the majority is afraid to speak up against backward religious elements, who have done disservice to Islam by distorting its message and caused huge damage to the country in the name of religion.
 
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The Quaid’s vision of Pakistan was in line with the true spirit of Islamic injunctions. But both of these have been ignored in favour of religious orthodoxy that is pushing the nation towards complete disaster. Self-interested interpretations of religion have politicised religion and turned it into a salable commodity. The irony is that the majority is afraid to speak up against backward religious elements, who have done disservice to Islam by distorting its message and caused huge damage to the country in the name of religion.

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Islam is the only solution Islam is a complete system Secularism has even started failing in Turkey Islam is the only solution and will be implemented if governments will not do it people on their own will rise up and implement it on their own

and Their is no compulsion in Islam means that you can't force anyone to become Muslim but Secular Traitors on signals from their masters in America try to distort this ayat
 
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whatever words are knows to a man with positive connotation, otherwise all in all both the system teach tolerance and harmony !!
 
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Sorry Sir for Muslims this is not a minor thing it is a choice a either you stand with Islam or you stand with Kufr if you stand with kufr than you are trying to challenge GOD and he doesn't like it at all ALLAH has sent Islam and its the whole system which has to be implemented and will be implemented sooner or later
 
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Just a few days before the creation of Pakistan, while inaugurating the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947, Jinnah spoke of an inclusive and pluralist democracy promisingequal rights for all citizens regardless of their religion, caste or creed

Many Muslim were willing to stay in India, Mr Jinnah wanted there safety.. If Mr Jinnah would have advocated for Islamic pakisat, it would have backfire on Indian Mulsims..

Hindu Mahasabha wanted Muslim free India, if jinnah would have asked for Hindu free Pakistan , Muslim in India would have been become second class citizens...


Sorry Sir for Muslims this is not a minor thing it is a choice a either you stand with Islam or you stand with Kufr if you stand with kufr than you are trying to challenge GOD and he doesn't like it at all ALLAH has sent Islam and its the whole system which has to be implemented and will be implemented sooner or later


GOD existence is confined to individual. My god is insignificant to you, so does yours to me...
 
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Islam is the only solution Islam is a complete system Secularism has even started failing in Turkey Islam is the only solution and will be implemented if governments will not do it people on their own will rise up and implement it on their own

Which world are you living in?

The AKP party has again and again reaffirmed that Turkey will remain a secular country.

The only difference is they want secularism that is not like France which is anti-religion but more like India/US/Australia where religion is allowed to be freely practiced.
 
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Sorry Sir for Muslims this is not a minor thing it is a choice a either you stand with Islam or you stand with Kufr if you stand with kufr than you are trying to challenge GOD and he doesn't like it at all ALLAH has sent Islam and its the whole system which has to be implemented and will be implemented sooner or later

And what the article is saying is Secularism is part of Islam as well or did you not read the article and the quotations from the Quran in this regard?
 
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Islam is the only solution Islam is a complete system Secularism has even started failing in Turkey Islam is the only solution and will be implemented if governments will not do it people on their own will rise up and implement it on their own

Among all Muslim state , Turkey is only one which is most developed, Which shows that keeping state and religion seprate is good for nation... if Islam would have been "Islam is the only solution Islam is a complete system Secularism" then Muslim nations would have been developed and peaceful.
 
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The definition of Secularism is the separation of a government, organisation or institution from religion and/or religious beliefs.Since Islam has given us the solution of complete way of life so why looking for other options.If you are looking for solutions of your own than isn't it suggests that you are finding the solutions of Islam weak.As a muslim if you are doing that then by definition you cannot be a muslim.The people usually questions about self interpretation in Isalm and that's the best question they have to support their logic.By using this reason these idiots they challenge the entire system.I want to tell them that the weakness is in them of not understanding.
 
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Which world are you living in?

The AKP party has again and again reaffirmed that Turkey will remain a secular country.

The only difference is they want secularism that is not like France which is anti-religion but more like India/US/Australia where religion is allowed to be freely practiced.
Sir I have friends in Turkey and they know about this Secularism stuff and what AKP party is in reality up to every one in Turkey know that and Islam is the whole system and wherever Secularism will be tried to be implemented it will face severe backlash
 
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Among all Muslim state , Turkey is only one which is most developed, Which shows that keeping state and religion seprate is good for nation... if Islam would have been "Islam is the only solution Islam is a complete system Secularism" then Muslim nations would have been developed and peaceful.

Sir Turkey started developing under the government which is known for being Islamist and slowly they are taking their nation back to Islam and Shariah
 
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I'm a pessimist about any chance for secularism taking hold in Pakistan. The author, like almost everyone else promoting secularism in Pakistan spends a lot of time arguing how it is not incompatible with Islam, how Islam is intrinsically secular....etc. The problem with that line of argument almost begins immediately with a counter argument similar/like the one posted by unicorn. You cannot put a foot in each of the boats. For secularism to work, one has to necessarily separate the state from religion & the way to do that is not by trying to create religious sanction for secularism. The problem with the argument as put forward by Unicorn is that it simply does not take into account any non-Muslims in Pakistan since the tenets of Islams can only appeal to Muslims. Until the understanding is developed that it is unfair to force people not of your religion to abide by the tenets of that religion(running the state on principles of any single religion qualifies as forcing), the argument for secularism will continue to fall on deaf ears.
 
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I'm a pessimist about any chance for secularism taking hold in Pakistan. The author, like almost everyone else promoting secularism in Pakistan spends a lot of time arguing how it is not incompatible with Islam, how Islam is intrinsically secular....etc. The problem with that line of argument almost begins immediately with a counter argument similar/like the one posted by unicorn. You cannot put a foot in each of the boats. For secularism to work, one has to necessarily separate the state from religion & the way to do that is not by trying to create religious sanction for secularism. The problem with the argument as put forward by Unicorn is that it simply does not take into account any non-Muslims in Pakistan since the tenets of Islams can only appeal to Muslims. Until the understanding is developed that it is unfair to force people not of your religion to abide by the tenets of that religion(running the state on principles of any single religion qualifies as forcing), the argument for secularism will continue to fall on deaf ears.
Sir Islam will fail in Turkey to because Islam is the system and Secularism is the separate system and in one area to systems can't co exist sir and where ever in a Muslims Area Secularism will be tried to be implemented it will sooner or later fail
 
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