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Vietnam vice minister apologizes to Japan for “$2 Billion loan” gaffe

I've had great discussions with members like @Viet , @Carlosa , @Rent et al, but some of the things that @NiceGuy is saying and propagating here is borderline histrionic. I mean, he keeps on talking about how Japan and China is the barrier for Vietnam unifying a "Submekong" State? What the heck.

I have to bite my tongue from saying anything upsetting.:hitwall:
there's an old Javanese words, "The Wise stands back"
 
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Welcome to the club @Nihonjin1051 now you know how we feel when having a debate with them :rofl:
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The classical and neo-classical theories of ODA provides to cover 3 gaps:
a) Savings - Investment gap
b) Foreign exchange gap
c) Technological gap

The role of Government coordination in ODA is allocating ODA for priority projects to create favorable conditions for socioeconomic development, directly tackling the poverty source, guarantee the results of economic growth will be equally distributed.

Successful strategy of ODA donors support the sectoral and regional development plan by financing priority projects, applying program based approach by combining both developmental studies and financing a number of priority projects. Starting the harmonization in terms of feasibility study, procurement, reporting system, coordination among donors. Lastly the application of new aid modality, which is based on budget support and program-based approach.

Lastly, I want to emphasize that Japan's ODA in Vietnam focuses on construction of large-scale infrastructure and human resource development with a view of promoting economic growth and poverty reduction. This has been realized in the creation of the Northern Growth Triangle, the Central Growth Triangle and the Southern Growth Triangle.This is proven with results.

** Northern Growth Triangle = Hanoi - Hai Phong - Quang Ninh
**Central Growth Triangle = Da Nang Areas
** Southern Growth Triangle = Ho Chi Minh City- Vung Tau Areas

:coffee:
 
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The classical and neo-classical theories of ODA provides to cover 3 gaps:
a) Savings - Investment gap
b) Foreign exchange gap
c) Technological gap

The role of Government coordination in ODA is allocating ODA for priority projects to create favorable conditions for socioeconomic development, directly tackling the poverty source, guarantee the results of economic growth will be equally distributed.

Successful strategy of ODA donors support the sectoral and regional development plan by financing priority projects, applying program based approach by combining both developmental studies and financing a number of priority projects. Starting the harmonization in terms of feasibility study, procurement, reporting system, coordination among donors. Lastly the application of new aid modality, which is based on budget support and program-based approach.

Lastly, I want to emphasize that Japan's ODA in Vietnam focuses on construction of large-scale infrastructure and human resource development with a view of promoting economic growth and poverty reduction. This has been realized in the creation of the Northern Growth Triangle, the Central Growth Triangle and the Southern Growth Triangle.This is proven with results.

** Northern Growth Triangle = Hanoi - Hai Phong - Quang Ninh
**Central Growth Triangle = Da Nang Areas
** Southern Growth Triangle = Ho Chi Minh City- Vung Tau Areas

:coffee:
We dont need to get Rich at all cost, if we wanted to be rich, we would follow US instead of fighting against them. What we want is to be strong enough to counter all threats.

The only way to be strong enough is to unify the sub-Mekong region like what we did in 1979 (but JP-US supported China to stop us), and the Govt. seems forget the right way for VN to become stronger when getting tuck in corruption problem , and it getting more and more serious due to the ODA that keep the corrupted Govt. alive for so long.

Ur ODA mainly create bad quality high way, bad bridge for VN bcz No one can check the quality of the projects . Most of them will collapse or having serious problem in short time soon.
 
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In any case we have to pay back, bro, we have to keep our words. This is prestige of our nation.

I don't believe that rate exchange of Yen/US$ will be fell so much, but with Abenomic polycy afer 20 year (it is the grace lending time of ODA Loan from Japan) the rate exchange of Yen/US$ should be 125 Yen/1 Dollar is ok.:pop:
So, do we have to pay back the loan for Can Tho bridge that lead to the death of 50 workers or the bad quality high way like Mai Dich-Trung Hoa ??
 
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Ur ODA mainly create bad quality high way, bridge to VN. Most of them will collapse or having serious problem in short time soon.

The next time you use the Nhat Tan Bridge (Japan Friendship Bridge) and wonder to yourself , "oh gee wizz, i wonder how Vietnam was able to develop, and build this bridge", know that it was funded by no other than JICA.

I want all common Vietnamese citizens to use this bridge. But, you, no, i wish you don't use this bridge. Better for you to take a barge or canoe.

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The next time you use the Nhat Tan Bridge (Japan Friendship Bridge) and wonder to yourself , "oh gee wizz, i wonder how Vietnam was able to develop, and build this bridge", know that it was funded by no other than JICA.

I want all common Vietnamese citizens to use this bridge. But, you, no, i wish you don't use this bridge. Better for you to take a barge or canoe.

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Okay, let see how long can it last. We only pay back the loan that can build a good quality bridge while JP Govt. still owe VN the life of 50 poor workers in Can Thơ bridge case.
 
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So, do we have to pay back the loan for Can Tho bridge that lead to the death of 50 workers or the bad quality high way like Mai Dich-Trung Hoa ??

Next time you use the Hai Van Tunnel, i want you to not go through. In fact, better for you to take airplane, or hike the mountains.

Because Hai Van Tunnel Project was funded by no other than JICA, you ungrateful Vietnamese !

Better for other people in your country to use it, but for you, no. I wish you never use it or dare taste anything Japanese built.

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Okay, let see how long can it last. We only pay back the loan that can build a good quality bridge while JP Govt. still owe VN the life of 50 poor workers in Can Thơ bridge case.

No ! Don't use the bridge that My country funded. You can take a barge, or better yet, take an airplane.

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So, do we have to pay back the loan for Can Tho bridge that lead to the death of 50 workers or the bad quality high way like Mai Dich-Trung Hoa ??

Please review the cause of that collapse. In fact, it was the failure of Vietnamese engineers to listen to Japanese recommendation that led to the unfortunate collapase.

Long before the collapse, on 12 January, a Japanese construction consultant, Hiroshi Kudo, had recommended specific measures for installing the temporary poles for the scaffolding, and that load tests for the piling should be carried out in accordance with international standards and codes. According to Kudo, the loading capacity of the scaffolding, as per the detailed design proposed by the contractors, met just 15% of the required loading. He remarked that:

  • The contractors had multiplied the pile overloading ratio by 1.15 instead of 1.25 in accordance with the American standard or 1.35 in accordance with the Japanese standard;
  • When calculating the wind force on the temporary piles, the contractors had applied a wind force of 0.5 kPa, which was too low; it should have been 2.5 kPa. (According to NCE.co.uk, 2.5 is the coefficient for the wind loading

Collapsed Can Tho bridge engineers knew scaffolding was inadequate | Online news | New Civil Engineer


So quit blabbering and blaming. It was Vietnamese engineers who knew of what JAPANESE ARCHITECTS had recommended, but failed to implement !

Heck, we even apologized for the failure of Vietnamese civil engineers. :disagree:
 
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The classical and neo-classical theories of ODA provides to cover 3 gaps:
a) Savings - Investment gap
b) Foreign exchange gap
c) Technological gap

The role of Government coordination in ODA is allocating ODA for priority projects to create favorable conditions for socioeconomic development, directly tackling the poverty source, guarantee the results of economic growth will be equally distributed.

Successful strategy of ODA donors support the sectoral and regional development plan by financing priority projects, applying program based approach by combining both developmental studies and financing a number of priority projects. Starting the harmonization in terms of feasibility study, procurement, reporting system, coordination among donors. Lastly the application of new aid modality, which is based on budget support and program-based approach.

Lastly, I want to emphasize that Japan's ODA in Vietnam focuses on construction of large-scale infrastructure and human resource development with a view of promoting economic growth and poverty reduction. This has been realized in the creation of the Northern Growth Triangle, the Central Growth Triangle and the Southern Growth Triangle.This is proven with results.

** Northern Growth Triangle = Hanoi - Hai Phong - Quang Ninh
**Central Growth Triangle = Da Nang Areas
** Southern Growth Triangle = Ho Chi Minh City- Vung Tau Areas

:coffee:

This is the type of propaganda that the corrupted Viet officials and Japanese ODA lenders use to cover up their dirty trick. This kind of propaganda has already been debunked by mike2000, Wanglao, FairAndUnbiased, etc.

The next time you use the Nhat Tan Bridge (Japan Friendship Bridge) and wonder to yourself , "oh gee wizz, i wonder how Vietnam was able to develop, and build this bridge", know that it was funded by no other than JICA.

I want all common Vietnamese citizens to use this bridge. But, you, no, i wish you don't use this bridge. Better for you to take a barge or canoe.

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Again, you keep using this colonist/slave owner attitude to demand Vietnamese people to be grateful. :bad:

You keep avoiding the problems of the Japanese ODA mechanism. It doesn't promote a fair and transparent tender for other contractors to compete in. Japanese contractors must be chosen, even if they are corrupt like the one in charge of Can Tho bridge that causes the death of 50 workers.

Japanese ODA mechanism allows corrupted Viet officials to stay in power and the mechanism doesnt promote transparency and effective governance, something that VN badly needs in order for it to truly develop.
 
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You will still pay some, but not all. Their goal is to always keep you in debt so that you will always depend on aid and ODA. I hope VietNam will find a way to play this game against them.

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Yeah, we will find out a way. We've played that game to Camb-Laos long before JP Govt. plays wt us.

Weak VN is good for China, some aspects r good for JP, but very bad for ASEAN region , India, Russia and US. If China can control the whole East sea (SCS) then we all will be in great threat of free navigation.
 
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Please review the cause of that collapse. In fact, it was the failure of Vietnamese engineers to listen to Japanese recommendation that led to the unfortunate collapase.

Long before the collapse, on 12 January, a Japanese construction consultant, Hiroshi Kudo, had recommended specific measures for installing the temporary poles for the scaffolding, and that load tests for the piling should be carried out in accordance with international standards and codes. According to Kudo, the loading capacity of the scaffolding, as per the detailed design proposed by the contractors, met just 15% of the required loading. He remarked that:

  • The contractors had multiplied the pile overloading ratio by 1.15 instead of 1.25 in accordance with the American standard or 1.35 in accordance with the Japanese standard;
  • When calculating the wind force on the temporary piles, the contractors had applied a wind force of 0.5 kPa, which was too low; it should have been 2.5 kPa. (According to NCE.co.uk, 2.5 is the coefficient for the wind loading

Collapsed Can Tho bridge engineers knew scaffolding was inadequate | Online news | New Civil Engineer


So quit blabbering and blaming. It was Vietnamese engineers who knew of what JAPANESE ARCHITECTS had recommended, but failed to implement !

Heck, we even apologized for the failure of Vietnamese civil engineers. :disagree:
Then why u took all faults to u, instead of demand VN Govt. to put some officials in jail ??
 
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