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Vietnam SU-30 locked by J-10, 10 times

Russian exports are usually the downgraded versions. So, they may not be as good the Russians themselves use.

You want something more after purchase, they ask for a lot of money. I suppose China already passed that difficult stage. India already produces its own SU-30s.

My country had to ask Germany to help upgrade its MIG-29 fleet.

S-300 and other Russian SAMs are pretty good though.
Yep, we soon seek for S-300 manufacture contract, Air craft is expensive toy , and not a good defence tool also.

btw: some time, it's good for suicide mission, enemy will get shock :lol:
 
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But according to "pupu" saying: Chinese Air Force electronic warfare capabilities and tactical strike capability, that is, the Russian Air Force can not keep up. Not to mention India. India to help the Vietnamese find it completely useless.

It is good that we are underestimated. I like it. :cheers:
 
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But according to "pupu" saying: Chinese Air Force electronic warfare capabilities and tactical strike capability, that is, the Russian Air Force can not keep up. Not to mention India. India to help the Vietnamese find it completely useless.

They can ask India. After all, they are pretty good with all the avionics stuff. The SU-30MKI's avionics and software were all contributed by India during the overall development of the aircraft.
 
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lol, the pilot reports saying vietnam Su-30 had been locked on by Chinese J-10 more than 10 times, yet they didnt see any thing on their radar`lol

vn pilots must feel humiliated, they must thought it could not be happening as they believed they bought one of most advanced weapons``

i think vietcon will start to realise modern warfare is way out of their 70's mindset. its called information and electronic centric warfare`:D

No, he doesn't need to feel humiliated,it's not our strong point , it's expensive and ineffective for small country . Your real opponent is S-300 and AAA system :smokin:

btw: We surely use air force for Kamikaze mission , such as shoot dow oil tanker craft or AWACS :lol:
 
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Well..India would most likely offer EW upgrades to the Su-30's.
The reason why the Chinese were successful against the VN Su-30's is their own exp with the aircraft and electronics fit.
If the EW suite of the MKI is transplanted into the VN Su-30's.. the results may not be the same again.

i dont think that will be easy``the chinese J-10s were supported by KJ-2000 or KJ-200 AWACs, so they know vn's Su-30s position even far away from J-10's maxium radar detection range on classic 10m2 RSC signiture targets.

so J-10 had the advantage and time to maneuvor to most desirable altitude, speed, angle of attack and degree of radar scanning area, so these elements together can help J-10's radars to produce optimum results.

Su-30 and even MKI has similar or a bit longer radar detection range, but that will only achieve when MKI reaches those requirements i listed before, so without AWACs and other AW methodologies, it is unlikely even when the role changes to MKI can produce any better result against J-10 when supported by AWACs`
 
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They can ask India. After all, they are pretty good with all the avionics stuff. The SU-30MKI's avionics and software were all contributed by India during the overall development of the aircraft.

But according to "pupu" argument: Even if India to help Vietnam, that is without any effect.
 
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J-10 were used against SU-27/J-11 in PLAAF air combat exercises and won hands down, so it is no surprise VAF's SU-27SKUBK and SU-30MK2V were no mach for J-10 since VAF jets are likely having similar avionic and radar as early PLAAF SU-27/J-11.

Unless VAF upgrade to SU-35 radar and avionic suites, they can never match PLAAF. Even with export version of SU-35 electronic suites installed on SU-27 or SU-30MK2V there is still no certainty that VAF can beat the latest J-10B, J-11B and J-15.
 
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J-10 were used against SU-27/J-11 in PLAAF air combat exercises and won hands down, so it is no surprise VAF's SU-27SKUBK and SU-30MK2V were no mach for J-10 since VAF jets are likely having similar avionic and radar as early PLAAF SU-27/J-11.

Unless VAF upgrade to SU-35 radar and avionic suites, they can never match PLAAF. Even with export version of SU-35 electronic suites installed on SU-27 or SU-30MK2V there is still no certainty that VAF can beat the latest J-10B, J-11B and J-15.

But according to "pupu" saying: Chinese Air Force electronic warfare capabilities and tactical strike capability, the Russian Air Force can not keep up
 
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I copy and past here for reference of copy J 10:

The Chinese air force personnel, fighter Su-30MK2 too dependent on supplies from Russia, especially spare parts. In J-11 is a "fake" almost all Su-27 aircraft, although many modern features but still need improvement. Therefore, the J-10 by default become the "darling" of the country's air force.

J-10 is a lightweight multipurpose fighter an engine that can perform all tasks for air, for land in all weather conditions. The aircraft was designed by aircraft Institute Chengdu (611 Institute) design and manufacturing company Chengdu Aircraft (CAC) production.

J-10 official military service in China in 2004 with two versions of J10 and J10S (plane two seat trainer). February / 2009, China has announced a version of J-10B is said to have many improvements over the original J-10. There is fruits of cooperation between China and Israel, Pakistan and Russia.
In the early 1980s, when the planes first generation of Russian and American born (as F-16 and Mig-29), China has decided to design even a generation aircraft for their own based on the programs bearing with numbering 8610. However, when relations between the USSR and China was more intense in consequences of border conflict in 1969. Therefore, the project 8610 was a standstill for years for not getting the help of technology from the Soviet Union. Early in 1990, winning the support of a permanent member of the Security Council United Nations, Israel secretly handed over to China many design technology program designed lightweight fighter, it was destroyed his left, there was the Lavi, including design and aerodynamic shape of the electronic flight control software. Also, to help on the issue of nuclear weapons, Pakistan transferred to China F-16 for dissection study. The relationship between China and Israel did not last long, to March 12/1991, under U.S. pressure, Israel to stop all cooperation and technology transfer to China when the designs of the PW1120 engine and the radar systems have not been transferred. While seemingly difficult to continue to block the project step 8610, the Soviet Union disintegrated. Good luck to China as Russia agreed to provide China's Al-31F engines with the design of radar to China to complete his plane.
After a crash of a J-10 prototype in 1995, the project was on hold for several years to review the test, the first time J-10 took off on 03/22/1998 . After several successful trial with six test aircraft, J-10 was mass produced and officially produced and combat duty in May 7 / 2004 on the payroll of Air Force Regiment No. 132, 44 Division stationed at air bases Lu Liang, Shanxi Province, China.
The J-10 is designed as consecutive tail delta wing with a pair of small wings at the front Canard, similar to the Eurofighter Typhoon of the European countries or JAS-39 Gripen of Sweden. This design helps stabilize the plane and less area than the design with the traditional rear wing. Compare J-10 with a number of aircraft of the same design were produced before its JAS-39 Gripen - Sweden and Eurofighter Typhoon. Single air intake for engine designed rectangle located at the bottom of the aircraft belly. This design creates a big gap between the air intakes and body before making the aircraft easy to lose stability when flying at high speed. In the version of J-10B, the manufacturer announced old style gas inlet was removed and replaced by air intakes diffuse type ultrasound (DSI). This design of the J-10 aircraft that are less stable and require flight control software complexity, but in return the aircraft to be maneuvered at great speed high. Inlets of the J-10A located around the front plane a very destabilizing. Type of air intakes must reinforce the body with 6 small metal bar attached to the body. However, the level of binding as well as "easy to loose", especially when planes fly at high speed. J-10B overcomes this drawback by redesigned air intakes under the DSI model.
 
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The avionics of Su-30 MKI is tailor made for India and to some extent developed by Indians for specific requirements. Hope this exeprience India has with Israel and Russia should be useful to Vietnam

hence the J10 B my frind
 
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what the hell happened with those Su 30. Russia's tech is not good enough ?? Oki, VNAF officer is in big trouble now if it true.They've bought the wrong craft. :hitwall:

btw: I posted the incident in VN forum already, but no one known yet .


This is a fake news. I'm 99.9999999999% sure. Don't take it seriously.

lawxx, can you stop spreading rumors?
 
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