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A quote in the book 'Behind the Bamboo Curtain – China, Vietnam, and the World beyond Asia' part 3, chapter 14: Le Duan and the break with China.
Mr. Mao really wanted to send hungry Chinese to Laos and Thailand:coffee:
Well, i think Mr Mao unexpected how today China changed.
Hehe, a book can't help ppl to understand a country, the best way to travel here by yourself, watch it in ur eyes, touch it by ur hands. I strongly suggest everyone who never visit China has a chance to visit here, not BeiJing or ShangHai, just plan to visit some small or medium-sized cities of South provinces of PRC.

Back to the topic, Cambodia is 1st best partner for China in Southeast Asia, then is Thailand.
 
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:cheers:It's so funny that Vietnam said that they will protect their neighbour.
 
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Well, i think Mr Mao unexpected how today China changed.
Hehe, a book can't help ppl to understand a country, the best way to travel here by yourself, watch it in ur eyes, touch it by ur hands. I strongly suggest everyone who never visit China has a chance to visit here, not BeiJing or ShangHai, just plan to visit some small or medium-sized cities of South provinces of PRC.

Back to the topic, Cambodia is 1st best partner for China in Southeast Asia, then is Thailand.
Oki, so let's talk about Cambodia.
Lt. Gen. Ke Kim Yan, chief of the general staff: born in Battambang province, Ke Kim Yan has made his way up from the head of district military force. He speaks some English and Vietnamese. He has a very strong connection with Chea Sim, CPP president and chairman of the national assembly. He is pretty moderate. In the past, he turned down Hun Sens orders to prepare a military action against gen. Nhiek Bun Chhay and the royalists. It is widely believed he does not posses much power. For instance, during the negotiation with the Khmer Rouge, Ke Kim Yan was left out, and also during the coup of July 5-6, 1997, he did not play a major role. Ke Kim Yan is greatly involved in business deals such as logging contract with the Indonesian military general.

Lt. Gen. Tea Banh, Co-minister of defence born in Koh Kong province, Tea Banh joined the communist underground as company commander in the so-called militia unit of Koh Kong province. He was stationed in Koh Kong and along the Cambodian-Thai border until sometimes before the Vietnamese invasion in Cambodia in 1979. He was trained in Hanoi, and is very fluent in Vietnamese. He is also fluent in Thai and still maintains a huge house in Bangna, Bangkok. Most of his relatives have their second houses in Thailand and also hold Thai identification cards. He was a strong connection with Say Phou Thang, the most senior and powerful figure within the CPP. Say Phou Thang is widely believed to directly report and receives orders from the Vietnamese communist party. Tea Banh who speaks Khmer very bad, was interviewed with Radio Free Asia early 2002. If some of us-Khmers didnt learn to speak Khmer properly, we would not understand what he was talking about. Its terrible accent he uses on Radio Free Asia.

Lt. Gen. Chay Saing Yun, Co-secretary of state widely believed as a Vietnamese national, Chay Saing Yun rarely appears in public meeting, especially with the press. He does not want to be questioned about his background. He is one of the hard-liners and difficult to deal with. During the so-called aborted coup of July 1994 sin song and prince Chrapong, Chay Saing Yun fled to Vietnam.

Lt. Gen. Nuon Sok, Co-undersecretary of state, Nuon Sok said he was sent to Hanoi when he was very young. He went to Vietnam in 1954-55 after Cambodia gained its independence from France. He said he was so naive at the time but he just followed the group when they were recruited to be sent to Vietnam. In North Vietnam, he said that the Khmer children, who were brought there, were placed in Vietnamese villages to get acquainted with the Vietnamese cultural and life, and also to learn the Vietnamese language. He was married to a Vietnamese woman. He said he is very conscious about what the game of nationalism, if played, must be played by all Cambodian leaders, and not him alone.

Lt. Gen. Pol Saroeun, Deputy chief of the general staff trained in Vietnam. Pol Saroeun was chief of general staff before Ke Kim Yan. He was also governor of Takeo. He has a good connection with Hun Sen. He talks and reports directly to Hun Sen.

Lt. Gen. Meas Sophea, Deputy chief of the general staff widely believed as a Vietnamese national, Meas Sophea has a strong connection with Hun Sen. His father was known to be a north Vietnamese (Vietcong) Colonel. He played a major role during the 5-6 July coup.

After the coup, Ke Kim Yan, Pol Saroeun and Meas Sophea were promoted to become advisers to the royal government of Cambodia and of dictatorial leader Hun Sen.
DO you know why 'your best friend' made a coup backed by VietNam ??:coffee:
 
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Cambodia backs China against Vietnam and Philippines and the whole ASEN,that states everything.
 
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Oki, so let's talk about Cambodia.

DO you know why 'your best friend' made a coup backed by VietNam ??:coffee:
How old about ur data? R u still live in 30-20 years ago, not enter 21 century?
Yep, 'the best friend' made a coup backed by Vietnam... WHAT AND THEN? King Sihanouk back, 1982 he as Cambodia government's leader, 1993 rebecame the Cambodia King until 2004 abdicated, his son also continue to be the Cambodia King. Is that Cambodia a Kingdom of Cambodia ? Is that King a supreme ruler of the Kingdom ? Where's ur friends backed by Vietnam, do they still controlling whole Cambodia? Now they hear who commands ?

Wake up, bro! Here is 2013, when 'your best friend' made a coup backed by VietNam? U know what, ur ideas and Vietnam cities all live in at least 30-20years gaps comparing to China.

Today We r building high-speed rail system to connect with Southeast Asian countries, from BeiJing to Singapore, the railway through Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Malanxiya, Singapore. Only except Vietnam, u know why? because Vietnam can't get trust from China.
 
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Vietnam protected Cambodian people from massacre of Khmer Rouge, Polpot was friend of China.
Ho Chi Minh was also a friend of China, some famous Vietnamese leader ever said "Vietnamese and Chinese, r comrades and friends". Did they not friends in the past?


Past is the past, today national interests changed.
 
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Ho Chi Minh was also a friend of China, some famous Vietnamese leader ever said "Vietnamese and Chinese, r comrades and friends". Did they not friends in the past?


Past is the past, today national interests changed.

he didn't known that China turned to Uncla Sam side and showed her true face against Vietnam.
Officially Chinese communists can say about comrades and friends with "16 gold word", Vietnamese people don't believe on it.
 
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There are about offically 750,000 Vietnamese living in Cambodia (600,000) and Laos (150,000). But I think the unofficial number could be double, so 1,500,000 Vietnamese settle in the neighboring part of Indochina. The number is huge, considering the number of locals. Hundred thousand of Vietnamese tourists and billion of dollars investments pour into Cambodia and Laos every year, too.

So I guess in 10 years or so, Vietnam will establish "Indochina" on its will. Luckily the people of Cambodia and Laos are not as smart as us. :lol:
 
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There are about offically 750,000 Vietnamese living in Cambodia (600,000) and Laos (150,000). But I think the unofficial number could be double, so 1,500,000 Vietnamese settle in the neighboring part of Indochina. The number is huge, considering the number of locals. Hundred thousand of Vietnamese tourists and billion of dollars investments pour into Cambodia and Laos every year, too.

So I guess in 10 years or so, Vietnam will establish "Indochina" on its will. Luckily the people of Cambodia and Laos are not as smart as us. :lol:

I don't think so, future of us is ASEAN.
In any case we don't let they open fire from back of us base on interest of China like Polpot did in the past.
 
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beijingwalker said:
Cambodia backs China against Vietnam and Philippines and the whole ASEN,that states everything.
How old about ur data? R u still live in 30-20 years ago, not enter 21 century?
Yep, 'the best friend' made a coup backed by Vietnam... WHAT AND THEN? King Sihanouk back, 1982 he as Cambodia government's leader, 1993 rebecame the Cambodia King until 2004 abdicated, his son also continue to be the Cambodia King. Is that Cambodia a Kingdom of Cambodia ? Is that King a supreme ruler of the Kingdom ? Where's ur friends backed by Vietnam, do they still controlling whole Cambodia? Now they hear who commands ?

Wake up, bro! Here is 2013, when 'your best friend' made a coup backed by VietNam? U know what, ur ideas and Vietnam cities all live in at least 30-20years gaps comparing to China.

Today We r building high-speed rail system to connect with Southeast Asian countries, from BeiJing to Singapore, the railway through Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Malanxiya, Singapore. Only except Vietnam, u know why? because Vietnam can't get trust from China.
The coup happen in 1997,you seem know Nothing abt ur 'best friend'

First: Cambodia King have NO real power.

Second: Mr. Hun Sen who pro VNstil is real powerful leader until now , and his supporter: Gen. Tea Banh is Defence Minister , Gen. Meas Sophea(Vietnamese-Cambodian) is Army Chief now.

Hope u're not stupid to believe that VNese-Cambodian like Mr.Meas Sophea will support China against VN , VNese is control Cambodia army now:coffee:

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Whither Cambodia's Monarchy?
An analysis by Parameswaran Ponnudurai
2012-10-17

Ex-king Norodom Sihanouk's death raises questions about the future of the country's royal institution.

AFP

Norodom Sihanouk (R) greets Hun Sen in Phnom Penh, April 6, 2011.

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen may have acquired from ex-king Norodom Sihanouk some shrewd political skills that have made him Southeast Asia’s longest serving leader today. But now that the charismatic ruler is dead, will the powerful Hun Sen deftly move to dismantle the monarchy to further shore up his position?

This question is obviously in the minds of Cambodians as they mourn the death of Sihanouk, who succumbed to a heart attack this week in his "second home" Beijing while undergoing treatment for cancer.

When he was on the throne, Sihanouk had often clashed with Hun Sen. Their relationship was a rocky one, especially after 1997 when the tough Hun Sen began dominating power in Cambodia and undercut Sihanouk's influence.

Though Sihanouk cited old age and health problems when he abdicated the throne—for the second and final time—in 2004 in favor of his son Norodom Sihamoni, many believe one of the reasons for his stepping down was his fear that Hun Sen would dismantle the monarchy if they continued to quarrel.
With Sihanouk out of the throne, the monarchy in Cambodia wielded no real power over the last eight years. But it remains a significant institution due to the reverence Cambodians give to the royal family, experts say.

The 59-year-old King Sihamoni, a one-time ballet dancer and cultural ambassador, is seen as completely apolitical and has given little problems to Hun Sen or his senior officials, raising expectations that the 60-year-old prime minister, who has said he will remain in power for another decade, will keep the monarch.

“There is no reason to expect that Hun Sen will act against the monarchy in its present form, despite his occasional highly critical comments on some members of the Cambodian royal family,” said Milton Osborne, a Southeast Asian expert at the Lowy Institute, an international policy think tank in Sydney, Australia.

“King Sihamoni has followed a strictly correct role as king without any hint of involvement in political issues. He is relatively young and in good health, and could remain on the throne for many years to come,” Osborne said in a blog post.

No threat

King Sihamoni is unmarried and has no children but this does not threaten the succession because Cambodia's constitution provides for an elective monarchy drawn from descendants of the 19th century monarch, King Ang Duang, said Osborne, who has written an unauthorized biography Sihanouk: Prince of Light, Prince of Darkness.

Even though hundreds of thousands of Cambodians lined the streets to pay respects to Sihanouk when his body was flown in Wednesday from Beijing, Osborne points out that the bulk of the population has no personal memory of the “golden” years of the mercurial ex-king and independence hero who helped steer Cambodia through five decades of war, genocide, and disorder.

This could change their perception of the monarchy, he said.

“I think there is a genuine adherence to the monarchy, particularly in the peasantry who see the king still as a very special figure, almost divine to some extent. But in fact the majority of Cambodians have grown up without a powerful monarch in the palace in Phnom Penh and I think that does change the way people look at the institution.”

Still, Hun Sen did not take any chances.

Knowing well that Sihanouk was revered at home, the prime minister wasted little time before displaying his affection to the late “King-Father” upon his death.

On learning that the monarch had died in the Chinese capital, Hun Sen immediately flew to Beijing with King Sihamoni to escort his body home.

Then, on returning to Phnom Penh with Sihanouk's body, Hun Sen accompanied the casket as it weaved through the streets of Phnom Penh on a golden float.

Hun Sen also made sure that Sihanouk received a lavish state funeral.

He declared a week of mourning and ordered that the charismatic leader’s body lie in state at the Royal Palace in Phnom Penh for three months during which time the public can pay respects before it is cremated according to Buddhist ritual.

Even stronger

Some believe Hun Sen, who has been at the helm of Cambodian politics for more than three decades and whose administration is often accused of suppressing political freedoms and mistreatment of rights campaigners, will emerge even stronger after Sihanouk’s death.

“This is a new era for Hun Sen,” Lao Moung Hay, a former civil servant and professor of law and economics, told the New York Times. “There is no force to restrain him anymore—there are risks for the country.”

Prince Sisowath Thomico, King Sihanouk’s longtime private secretary and nephew, told the paper that some Cambodians were worried and afraid after Sihanouk’s death.

“He had such charisma,” the prince said. “And now there will be a kind of hiatus. The people of Cambodia will have to wait for the next person who will have that same moral authority.”

While Sihanouk may have been a consummate politician and had survived political maneuvering during the bloody Vietnam War and Pol Pot's murderous Khmer Rouge regime, he is being blamed by some quarters for the extensive powers that have been accumulated by Hun Sen today.

“Not noted in many [of Sihanouk’s] obituaries, however, is one important point,” said Joshua Kurlantzick, a Southeast Asian expert at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“At several times during his reign, Sihanouk made noises about opening Cambodia up to true multiparty democracy, but he never could really do so, preferring instead to keep all parties under the thumb of himself and the royalist establishment,” Kurlantzick said.

He acknowledged that at times, Sihanouk’s beneficent monarchical style proved effective—in the 1940s, 1950s, and early 1960s, “he made many judicious and foresighted decisions for his country.”

“But though he is hardly the only one to blame for Cambodia’s current political state, his inability to ever move beyond his patrician, monarchical, and authoritarian style left a legacy of big man rule that Hun Sen, for years Sihanouk’s antagonist, has readily adopted."

“Today, in fact, the true heir of Sihanouk is not his son Sihamoni, who sits on a far less valuable throne, but rather Hun Sen, who controls Cambodia the way Sihanouk once did.”
Whither Cambodia's Monarchy?
 
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Hun Sen now is China's adamant ally and he accused Vietnam of playing dirty politics against China.Vietnam pours billions of dollar to Cambodia?Vietnam as s dirt poor country doesn't even have money to feed their own people,Cambodia receives a lot of aid from China every year.
 
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There are about offically 750,000 Vietnamese living in Cambodia (600,000) and Laos (150,000). But I think the unofficial number could be double, so 1,500,000 Vietnamese settle in the neighboring part of Indochina. The number is huge, considering the number of locals. Hundred thousand of Vietnamese tourists and billion of dollars investments pour into Cambodia and Laos every year, too.

So I guess in 10 years or so, Vietnam will establish "Indochina" on its will. Luckily the people of Cambodia and Laos are not as smart as us. :lol:
We should remain Laos-Camb as they are cuz China control the flow of Mekong river.When we fight against China, China won't dare to cut off Mekong's flow to harm us cuz she will get in trouble with Laos-Cambodia.

Just control the army, that's the key to success in Laos-Cambodia.

Hun Sen now is China's adamant ally and he accused Vietnam of playing dirty politics against China.Vietnam pours billions of dollar to Cambodia?Vietnam as s dirt poor country doesn't even have money to feed their own people,Cambodia receives a lot of aid from China every year.
Oh, that's just his trick to drain China's money, VNese still control Cambodia army and we can make a coup there any time we want,nothing diffrent:coffee:
 
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