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[Carlosa]

India to help Vietnam build high-speed patrol boats in $100mn contract: ambassador
TUOI TRE NEWS
UPDATED : 08/31/2016 10:48 GMT + 7

A US$100 million contract will be signed between Vietnam and India to provide the former with high-speed patrol boats within the framework of the upcoming official visit to Vietnam of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

During an interview with Tuoi Tre (Youth) newspaper, Indian Ambassador to Vietnam Parvathaneni Harish has given some insight into the trip of Prime Minister Modi, scheduled for September 2 - 3.

This is the first visit to Vietnam of an Indian head of government in 15 years, Ambassador Harish stated, adding that many significant documents are expected to be signed between the two parties.

“The Indian leadership has focused on its Act East Policy in which our Strategic Partnership with Vietnam is a major pillar,” he said.

Collaboration between India’s M/s Larsen & Toubro Company and Vietnamese Border Guard is highly anticipated for the construction of high-speed patrol boats based on the Line of Credit of US$100 million, according to the diplomat.

“We expect conclusion of many agreements and MOUs in important economic, social and strategic sectors including in the fields of science and technology, information technology, defense and security, health, and especially cooperation in traditional medicine systems in our two countries,” he continued.

Vietnamese public servants and students will also be granted 200 scholarships to support their studies and research in India, Harish added.

Regarding the disputes in the East Vietnam Sea, the ambassador stated that the maritime area played an important apart in India’s global trade.

Mumbai supports the freedom of navigation and overflight, and unimpeded commerce in the seaway in accordance with international law, especially the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), he asserted.

The South Asian country believed that relevant parties should settle their differences using peaceful measures and not to apply force or the threat of violence for the sake of regional peace and stability.

Addressing the prospects of defense and security ties between India and Vietnam, Harish said there had been strong cooperation between the two militaries, primarily navies and coast guard forces.

The diplomat mentioned the successful visit to Vietnam of Indian defense minister Manohar Parrikar in June under the invitation of his Vietnamese counterpart Ngo Xuan Lich.

Vessels from the Indian naval force have also made frequent visits to Vietnam’s seaports, he said, adding that the current naval ties will also be fostered during the Indian Prime Ministers’ visit.

http://tuoitrenews.vn/politics/3678...uild-highspeed-patrol-boats-in-100mn-contract

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/vietnam-...roval-for-brahmos.446458/page-4#ixzz4IuvqyW5X

This article is courtesy from @PARIKRAMA also known as the Hindu Oracle

 

[Farhan Bohra]

If China try to block SCS, the "alliance" immediately established
@gambit think that Japan, SK would automatically change to Trans Pacific route and abandon the sea lanes via SCS
It's not simple like that.

Japan's effort prove my argument. They increase the budget for that, give more to PH, VN, ID, MY ... against any new movement by China.

Investments of East Asia countries in South East Asia is increasing too. Those would be affected too.

Then @gambit still dont understood the real situation.

What about US, UK & France. What about Russia, what about India?

Why any power accept this that when submarine passing through they have to surface, there ships have to turnoff radars while passing through international water? There aircrafts have to turnoff radars and avionics?

No one. And no one going to bow down against this absurdity.

 

[Viet]

Old Times

Emperor Khải Định state visit to France, June 1922.

Emperor with his sons, Vinh Thuy (C) and Vinh Can (far right),

 

[hoangsa74]

And the result ? Losing the entire island chains with that "heroic deeds" of your while our under - equipped pioneer troops lose 1 island and keep pretty much everything else intact up to the current day. Who better perform in term of keeping our territory ? Shooting each other off and flee right to 7th fleets, guess what happen ? THEY DONT GIVE A FCK. Perfect example for alliance. We also has a taste of that in 1988 so not going to rely on that 1 more time.

Easy there mr. gangster political commissar. Let me educate you a bit. The RVN fired the first shot and killed 18 Chinese n sunk 2 boats. Unlike the like of u cummie who did not have the ball(s) to fire any shot at the enemy. You stood there as target practice for the Chinese to blow u away for good; that's comical to be the least. Let me remind u again that until this day, the viet military is too afraid to fire the first shot and they r not even allowed to do preempt strike.

Only those uneducated cummie like u would brag about how good u r at keeping your territory. Look at the map, the paracels island chain is much closer to china than the spratly is. By Dec 1972, the u.s was already out of the conflict of Vietnam. Had the RVN retaken the Paracels, they would have opened two fronts on themselves; one war with china and one war with u cummie. Without the economic and military support from the U.S, u r expecting the RVN to fight not one front but two fronts? Had the RVN only had to deal with one front (China), they would have retaken the Paracels. The loss of the paracels is SOLELY due to cummie like you.

Now look at the map on where the spratly is. The spratly is much further away from china than it is from Vietnam. By 1988, the Chinese did not have the capability to project their force that far other than ships. By 1988, the cummie already had su-22 fighter bomber; that plane could have blown any Chinese ships to pieces, but u cummie were too afraid of the Chinese to do it. That's the reason why the Chinese did not escalate n captured the rest of the reefs; they knew they were at the disadvantage in term of military and geography/proximity. You have been able to keep the spratly purely based on LUCK, because the spratly is much further away from china than the paracels is. Add that to the fact that you don't have to fight two front wars without any economic or military support like the RVN had to face.

Please give it a rest to the myth/fantasy that u r good at keeping your territory. You signed off half of the ban gioc waterfall, and the nam quan gate to the Chinese n u call that "good" at what? Selling off your territory in exchange for a few renmin bi.

 

[Silent Knight]

Fired the first shot, killed 18 Chinese sailors and sunk two boats, then the flagship fired a single 127mm round into the smallest ship - the only one that was engaging the Chinese vessels, thus disable its mobility and enabling the Chinese to sink it. Then, two biggest ships ran all the way to Philippines, while the third one limped back to base. Everyone on the two biggest ships received a "bravery" medal. And let's not forget the troops stationed on Paracel who surrendered without firing a shot. Then, 120 F-5s, read: ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY F-5 fighters were gathered in Da Nang to retaliate. But, the US said "no, you stay put", and no aircraft was ever flown to sink the remaining Chinese vessels. Thus, a lap dog was obeying its master word by word.

Meanwhile, the VPN naval engineers, not combat troops, defended themselves with AK and RPG against overwhelming Chinese forces. They were killed, but at least they didn't fire onto each others and brag about it later. Then, one squadron of Su-22M was mobilized to Phan Rang airbase and start patrolling the area, which enabling the VPN engineers to regain control of two nearby reefs.

5 garrisons on all Spratly Islands, and you boys gave away some to the Philippines and Taiwan. After 1975 till now, that number has raised to 21 islands and reefs, with 33 garrisons or 48 features under VPN control. So yeah, butthurt RVN resident is butthurt, but the truth is that the RVN was useless in keeping the territory on SCS. Maybe you'll do better in invading Cali then?

And to end a long post.

 

[hoangsa74]

Then, 120 F-5s, read: ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY F-5 fighters were gathered in Da Nang to retaliate. But, the US said "no, you stay put", and no aircraft was ever flown to sink the remaining Chinese vessels. Thus, a lap dog was obeying its master word by word.

Then by 1975 u had 120 f-5. Why didn't u recapture the paracels? I guess the lab dog did not dare to do anything to its master.

 

[Aqsuperman]

This guy reason is fcking hillarious lol. 120 F5 is what you have in that moment. What we have in 1975 is way less than that and only a quater can be made operational, dip shit. Aircraft parts dont fall out of the sky, Mr retarded RVN. You lost something then you are responsible to return it. I lend you my car then it got robbed, you have to get me my car back and not question why I wont come and fight the thief to get back MY property. Then made up assumption that i relate to the thief to get rid of any responsibility. Yea, sure. We "relate" to the thief and lost 1 land. Your innocent and brave troops lost the entire island chains then claim what we have is "luck". Thus is just another epic lol from an American - SVN bastard :v SVN fighting a 2 front war ? Pfff you call a battle a "whole new front" ? Then i guess we fight at least 5 front in 1988: China - VN border and sea, Cambodia - VN border and sea, Thailand - Cambodia. 5 fronts dip shit. We dont have gut to use our Su - 22 ? Then what da shiet do you concentrate your F-5 at Da Nang right after the battle for and not use it ? A show of force ? Or Richard Nixin sold your pathetic arse to China in 1972 and you just have to try to push the blame to the "communist" ???

The way you weasel out of a corner question by dodge it with another seem downright pathetic and coward. Typical result of an "alliance" that even the US disgust. How about a bit more bragging about Thailand army for people in here, plz ?

 

[hoangsa74]

This guy reason is fcking hillarious lol. 120 F5 is what you have in that moment. What we have in 1975 is way less than that and only a quater can be made operational, dip shit. Aircraft parts dont fall out of the sky, Mr retarded RVN. You lost something then you are responsible to return it. I lend you my car then it got robbed, you have to get me my car back and not question why I wont come and fight the thief to get back MY property. Then made up assumption that i relate to the thief to get rid of any responsibility. Yea, sure. We "relate" to the thief and lost 1 land. Your innocent and brave troops lost the entire island chains then claim what we have is "luck". Thus is just another epic lol from an American - SVN bastard :v SVN fighting a 2 front war ? Pfff you call a battle a "whole new front" ? Then i guess we fight at least 5 front in 1988: China - VN border and sea, Cambodia - VN border and sea, Thailand - Cambodia. 5 fronts dip shit. We dont have gut to use our Su - 22 ? Then what da shiet do you concentrate your F-5 at Da Nang right after the battle for and not use it ? A show of force ? Or Richard Nixin sold your pathetic arse to China in 1972 and you just have to try to push the blame to the "communist" ???

The way you weasel out of a corner question by dodge it with another seem downright pathetic and coward. Typical result of an "alliance" that even the US disgust. How about a bit more bragging about Thailand army for people in here, plz ?

Relax uneducated cumrade. This is an international forum. Not your typical vietnam classroom in which students n teachers exchange profanity at each other. Lol.
The paracels is easy to attack n retake but impossible to keep due to its proximity to china.even right now u can send a few vc special forces fighter to land on triton island n plant your flag on it but u can only stay there for a few hours before the chinese would rape u bdsm style. ohoh the spratly is much easier for the cummie to keep all these years due to its proximty much further away from China. I repeat again. The cummie able to keep the spartly due solely to luck. And yes thailand military can beat your cummie in any given day. Look at your dudes. U guys can't even dress right n stand straight. Those r terrible signs of an ill disciplined military

 

[Farhan Bohra]

If China try to block SCS, the "alliance" immediately established
@gambit think that Japan, SK would automatically change to Trans Pacific route and abandon the sea lanes via SCS
It's not simple like that.

Japan's effort prove my argument. They increase the budget for that, give more to PH, VN, ID, MY ... against any new movement by China.

Investments of East Asia countries in South East Asia is increasing too. Those would be affected too.

I only can say,
If purely based on history.

US is not some holier than thou. US not came to save Vietnam or protecting human rights. They never gave shit about "Nam" or about the people living in Vietnam. @gambit You seriously trying to portray US as some holier than thou. People need to accept US was serving self interest in height of cold war, when almost Berlin was invaded by USSR.

They saw things clearly, they had very few powers in asia allied with US, and most of them tilted toward USSR. Even all the big powers of asia. So they need Vietnam at any cost. Even there motto was clear "Stop Communism".

But I still say those were cold war days, and people now need to let it go.

 

[TenLua]

Relax uneducated cumrade. This is an international forum. Not your typical vietnam classroom in which students n teachers exchange profanity at each other. Lol.
The paracels is easy to attack n retake but impossible to keep due to its proximity to china.even right now u can send a few vc special forces fighter to land on triton island n plant your flag on it but u can only stay there for a few hours before the chinese would rape u bdsm style. ohoh the spratly is much easier for the cummie to keep all these years due to its proximty much further away from China. I repeat again. The cummie able to keep the spartly due solely to luck. And yes thailand military can beat your cummie in any given day. Look at your dudes. U guys can't even dress right n stand straight. Those r terrible signs of an ill disciplined military

Bro, why are you so angry?

 

[BoQ77]

I dont care what Vietnam cant do in the past. I care about what Vietnam can and must do now and in the future.

Hey @hoangsa74 do you join us if the clash broken?

 

[TenLua]

Old Times

Emperor Khải Định state visit to France, June 1922.

Emperor with his sons, Vinh Thuy (C) and Vinh Can (far right),

He weigh about 100 pound, maybe?

 

[Silent Knight]

I dont care what Vietnam cant do in the past. I care about what Vietnam can and must do now and in the future.

Hey @hoangsa74 do you join us if the clash broken?

I think not. He will bark about it's all "communist's fault" and "won't shed his blood for the communism".

Salty it is.

 

[BoQ77]

I think not. He will bark about it's all "communist's fault" and "won't shed his blood for the communism".

Salty it is.

I wish he continue his idea of F-35.
But in another thread, I saw him to praise for the loss of Vietnam.
So now I consider him as "Khua"

 

[hoangsa74]

Relax

I can tell you solutions, first Vietnam need 1500 KM OTHR-Backscatter for early warning including of detection of BM.

Second, they need to raise 2 regiments ( one regiment include 100 missiles )of BrahMos with 600 KM range.

Third, they need to upgrade SU to Super Sukhoi, and atleast 10 SU capable to carry BrahMos.

Fourth, induction of around 2-3 P-8, and induction of HALE UAV like Avenger or Global Hawk.

Thats all, I can assure you after this no one able to touch Spartly islands.

All of the solutions that you mentioned is like an ugly woman who puts on some makeup to make her look less uglier, it does not make her a pretty woman.

You need to understand the viet military doctrine. They are not allowed to shoot back at the Chinese no matter what. The viet already dig their own grave by not having the balls to do preempt strike.

If war breaks out, it is the Chinese who will do preempt strike. 72 Chinese jets and 9 bombers on their artificial islands will bombard the viet garrison to smithereen before the viet can react and launch any counter attack on the artificial islands' runways.

How can Vietnam relieve a Chinese naval blockade in the spratly? Vn has no solution. Vietnam only has 30 something sukhoi planes for anti-shipping mode to attack the Chinese navy. Those 30 something viet planes have no chance against the air defense destroyers, Chinese jets deployed on the spratlys and from the woody islands.

With the viet airforce is done, what is left is the viet navy comprised of missile boats and submarines; those assets are more of a laughing matter than their air force. viet navy's assets are sitting ducks ready to be hunted down by Chinese anti-ship missiles launched from jets and bombers. Their missile boats might as well stay home then go into battle. Same thing with their submarines. Those submarines have no chance against a Chinese armada of subhunters. Submarine warfare is one of the most sophisticated art of warfare and mind you the Chinese have been doing submarine training for years while the viet's experience with submarine have only been in the last few years. Please don't tell me the viet is at least on par with the Chinese in term of submarine warfare.

Meanwhile, the Chinese can bombard the viet garrison on the spratly by launching ballistic missiles and land attack cruise missiles. The spratly's real estate is extremely small; there is no where to hide. the viet garrison on the spratly either all die or surrender; no other option. Simply put, the viet military do not have the quantitative or qualitative edge over the Chinese. Not a single soul (except those die hard ho chi minh youths) believes the viet has a chance against the Chinese in a war over the spratly.