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[Viet]

Still AMX-11 is superior as it not only a Tank Destroyer but sub class of USS Enterprise of Star Trek, flown by Buzz Lightyear.

you should wait until sis mado comes claiming our army is weaker than thailand and cambodia, because the siamese have some handful better tanks and the khmer some better granate launchers

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Same story as with a recoiless gun such as the SPG-9T2 73mm, manual operation, no fire control, just aim and just, that does not kill any more because is old?

I have to keep repeating: Like I said before, millions of people in the reserves. There isn't enough hardware for everybody, so whatever its useful, gets kept. Simple as that. What is it about that that you don't understand?

Course I understand the need to equip the soldiers, but useful? seriously we're talking about a T-34 here! If you have a Tiger then maybe I can be a bit more lenient. Your long barrel fully upgraded T-55 at least might have some chance of surviving, but a T-34 is 100% guaranteed to be destroyed if you put them in a role you mentioned. You might have no qualms about sending good soldiers to die, but I do.

Like I said scrap the Tanks, grab the Guns. At least its a better uses for them.

 

[Carlosa]

Course I understand the need to equip the soldiers, but useful? seriously we're talking about a T-34 here! If you have a Tiger then maybe I can be a bit more lenient. Your long barrel fully upgraded T-55 at least might have some chance of surviving, but a T-34 is 100% guaranteed to be destroyed if you put them in a role you mentioned. You might have no qualms about sending good soldiers to die, but I do.

Like I said scrap the Tanks, grab the Guns. At least its a better uses for them.

ANYTHING that is useful is better than nothing. Simple as that, can't spend money to buy new equipment for the reserves, have to use what is available.

you should wait until sis mado comes claiming our army is weaker than thailand and cambodia, because the siamese have some handful better tanks and the khmer some better granate launchers

Sis mado got blasted pretty bad here the other day. She is not coming back anytime soon and if she happens to come, she'll have to behave like a very good girl as the mod already warned her.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

ANYTHING that is useful is better than nothing. Simple as that, can't spend money to buy new equipment for the reserves, have to use what is available.

I thought we already established that I understand your country's concern. I just don't agree with keeping an outdated relic like the T-34 when your country can sell them for double the price to a collector and uses that money for ATGM, Howitzers or something which are more useful in an ambush role. Take note from Hezbollah they managed to halt Israeli's armored column despite being far more inferior to the IDF.

So to be clear we managed to clear out that I understand your reasoning to find a way to equipped your soldiers & we at least agree that the T-34 is "crap" with very limited uses & a waste of space at that.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

I thought we already established that I understand your country's concern. I just don't agree with keeping an outdated relic like the T-34 when your country can sell them for double the price to a collector and uses that money for ATGM, Howitzers or something which are more useful in an ambush role. Take note from Hezbollah they managed to halt Israeli's armored column despite being far more inferior to the IDF.

So to be clear we managed to clear out that I understand your reasoning to find a way to equipped your soldiers & we at least agree that the T-34 is "crap" with very limited uses & a waste of space at that.

I even dont understand why "shit" AMX-13 are in Indonesian service? While around the Indonesia everyone retired tanks from 50s and added them in war reserves? Why not sell them to France and buy some MILAN ATGM?

Also Hezbollah never able to stop Israeli armors. IDF achieved objectives what they asked for.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

I even dont understand why "shit" AMX-13 are in Indonesian service? While around the Indonesia everyone retired tanks from 50s and added them in war reserves? Why not sell them to France and buy some MILAN ATGM?

Also Hezbollah never able to stop Israeli armors. IDF achieved objectives what they asked for.

You're comparing apple to orange. Vietnam strategos revolves around defensive & Asymmetric Warfare. While Indonesian strategy revolves around offense & mobility. Also funny you asked http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/indonesia-javelin-missiles

So did Hezbollah claim to achieved their objective. It didn't stop them from causing more material damages on the IDF side. For a group without an Army, Navy or an Air Force that's quite the accomplishment. Credit should be given where credits are due.

 

[Nilgiri]

Last 4 - 5 pages of T-34 talk

Plenty of countries keep legacy tanks in reserves to use as cheap protection for logistics (i.e like a heavy mortar/grenade launcher rather than to use for maneuvering/armour).

India's T-55s are mostly for this role along with the ones that have been converted for engineering purposes (dozing, bridge laying, mine clearing etc).

Let us talk about what Vietnam chances are for getting T-90 MS etc...

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Last 4 - 5 pages of T-34 talk

Plenty of countries keep legacy tanks in reserves to use as cheap protection for logistics (i.e like a heavy mortar/grenade launcher rather than to use for maneuvering/armour).

India's T-55s are mostly for this role along with the ones that have been converted for engineering purposes (dozing, bridge laying, mine clearing etc).

Let us talk about what Vietnam chances are for getting T-90 MS etc...

fair enough. I already prove my points.

I do hope the T-90 deals not a bust though.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

You're comparing apple to orange. Vietnam strategos revolves around defensive & Asymmetric Warfare. While Indonesian strategy revolves around offense & mobility. Also funny you asked http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/indonesia-javelin-missiles

So did Hezbollah claim to achieved their objective. It didn't stop them from causing more material damages on the IDF side. For a group without an Army, Navy or an Air Force that's quite the accomplishment. Credit should be given where credits are due.

Oh seriously offensive strategy? Like against where China or India? Lolz.

 

[Viet]

Vietnam conducts test runs for two more ‘Lightning’ warships
By Toan Dao
August 26, 2016 | 06:00 am GMT+7

One of the two new warships. Photo courtesy of People's Army Newspaper


They have the power to destroy warships and protect submarines.

The Ba Son Shipyard under Vietnam’s Ministry of National Defense is carrying out trial runs to prepare for formal handover of two more fast-attack missile ships to the Navy.

The four-day test runs of the M5 and M6 vessels at sea are wrapping up on Friday following the successful trial operations at the dock, the government portal reported Thursday.

The two vessels were launched in April this year.

Vietnam received the first two Russian-made ships of Molniya class in 2007 and 2008. Under a technology transfer agreement signed by Vietnam and Russia in 2009, the latter agreed that six more will be built and assembled under license in Ba Son shipyard. So far four have been handed over to the Navy and M5 and M6 are the fifth and sixth.

The vessels are designed to destroy warships, amphibious vessels, corvettes, and other enemy targets. They are able to help protect submarines and amphibious ships, and perform reconnaissance missions at sea.

Russia has already handed over five out of the total six submarines to Vietnam. The last one is expected to be delivered at the end of this year.


The two corvettes are equipped with advanced weapons and functions. They are able to operate at sea for 10 straight days and can attack targets both in the air and at sea.

Apart from a modern radar system for tracking targets, each of the vessels is also equipped with 16 sea-to-sea Uran-E missiles arranged into four modules for launch on each side with a range of 130 km.

The other weapons installed in each vessel include two AK-630 ship-borne artillery systems with 4,000 shells each, which can fire at targets at a range of 4-5 km, and an AK-176M automatic gun with a range of 15 km for sea and land targets and 11 km for air targets.

 

[Carlosa]

fair enough. I already prove my points..

The only thing that you have proven is that you are a time waster.

 

[BoQ77]

Course I understand the need to equip the soldiers, but useful? seriously we're talking about a T-34 here! If you have a Tiger then maybe I can be a bit more lenient. Your long barrel fully upgraded T-55 at least might have some chance of surviving, but a T-34 is 100% guaranteed to be destroyed if you put them in a role you mentioned. You might have no qualms about sending good soldiers to die, but I do.

Like I said scrap the Tanks, grab the Guns. At least its a better uses for them.

1. When Vietnam deploy active T-54/T55 to somewhere in doubt of a potential war, T-34 could be used to train new fresh crews.Or they will be trained in a Toyota as of a tank ?

As Carlosa mentioned, some first T-34 deployed to Spratly would be rusty fast, so they only use their turrets put onto concret bunker. That means T-34 could be used as test bed for new usage, the platform to mount SAM, MANPADS or anything need mobility and armor.
Why we don't use that but pay huge money to buy new one?

Some still used in training

2. T-34 tanks used to defeat Nazi, so against any enemy that armed poorer than Nazi, then T-34 could crush them. For example, in case there's protest turn to violence.

You could never know when your military manufacturing facilites ruined by bombs.
You would love even a single steel pipe you have.

Syria

 

[Carlosa]

Latest plans to do reclamation on Namyit island, Spratlys:

 

[Silent Knight]

I would like to see how "modern" IFV and APC, like BMP-2/3 and/or Bradley.. etc.. survive against a well-placed pre-aimed 85mm round from a concealed T-34.

Period.

Edit: I think people would prefer to stay inside a tank with 85mm gun, rather than staying outside against enemy armored vehicles with a 7.62mm assault rifle.

 

[Nike]

i would like to see how far T34 and Su 100 of Vn army can managed to survive after being hit with cheap RPG, let alone the more modern RPG29 or NLAW

Still AMX-13 is superior as it not only a Tank Destroyer but sub class of USS Enterprise of Star Trek, flown by Buzz Lightyear.

oh sure it is an excellent tank destroyer

this thin little can had proved their value against the supposed superior T54/55 in Six day War