Vietnam Defence Forum

[Reashot Xigwin]

Talking about the T-90 would be more interesting, but talking about why Vietnam wants to keep T-34s in storage is a waste of time.

By the way, have anything to say about the value of a camouflaged T-34 in combat? 2 people already mentioned that.

Valid Criticism nonetheless.

An Anti-Tank Gun would do the job even better because it can actually hide even better. Once again you need to be reminded that this is 2016.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Anything past 30 are slowly being replaced. Unless they cannot upgrade it anymore as per procedure. An AMX still have its uses as a tank destroyer & howitzer. Like I said earlier its not about them keeping what's what, but about them actually feeling proud by keeping a relic in service. Wasting storage spaces & resources of all thing.

Also I want you to back up a bit & think 4 a second. You are essentially supporting keeping outdated equipment that are way past its expiration date. We're talking about WW2 era weapons here not cold war.

I'm not telling the vietnamese on what to do this is my opinion on the wastefulness of keeping an outdated equipments.

So you changing the topic as you know shit about war reserves. Do you?

Or you even dont know Indonesia hold what in war reserves? I can tell you those are even pathetic than T-34 (if you dont know about your own armed forces).

 

[Viet]

So talking about a T-34 in goddamn 2016 is not valid criticism. I do wonder what makes a valid criticism according to you?

How about the monkey model T-90 that Vietnam will buy seems apropos if we talking about the subject of tanks.

you still don´t get it. we win wars against our enemies as China, Mongol, Manchu, France, America, Siam, Champa, Cambodia, despite our enemies getting supports from other armies as Australia, Korea, Germany, Thailand because our IQ is "higher" (well, I´m really not sure nor convinced about it) not because of our tanks and airplanes. xyz models.


http://www.unz.com/akarlin/genetics-iq-and-convergence/


"Regardless, short of them embarking on some new Maoist adventure, or getting flooded off the world map by runaway global warming, or getting nuked, or some other similarly apocalyptic scenario, China’s and Vietnam’s convergence to at least Japan’s level is all but certain in the long run."

Anatoly Karlin

 

[Farhan Bohra]

An AMX still have its uses as a tank destroyer & howitzer.

Are you serious? Tank destroyer?

Which ATGM they are equipped with? Ever you seen images of modern tank destroyers? Let me do a favor to you, and show you how modern tank destroyer look like.

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[Carlosa]

Valid Criticism nonetheless.

An Anti-Tank Gun would do the job even better because it can actually hide even better. Once again you need to be reminded that this is 2016.

Like I said before, millions of people in the reserves. There isn't enough hardware for everybody, so whatever its useful, gets kept. Simple as that. What is it about that that you don't understand?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

So you changing the topic as you know shit about war reserves. Do you?

Or you even dont know Indonesia hold what in war reserves? I can tell you those are even pathetic than T-34 (if you dont know about your own armed forces).

You aIso know shit about service life. Any layman would point out about the Anachronism of keeping a T-34.

Also didn't realize we still keep ww2 Japanese tanks in our inventory do please elaborate. I do love a civil discourse.

Are you serious? Tank destroyer?

Which ATGM they are equipped with? Ever you seen images of modern tank destroyers? Let me do a favor to you, and show you how modern tank destroyer look like.

A "light" Anti-Tank Destroyer & as Howitzer. So far a T-34 is useless in both regards.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

You aIso know shit about service life. Any layman would point out about the Anachronism of keeping a T-34.

And you know shit about war reserves.

Also didn't realize we still keep ww2 Japanese tanks in our inventory do please elaborate. I do love a civil discourse.

Why I tell you. I am a citizen of Indonesia, or you? Do your own research before banging your head.

 

[Viet]

new recuits. training matters.

 

[Carlosa]

A "light" Anti-Tank Destroyer & as Howitzer. So far a T-34 is useless in both regards.

Do the words "infantry support" mean anything to you? "Camouflaged gun" "76mm gun", "45mm armor protection"?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Like I said before, millions of people in the reserves. There isn't enough hardware for everybody, so whatever its useful, gets kept. Simple as that. What is it about that that you don't understand?

Scrap the tanks for cash & take the guns. Problem solved. I just solved your soldiers equipment problem.

If you thinking about facing China a tank like the T-34 should be the last thing you need. You need to focus more on asymmetrical warfare. Using your soldiers as cannon fodder in an obsolete tanks is not the best way to engage China.

Do the words "infantry support" mean anything to you? "Camouflaged gun" "76mm gun", "45mm armor protection"?

Do RPG means nothing you? T-34 is close combat tank while the AMX can snipe any target from a longer distance.

 

[Carlosa]

Scrap the tanks for cash & take the guns. Problem solved. I just solved your soldiers equipment problem.

If you thinking about facing China a tank like the T-34 should be the last thing you need. You need to focus more on asymmetrical warfare. Using your soldiers as cannon fodder in an obsolete tanks is not the best way to engage China.

What problem solved when there is actually no problem? You are the one that has a problem. I think you need to sleep, you are making no sense at all.

Scrap the tanks for cash & take the guns. Problem solved. I just solved your soldiers equipment problem.

If you thinking about facing China a tank like the T-34 should be the last thing you need. You need to focus more on asymmetrical warfare. Using your soldiers as cannon fodder in an obsolete tanks is not the best way to engage China.



Do RPG means nothing you? T-34 is close combat tank while the AMX can snipe any target from a longer distance.

Camouflaged 76mm gun means nothing to you? What is your problem? Why you like to dismiss something just because is old even that is kept in perfect working order?

That 76mm gun doesn't kill because is old?

 

[Viet]

You aIso know shit about service life. Any layman would point out about the Anachronism of keeping a T-34.

Also didn't realize we still keep ww2 Japanese tanks in our inventory do please elaborate. I do love a civil discourse.




A "light" Anti-Tank Destroyer & as Howitzer. So far a T-34 is useless in both regards.

so what about T54/55 tanks? should we also send all to museum and we voluntarily surrender to the chinese?

 

[Farhan Bohra]

so what about T54/55 tanks? should we also send all to museum and we voluntarily surrender to the chinese?

Still AMX-13 is superior as it not only a Tank Destroyer but sub class of USS Enterprise of Star Trek, flown by Buzz Lightyear.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

What problem solved when there is actually no problem? You are the one that has a problem. I think you need to sleep, you are making no sense at all.



Camouflaged 76mm gun means nothing to you? What is your problem? Why you like to dismiss something just because is old even that is kept in perfect working order?

That 76mm gun doesn't kill because is old?

You make it seems that barrel size is the only thing that matters in a tank. Fire control system, Suspension, Sights the works that what makes a tank. Even if the T-34 managed to be an effective ambusher, but due to its short barrel once its fire its gun that means the enemy (Assuming it is China) will notice it and destroy it immediately. That's why I suggest that the gun should be taken out of the tanks to make it easier for the crew to disembark.

I guess you can opt for a barrel change, but it will just be a waste of money when your much newer tank can used the extra fire powers.

 

[Carlosa]

You make it seems that barrel size is the only thing that matters in a tank. Fire control system, Suspension, Sights the works that what makes a tank. Even if the T-34 managed to be an effective ambusher, but due to its short barrel once its fire its gun that means the enemy (Assuming it is China) will notice it and destroy it immediately. That's why I suggest that the gun should be taken out of the tanks to make it easier for the crew to disembark.

I guess you can opt for a barrel change, but it will just be a waste of money when your much newer tank can used the extra fire powers.

Same story as with a recoiless gun such as the SPG-9T2 73mm, manual operation, no fire control, just aim and shoot, that does not kill any more because is old? This is shooting at short range, hello?

I have to keep repeating: Like I said before, millions of people in the reserves. There isn't enough hardware for everybody, so whatever its useful, gets kept. Simple as that. What is it about that that you don't understand?