Vietnam Defence Forum

[BoQ77]

What if China respect Vietnam EEZ and request NEGO in water near Paracel and at mouth of Tonkin Gulf ?

 

[Carlosa]

What if China respect Vietnam EEZ and request NEGO in water near Paracel and at mouth of Tonkin Gulf ?

What is NEGO?

 

[gambit]

What if China respect Vietnam EEZ and request NEGO in water near Paracel and at mouth of Tonkin Gulf ?

China gains nothing in doing so. Negotiation with one, you will have to negotiate with all. If the terms are agreed to by one, others will demand at least the same terms. All these attempts by China to negotiate with individual countries are nothing but decoy issues.

China: How about Viet Nam agree that the South China Sea belongs to China, in return, China promise to respect Viet Nam's EEZ ?

Viet Nam: Deal...!!!

Let me put it this way: If I control the street, why should I respect your doorway ?

A promise/deal/contract is only as good as the ability to get justice if that promise/deal/contract is broken. What can the UN do for Viet Nam if China breaks that contract between the two of you ? China is a permanent member of the Security Council. China can spin the story on why she broke that contract and pay enough countries, most of them Third World, on why China is in the right.

Asians should get it thru their heads that China DO NOT have any good will towards them.

 

[BoQ77]

Actually, Vietnam have agreed boundaries with Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, and they made clear which is overlapped which is for exploring together. That's results after negotiation.
And yes, China would agree to that or not,

Between, China and Vietnam there's an agreed line in Gulf Tonkin,
there's no extension of that line, because the extension would break into dashed line.

But we could see that the dashed line term is fading. That's why I assume that Vietnam would make some steps to tell the world that Vietnam would do everything to protect their EEZ.
For example, explore offshore of Phu Yen, Vung Tau ... and ready to record evidence of any interference of China ships to exploring ships. and ready to submit that to the international court. based on the statement of PCA about China dashed line.

China nearly has no occupied reef within Vietnam EEZ

 

[Carlosa]

China gains nothing in doing so. Negotiation with one, you will have to negotiate with all. If the terms are agreed to by one, others will demand at least the same terms. All these attempts by China to negotiate with individual countries are nothing but decoy issues.

China: How about Viet Nam agree that the South China Sea belongs to China, in return, China promise to respect Viet Nam's EEZ ?

Viet Nam: Deal...!!!

Let me put it this way: If I control the street, why should I respect your doorway ?

A promise/deal/contract is only as good as the ability to get justice if that promise/deal/contract is broken. What can the UN do for Viet Nam if China breaks that contract between the two of you ? China is a permanent member of the Security Council. China can spin the story on why she broke that contract and pay enough countries, most of them Third World, on why China is in the right.

Asians should get it thru their heads that China DO NOT have any good will towards them.

China does not believe in the concept of a win win deal. They only believe in they win, you lose, simple as that and by the way, any deal with China is not worth the paper that is written on. They will violate any deal at the time when it is convenient to them, that's their record.

In their local area, east asia, china sees other countries as either enemies or client states, nothing else.

 

[Viet]

China does not believe in the concept of a win win deal. They only believe in they win, you lose, simple as that and by the way, any deal with China is not worth the paper that is written on. They will violate any deal at the time when it is convenient to them, that's their record.

In their local area, east asia, china sees other countries as either enemies or client states, nothing else.

I believe we should go back to the past, learning a lesson or two from the later Lê dynasty, one of the greatest and longest lasting dynasty of traditional Vietnam, 360 years from 1428 to 1788, how to deal with China. during a period of 360 years, the Chinese refrained from any confrontation with Vietnam. Incredible.

traditional music at imperial court

 

[Farhan Bohra]

The only meaningful alliance that can make an actual difference is with USA, assuming that USA is willing to step in and help Vietnam which is something that remains to be seen.
Philippines doesn't have anything, so its mainly symbolic.
Malaysia is still dreaming about leveraging their "special relationship" with China.
Indonesia is trying to stay neutral although that can change in the future.
Russia is not getting involved.
Japan and India can offer support in many ways, but they are not going to get directly involved.
So in the end, when it comes to a real alliance, its only USA, if they wish.
India is a possible second option if they decide to get more involved like with basin ships in Cam Ranh, etc.

That only happen when Indian Navy's SSN become operational, and India able to deploy Eastern Command's CBG yearly in SCS. And some permanent deployment in SCS.

But I can tell you ,,, that's still a decade away.

China gains nothing in doing so. Negotiation with one, you will have to negotiate with all. If the terms are agreed to by one, others will demand at least the same terms. All these attempts by China to negotiate with individual countries are nothing but decoy issues.

China: How about Viet Nam agree that the South China Sea belongs to China, in return, China promise to respect Viet Nam's EEZ ?

Viet Nam: Deal...!!!

Firstly, Vietnam never do so. Those are international water and international SLOC. And no country in right mind ever accept this.

For sake of argument, lets presume Vietnam say whole SCS is Chinese. It destroy Vietnam's relation with every party, from Korea to India ,to Japan ,to US. And in the end, Vietnam will be violating UNCLOS.

In no way anyone going to accept outrageous 9 Dash line.

 

[Boss Dragun]

Indonesia, Vietnam forge defense cooperation

http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/106171/indonesia-vietnam-forge-defense-cooperation

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu has expressed his countrys wish to enhance friendship relations and cooperation with Vietnam at a meeting with his Vietnamese counterpart General Ngo Xuan Lich.

Defense Minister Ryamizard arrived in Vietnam on Sunday for a three-day visit, the Indonesian Embassy in Hanoi said in a press statement released on Tuesday.

During the meeting, Ryamizard was accompanied by several Defense Ministry officials and Indonesian Ambassador to Vietnam Ibnu Hadi.

While in Vietnam, Ryamizard also paid a courtesy call on Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang.

General Lich said Vietnam always considered relations with the Indonesian military and people important and is looking forward to forging traditional relations between the two countries for the benefit of common interests and peace.

At the meeting the two ministers discussed a wide range of issues of common concern at regional and international levels and described as "positive" the existing defense and security cooperation between the two countries, particularly with regard to the implementation of Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on enhancing cooperation between defense officials of the two neighboring countries signed in 2010.

Both sides have agreed to continue the positive development by emphasizing exchange of delegations, conduct joint exercise, to form a mechanism of dialogs to discuss defense policies, continue the joint working group, create hotline communication between the two defense ministries.

 

[UMNOPutra]

It looks that you are ready "head to head" to fight with PRC to protect and secure your right ...
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Vietnam moves rocket launchers into its South China Sea islands - capable of striking Beijing's controversial new military installations in the disputed region

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-launchers-disputed-S-China-Sea-sources.html

 

[BoQ77]

It looks that you are ready "head to head" to fight with PRC to protect and secure your right ...
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-launchers-disputed-S-China-Sea-sources.html

YEAH as you know, before land reclamation, they are some bunkers put on submerged reefs.

And Vietnam has plenty sites for deploying heavy artillery as we have more than 30 sites in Spratlys.

 

[Silent Knight]

Unconfirmed reports claimed Vietnam would buy 200 T-90MS main battle tanks, along with several more T-72B3s (upgraded and/or newly purchase). The truth has yet to be revealed, however, a picture has circulated online earlier today.

 

[MacanJawa]

T-72B3 more reasonable for vietnam, because cheap than t-90 and its T-72B with kontak-5 era and T-90 electronic

 

[Carlosa]

T-72B3 more reasonable for vietnam, because cheap than t-90 and its T-72B with kontak-5 era and T-90 electronic

Yes, T-72B3 is roughly equivalent to the T-090A. The Russians just came out with the improved version of it also, T-72B3M.

 

[Viet]

That only happen when Indian Navy's SSN become operational, and India able to deploy Eastern Command's CBG yearly in SCS. And some permanent deployment in SCS.

But I can tell you ,,, that's still a decade away.


Firstly, Vietnam never do so. Those are international water and international SLOC. And no country in right mind ever accept this.

For sake of argument, lets presume Vietnam say whole SCS is Chinese. It destroy Vietnam's relation with every party, from Korea to India ,to Japan ,to US. And in the end, Vietnam will be violating UNCLOS.

In no way anyone going to accept outrageous 9 Dash line.

we will never accept chinese taking control of the south china sea, letting them controlling the fate of our country as well as others in the region. nor will we ever accept chinese military hegemony in east and southeast asia. you can take my words as granted. we have seen major powers coming and going since thousands of years. we want peace and prosperity. we won´t seek confrontation with others. if anyone seeks confrontation, he gets it.

Unconfirmed reports claimed Vietnam would buy 200 T-90MS main battle tanks, along with several more T-72B3s (upgraded and/or newly purchase). The truth has yet to be revealed, however, a picture has circulated online earlier today.

interesting and the best picture till now, especially with the sticker "comcom" on the turret. ha ha ha.

but if comparing to other pictures of T90MS, it is not exactly as it should be.

 

[Carlosa]

Unconfirmed reports claimed Vietnam would buy 200 T-90MS main battle tanks, along with several more T-72B3s (upgraded and/or newly purchase). The truth has yet to be revealed, however, a picture has circulated online earlier today.

The tank in the picture is a T-72B3, interesting.......

we will never accept chinese taking control of the south china sea, letting them controlling the fate of our country as well as others in the region. nor will we ever accept chinese military hegemony in east and southeast asia. you can take my words as granted. we have seen major powers coming and going since thousands of years. we want peace and prosperity. we won´t seek confrontation with others. if anyone seeks confrontation, he gets it.


interesting and the best picture till now, especially with the sticker "comcom" on the turret. ha ha ha.

but if comparing to other pictures of T90MS, it is not exactly as it should be.

Its a T-72B3, the space between the amor plates is what gives you the clue.