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For defense of islands every cannon matters.

T-34 with 85 mm main cannon


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Bell Helicopter completes 412EPI demo tour in Vietnam
By Terry SpruceJuly 29, 2016 10:42


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Bell Helicopter has completed a demo tour with the Bell 412EPI in Vietnam. The demo was organised with the support of the Vietnam Helicopter Corporation (VNH).

“Bell Helicopter continues to pursue growing opportunities in the Vietnamese market, and we see potential for our modern, multi-mission capable aircraft in this region.”

Sameer Rehman, Bell Helicopter’s managing director of Asia Pacific said: “Bell Helicopter continues to pursue growing opportunities in the Vietnamese market, and we see potential for our modern, multi-mission capable aircraft in this region. Bell Helicopter intends to be an important part of the US and Vietnam relationship and we were very pleased to strengthen our cooperation with VNH and demonstrate the operational versatility of the Bell 412EPI.”
 
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A mini surveillance UAV

Type VB-01, digital camera 600 TVL 12x zoom, max altitude 3,500 m, top speed 120 kmh, operating radius 20 km, max endurance 90 minutes.


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Domestic weapon factory Z111 is ready to make the next generation of Galil rifles 31/32. A powerful Galil machine gun: Galil-N. Apparently we have bought the license of Galil-N from Israel too, after acquiring the license for Galil-31/32.


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Looks like another one got new paint job, aside from the 6004.

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I would prefer a more aggressive color than just that peaceful blue, so gray in dark green :D

have you heard anything when the airforce will get new flying asset?
 
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I would prefer a more aggressive color than just that peaceful blue, so gray in dark green :D

have you heard anything when the airforce will get new flying asset?
We love peace, why would you choose aggressive paint scheme? :p::p:

VPAF is likely to get new toys in 2017.
 
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'Give them a bloody nose': Xi pressed for stronger South China Sea response


August 1, 2016

https://www.yahoo.com/news/them-bloody-nose-xi-pressed-stronger-south-china-232358640.html
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People watch a TV news broadcast about the South China Sea outside a shopping mall in Beijing, China July 16, 2016. CHINA REUTERS/Thomas Peter/File Photo
By Ben Blanchard and Benjamin Kang Lim

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's leadership is resisting pressure from elements within the military for a more forceful response to an international court ruling against Beijing's claims in the South China Sea, sources said, wary of provoking a clash with the United States.

China refused to participate in the case overseen by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

It denounced the emphatic July 12 ruling in favor of the Philippines as a farce that had no legal basis and part of an anti-China plot cooked up in Washington.

The ruling has been followed in China by a wave of nationalist sentiment, scattered protests and strongly worded editorials in state media.

So far, Beijing has not shown any sign of wanting to take stronger action. Instead, it has called for a peaceful resolution through talks at the same time as promising to defend Chinese territory.

But some elements within China's increasingly confident military are pushing for a stronger - potentially armed - response aimed at the United States and its regional allies, according to interviews with four sources with close military and leadership ties.

"The People's Liberation Army is ready," one source with ties to the military told Reuters.

"We should go in and give them a bloody nose like Deng Xiaoping did to Vietnam in 1979," the source said, referring to China's brief invasion of Vietnam to punish Hanoi for forcing Beijing's ally the Khmer Rouge from power in Cambodia.

The sources requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

President Xi Jinping has assiduously courted and thoroughly cemented his leadership over the PLA and faces no serious challenges to his command.

While he is overseeing sweeping military reforms to improve the PLA's ability to win wars, he has said China needs a stable external environment as it deals with its own development issues, including a slowing economy. And few people expect any significant move ahead of Xi's hosting of a G20 summit in September.

But the hardened response to The Hague ruling from some elements of the military increases the risk that any provocative or inadvertent incidents in the South China Sea could escalate into a more serious clash.

MILITARY "HARDENED"

Another source with ties to the leadership described the mood in the PLA as hawkish.

"The United States will do what it has to do. We will do what we have to do," the source said. "The entire military side has been hardened. It was a huge loss of face," he said, declining further comment.

Chinese Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun, asked whether the PLA was pushing for a stronger response, repeated that the armed forces would resolutely defend China's territory and maritime rights, and peace and stability, while dealing with any threats or challenges.

Retired military officers and army-linked academics have pushed home a strongly martial message.

"The Chinese military will step up and fight hard and China will never submit to any country on matters of sovereignty," Liang Fang, a professor at the military-run National Defence University, wrote on his Weibo microblog about the ruling.

It is not clear exactly what steps military hardliners are considering.

Much attention has been focused around the potential establishment of an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) for the South China Sea, which would require international aircraft to identify themselves to Chinese authorities.

Other options floated by those linked to the PLA include putting missiles on bombers patrolling the South China Sea capable of hitting targets in the Philippines or Vietnam.

Yue Gang, a retired colonel, said China's announcement promising regular air patrols over the region showed it was seeking to deny the U.S. air superiority afforded by aircraft carriers. China should be confident enough to provoke an incident and drive the U.S. out, he added.

"China is not intimidated by U.S. carriers and is brave enough to touch off an inadvertent confrontation," Yue wrote on his Weibo account.

China's military build-up in the region looks set to quicken regardless of any action.

"We must make preparations for a long-term fight and take this as a turning point in our South China Sea military strategy," Li Jinming of the South China Sea Institute at China's Xiamen University wrote in the Chinese academic journal Southeast Asian Studies.


WARY OF CLASH

Despite the saber rattling, there have been no firm military moves that could cause an escalation of tensions. Diplomats and sources said the Chinese leadership was well aware of the dangers of a clash.

"They're on the back foot. They're very worried by the international reaction," said one senior Beijing-based diplomat, citing conversations with Chinese officials.

"They are genuine about wanting to get talks back on track. The leadership will have to think long and hard about where to go next."

Within China's armed forces there is a recognition that China would come off worst in a face-off with the United States.

"Our navy cannot take on the Americans. We do not have that level of technology yet. The only people who would suffer would be ordinary Chinese," said the source with ties to the military.

Those voices appeared to have the upper hand for now, the source said, pointing to a realization that the 1979 border war with Vietnam did not go as well for China as the propaganda machine would like people to believe.

Even setting up an ADIZ, like the one Beijing set up over the East China Sea in 2013 to anger from the United States, Japan and others, would be difficult to enforce given the distance from the mainland.

China has repeatedly said it has the right to set up an ADIZ but that the decision depends on the level of threat it faces.

A second source with leadership ties put it bluntly: "War is unlikely".

"But we will continue to conduct military exercises," the source said. "(We) expect U.S. naval vessels to continue to come," and "miscalculation cannot be ruled out".

Foreign Minister Wang Yi has stressed the importance of dialogue, saying it now was the time to return things to the "right track" and to "turn the page" on the ruling.

The United States has responded positively to these overtures, sending U.S. National Security Adviser Susan Rice to China this week with a call for calm.

Washington is also using quiet diplomacy to persuade other regional players not to move aggressively to capitalize on the ruling.

China has been angered by U.S. freedom of navigation patrols in the South China Sea, but its forces have responded only by shadowing U.S. vessels and warning them, showing China's unwillingness to goad the U.S. military unnecessarily, according to Western and Asian diplomats.

China is also wary of any incident overshadowing the G20 summit in Hangzhou in September, the highlight of this year's diplomatic calendar for Xi when he will be host to the leaders of most of the world’s economically most powerful countries, the sources said.

The Beijing-based diplomat said it was more likely China would choose the period between the end of the G20 and the U.S. presidential election in November to make any move.

"But that is a misjudgment if China thinks the United States will just sit back and do nothing," the diplomat said.

(Editing by Lincoln Feast)
 
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Vietnam has an eye on the sky with new radar station
By Toan Dao
August 1, 2016 | 10:16 am GMT+7


The second radar station on Son Tra Island, Da Nang. Photo courtesy of Vietnam Government Portal


The new station will enhance the country's ability to track aircraft in its air space.



Vietnam Air Traffic Management Corp. formally fired up a second radar station in the central city of Da Nang on Sunday in an effort to boost surveillance and protect the country’s sovereignty.

Vietnam already has a military surveillance radar station on Son Tra Island, dubbed the “Indochina Magical Eye”, which covers hundreds of kilometers of the South China Sea, known in Vietnam as the East Sea.

A radar data processing system was also put into operation at a flight management center in Da Nang the same day, the government portal said in a statement.

The secondary surveillance system on Son Tra, an island off Da Nang, covers a radius of 450km, while the primary radar system can detect objects at a range of 150 km.

The secondary system detects and measures the position of an aircraft, such as range and bearing, and requests additional information from the aircraft itself such as its identity and altitude. Meanwhile, the primary system only measures the range and bearing of targets by detecting reflected radio signals.


Air traffic control centers in Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City and Da Nang have been integrated to receive and process data from the new radar station on Son Tra and other radar stations in the central region to enhance the management of aircraft traveling to and from Vietnamese air space.

The new radar station on Son Tra also supports air traffic management at airports in Hue and Quang Nam provinces, the statement said.

The radar station and processing system were supplied by Spanish IT and defense systems company Indra Sistermas.




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By Viet

Can't post picture of the new second surveillance 450 km long range radar. Will try later, but I got picture of the first 150 km medium range surveillance radar on Son Tra.








Ok That is the second radar
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"TianQing-2016" Sino-Vietnam border anti-terror exercise

7月28日,演练现场边防官兵围剿逃窜到中越边境的“恐怖分子”。当日,在中越边境天保口岸,中国云南省文山州公安边防支队、天保边防检查站与越南河江省边防部队在中越“天保—清水”口岸及其附近区域举行了中越“天清—2016”联合反恐演练。旨在应对当前世界恐怖主义活动日趋严峻的形式,为中越边境打击恐怖主义活动的合作建立了新的应急机制,使双方联合打击恐怖主义的沟通渠道更为畅通。 中新社记者 李进红 摄

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Vietnam has an eye on the sky with new radar station
By Toan Dao
August 1, 2016 | 10:16 am GMT+7


The second radar station on Son Tra Island, Da Nang. Photo courtesy of Vietnam Government Portal


The new station will enhance the country's ability to track aircraft in its air space.



Vietnam Air Traffic Management Corp. formally fired up a second radar station in the central city of Da Nang on Sunday in an effort to boost surveillance and protect the country’s sovereignty.

Vietnam already has a military surveillance radar station on Son Tra Island, dubbed the “Indochina Magical Eye”, which covers hundreds of kilometers of the South China Sea, known in Vietnam as the East Sea.

A radar data processing system was also put into operation at a flight management center in Da Nang the same day, the government portal said in a statement.

The secondary surveillance system on Son Tra, an island off Da Nang, covers a radius of 450km, while the primary radar system can detect objects at a range of 150 km.

The secondary system detects and measures the position of an aircraft, such as range and bearing, and requests additional information from the aircraft itself such as its identity and altitude. Meanwhile, the primary system only measures the range and bearing of targets by detecting reflected radio signals.


Air traffic control centers in Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City and Da Nang have been integrated to receive and process data from the new radar station on Son Tra and other radar stations in the central region to enhance the management of aircraft traveling to and from Vietnamese air space.

The new radar station on Son Tra also supports air traffic management at airports in Hue and Quang Nam provinces, the statement said.

The radar station and processing system were supplied by Spanish IT and defense systems company Indra Sistermas.




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By Viet

Can't post picture of the new second surveillance 450 km long range radar. Will try later, but I got picture of the first 150 km medium range surveillance radar on Son Tra.








Ok That is the second radar
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Very nice! One correction to the article. Son Tra is not an island, its a peninsula right next to the city.
The 3 original radars were built by the Americans during the war.

The radar station and processing system were supplied by Spanish IT and defense systems company Indra Sistermas.

Wow, very interesting. I think this is the first military sale from Spain to Vietnam.

'Give them a bloody nose': Xi pressed for stronger South China Sea response


August 1, 2016

https://www.yahoo.com/news/them-bloody-nose-xi-pressed-stronger-south-china-232358640.html
2016-07-31T232358Z_1_LYNXNPEC6U0IQ_RTROPTP_2_SOUTHCHINASEA-RULING-CHINA.JPG.cf.jpg

People watch a TV news broadcast about the South China Sea outside a shopping mall in Beijing, China July 16, 2016. CHINA REUTERS/Thomas Peter/File Photo
By Ben Blanchard and Benjamin Kang Lim

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's leadership is resisting pressure from elements within the military for a more forceful response to an international court ruling against Beijing's claims in the South China Sea, sources said, wary of provoking a clash with the United States.

China refused to participate in the case overseen by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

It denounced the emphatic July 12 ruling in favor of the Philippines as a farce that had no legal basis and part of an anti-China plot cooked up in Washington.

The ruling has been followed in China by a wave of nationalist sentiment, scattered protests and strongly worded editorials in state media.

So far, Beijing has not shown any sign of wanting to take stronger action. Instead, it has called for a peaceful resolution through talks at the same time as promising to defend Chinese territory.

But some elements within China's increasingly confident military are pushing for a stronger - potentially armed - response aimed at the United States and its regional allies, according to interviews with four sources with close military and leadership ties.

"The People's Liberation Army is ready," one source with ties to the military told Reuters.

"We should go in and give them a bloody nose like Deng Xiaoping did to Vietnam in 1979," the source said, referring to China's brief invasion of Vietnam to punish Hanoi for forcing Beijing's ally the Khmer Rouge from power in Cambodia.

The sources requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

President Xi Jinping has assiduously courted and thoroughly cemented his leadership over the PLA and faces no serious challenges to his command.

While he is overseeing sweeping military reforms to improve the PLA's ability to win wars, he has said China needs a stable external environment as it deals with its own development issues, including a slowing economy. And few people expect any significant move ahead of Xi's hosting of a G20 summit in September.

But the hardened response to The Hague ruling from some elements of the military increases the risk that any provocative or inadvertent incidents in the South China Sea could escalate into a more serious clash.

MILITARY "HARDENED"

Another source with ties to the leadership described the mood in the PLA as hawkish.

"The United States will do what it has to do. We will do what we have to do," the source said. "The entire military side has been hardened. It was a huge loss of face," he said, declining further comment.

Chinese Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun, asked whether the PLA was pushing for a stronger response, repeated that the armed forces would resolutely defend China's territory and maritime rights, and peace and stability, while dealing with any threats or challenges.

Retired military officers and army-linked academics have pushed home a strongly martial message.

"The Chinese military will step up and fight hard and China will never submit to any country on matters of sovereignty," Liang Fang, a professor at the military-run National Defence University, wrote on his Weibo microblog about the ruling.

It is not clear exactly what steps military hardliners are considering.

Much attention has been focused around the potential establishment of an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) for the South China Sea, which would require international aircraft to identify themselves to Chinese authorities.

Other options floated by those linked to the PLA include putting missiles on bombers patrolling the South China Sea capable of hitting targets in the Philippines or Vietnam.

Yue Gang, a retired colonel, said China's announcement promising regular air patrols over the region showed it was seeking to deny the U.S. air superiority afforded by aircraft carriers. China should be confident enough to provoke an incident and drive the U.S. out, he added.

"China is not intimidated by U.S. carriers and is brave enough to touch off an inadvertent confrontation," Yue wrote on his Weibo account.

China's military build-up in the region looks set to quicken regardless of any action.

"We must make preparations for a long-term fight and take this as a turning point in our South China Sea military strategy," Li Jinming of the South China Sea Institute at China's Xiamen University wrote in the Chinese academic journal Southeast Asian Studies.


WARY OF CLASH

Despite the saber rattling, there have been no firm military moves that could cause an escalation of tensions. Diplomats and sources said the Chinese leadership was well aware of the dangers of a clash.

"They're on the back foot. They're very worried by the international reaction," said one senior Beijing-based diplomat, citing conversations with Chinese officials.

"They are genuine about wanting to get talks back on track. The leadership will have to think long and hard about where to go next."

Within China's armed forces there is a recognition that China would come off worst in a face-off with the United States.

"Our navy cannot take on the Americans. We do not have that level of technology yet. The only people who would suffer would be ordinary Chinese," said the source with ties to the military.

Those voices appeared to have the upper hand for now, the source said, pointing to a realization that the 1979 border war with Vietnam did not go as well for China as the propaganda machine would like people to believe.

Even setting up an ADIZ, like the one Beijing set up over the East China Sea in 2013 to anger from the United States, Japan and others, would be difficult to enforce given the distance from the mainland.

China has repeatedly said it has the right to set up an ADIZ but that the decision depends on the level of threat it faces.

A second source with leadership ties put it bluntly: "War is unlikely".

"But we will continue to conduct military exercises," the source said. "(We) expect U.S. naval vessels to continue to come," and "miscalculation cannot be ruled out".

Foreign Minister Wang Yi has stressed the importance of dialogue, saying it now was the time to return things to the "right track" and to "turn the page" on the ruling.

The United States has responded positively to these overtures, sending U.S. National Security Adviser Susan Rice to China this week with a call for calm.

Washington is also using quiet diplomacy to persuade other regional players not to move aggressively to capitalize on the ruling.

China has been angered by U.S. freedom of navigation patrols in the South China Sea, but its forces have responded only by shadowing U.S. vessels and warning them, showing China's unwillingness to goad the U.S. military unnecessarily, according to Western and Asian diplomats.

China is also wary of any incident overshadowing the G20 summit in Hangzhou in September, the highlight of this year's diplomatic calendar for Xi when he will be host to the leaders of most of the world’s economically most powerful countries, the sources said.

The Beijing-based diplomat said it was more likely China would choose the period between the end of the G20 and the U.S. presidential election in November to make any move.

"But that is a misjudgment if China thinks the United States will just sit back and do nothing," the diplomat said.

(Editing by Lincoln Feast)

Have to be careful and ready after September.
 
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Very nice! One correction to the article. Son Tra is not an island, its a peninsula right next to the city.
The 3 original radars were built by the Americans during the war.



Wow, very interesting. I think this is the first military sale from Spain to Vietnam.



Have to be careful and ready after September.
Ok got it. I believe the range of the new radar (450 km) is not too bad, but it falls a bit too short to cover the entire sea up to the Philippines. About 1,400 km. We need vessels having surveillance radars on them.

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What do you think coming after September?

China deletes the word "peaceful" from peaceful rising, only rising remains :D

I hope too we see more business with Spain.

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Ok got it. I believe the range of the new radar (450 km) is not too bad, but it falls a bit too short to cover the entire sea up to the Philippines. About 1,400 km. We need vessels having surveillance radars on them.

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What do you think coming after September?

China deletes the word "peaceful" from peaceful rising, only rising remains :D

I hope too we see more business with Spain.

Ole

The only radars that can cover 1400 km are the big X band radars for ballistic defence and the OTH radars. Those are pretty big projects.

The G20 meeting in September is in China, so they will behave until that time, afterwards is a risky time, particularly While USA is busy with the election.

Ok got it. I believe the range of the new radar (450 km) is not too bad, but it falls a bit too short to cover the entire sea up to the Philippines. About 1,400 km. We need vessels having surveillance radars on them.Ole

Also, don't forget about the curvature of the Earth, 450 km range is only for high altitude targets. The X Band radars have a long range, but that's to detect ballistic missiles coming from very high altitude. If you want to cover the sea, those radars are not going to do anything for you. You need to have radars in other locations that are much more forward deployed or to use AWACS or radar satellites.
 
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The only radars that can cover 1400 km are the big X band radars for ballistic defence and the OTH radars. Those are pretty big projects.

The G20 meeting in September is in China, so they will behave until that time, afterwards is a risky time, particularly While USA is busy with the election.



Also, don't forget about the curvature of the Earth, 450 km range is only for high altitude targets. The X Band radars have a long range, but that's to detect ballistic missiles coming from very high altitude. If you want to cover the sea, those radars are not going to do anything for you. You need to have radars in other locations that are much more forward deployed or to use AWACS or radar satellites.
I doubt the chinese begin a war, but sure, we must calculate with everythng.

we have license and technology to produce en masse antiship missile Kct-15, a variant of Kh-35. why don´t we pack them on quad launchers, on a truck, and place them at strategic points in case of crisis?


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