Well i LOVE when a military thread turn political by people who dont have remotely enough information about what is going on around the world or the history of a country yet boldly made many conclusions. Since certain people cant read and probably having a hard time on Google, i will give you some interesting information:
1/ "Baseless", "limited" ? Well the guy said that surely dont know anything about "Democracy" in the world except on books and pure theory. Let me list a few notable examples about what happen to "democracy" in the past. Do remember that i dont claim all democracy will be like this:
_ South Vietnam: A "certified" democracy by US standards. Now let google Ngo Dinh Diem assassination or coup and election frauds in South Vietnam. Feel free to read English sources and see what happen to that "democracy". Democracy like communism in a sense that if people act precisely and exactly like what on the theory, things will surely better, they both have a tight procedure and structure to follow. But as the VN old slogan :'Làm theo năng lực, hưởng theo nhu cầu" or "Do what you can, earn what you want" that fail miserably, democracy in Vietnam was and will face the same destruction. People care little about the country benefit, only about themselves. In just 5 years from 1960 to 1965 there are numerous coup attempts and assassination. The election frauds and corruptions are rampaging. Are there anyone got punished by the constitution? A few............if you lose that is. Guess the people at this time will do MUCH better eh ?
_South Korea: Another "certified" democracy by US standards. Nowadays the country is fine and prosperous because the people see the COUNTRY benefits first. Before that, things were much more difficult. I guess we all know the name of Park Chung Hee and Chun Doo hwan. These are generals that utilize the political instability to become president. While i do see many advantage they bring to the country, they are famous for many thing else. And for people that thought constitution will always fair and square, Yushin constitution will be a damn nice example. And what happen to them ? Chun Doo Hwan nearly kill a future SK president, embezzle state fund and what ? "A president pardon" and he got out easily.
_United States: Here we are, the biggest democracy in the world. I dont see any TRANSPARENCY anywhere. 2003 Iraq invasion, where is the god damn WMD ? The newspaper that cover the war sunk the issue down like nothing. 2011 Libya bombing, i mean for what ? "Free the people and bring them happiness" ? Now surely Libyan is in a state of "extreme happiness". And of course let talk about Richard Nixon with the famous Watergate scandal, what happen to him ? Jail time ? nope. "A president pardon" and there he goes out happy and fine. Well i guess being a president do help you a lot. Immunity were given out like fall leaves. Other people involved in such a massive scandal and surely unconstitutional event under orders by an active President never spend more than 3 years in jail............Well the biggest Democracy in the work "work out" very good eh ? Such "good and precise" punishment for Richard Nixon and his cliche, right ? "Challenge it and you will be punished" my butt. And you talk about the Second Amendments, you call its a tool for people to keep the government in check, i call it a cause for uncontrollable mass shootings and murders. Pick the one you like
2/ For the person that are NOT from Vietnam, here are also good stuff for you:
_ Dis i say we achieve stability right after 1975 ? i only say we have it NOW after LONG time. Dont put your "assumed" words into my mouth. And about the naming of the city. Ho Chi Minh is our leader in our war of revolution since the France time. People that serve the France and then the American against him were TRAITORS. You dont colonize a country, cut it in half and when someone achieved victory, re - unite the country and made changes, you claim that is wrong ? A location name can easily change a dozen times, why do we have to play by someone else preference ? I guess Washington D.C that is named after George Washington better change back to something like "State of Potomac" ? HISTORICALLY correct right ?
If this too hard to stomach for you, check this: Mount Rushmore. This is the place taken by American after the American - Indian war. Now in the 1927 after all the Indian got throw into the conservation, the first four presidents of the United States faces are carved into the mountain. Sound fair to the Indian ? Oh lets use your own word instead : "A political gestures to show that the Indian has lost their land, we own you now and here we will carve our founding presidents into the mountain to mark the occasion".
Purge and concentration camps. Well after the American Revolution and then the Civil war, things have to done about the American Royalist and the South States. Much have nothing against the new regime but there are people seeking the old ways. That when stuff go bad. In Vietnam, its the same. Printing counterfeit, mounting arms resistance, sabotaging key facilities, etc. What is your suggestion to stop it ? Sit by and wait till it happen more and more on a wider scale ? We did what it take, there are controversial mistakes and grave errors were makes but we try our best to made up for those people.
Foe conclusion, i did see many good qualities of democracy. but i also know that its can only be exploited by people with high cultural standards. If people only care about their own benefits, democracy will bring nothing but extra problems. Greek government now struggle to survive due to many presidents post - retirements care programs that strain the nation budgets. And that is only if we dont kill ourselves first and do China a big favor. Have fun hoping that our people can refine the thing instead of smashing it down and turn the country into a mass exodus that is happen on plenty of countries now.
When you replying to me quote me, dont know how to use browser? Or some superiority complex issue?
Lastly, even after rigging the elections, South Korea is a prosperous and full fledged democracy.
Lol, because of afraid of rigging you accepted One party rule. obviously why one party need rigging? , This is the best argument I ever heard.
You proved party's reeducation program giving fruits now.
And BTW, I am Indian, and from top to bottom, from president to JCO, everyone take oath to protect constitution and its democracy. Maybe because of this I am biased.
But this is the first time I ever heard one party rule is just awesome as in democracy rigging exist. Thats wonderful thought.
_ Dis i say we achieve stability right after 1975 ? i only say we have it NOW after LONG time. Dont put your "assumed" words into my mouth.
Nobody putting words in your mouth. Are you typing or speaking?
And about the naming of the city. Ho Chi Minh is our leader in our war of revolution since the France time. People that serve the France and then the American against him were TRAITORS.
He reunite the country? Or he was sipping coffee in bunkers constructed by Mao and USSR? And planing a life in Soviet Russia, in case Kennedy order to cross DMZ? Lol, this is serious disgrace toward your own people and toward what sacrifice they made.
You dont colonize a country, cut it in half and when someone achieved victory, re - unite the country and made changes, you claim that is wrong ? A location name can easily change a dozen times, why do we have to play by someone else preference ? I guess Washington D.C that is named after George Washington better change back to something like "State of Potomac" ? HISTORICALLY correct right ?
Lol, do you know meaning of changing name politically. To show defeat to South?
Washington DC was new city. And State of Potomac was not the name of city but of region. And neither choosing Washington was political. And yes Washington DC is historically correct. And seriously Washington was hero, it take lot of guts as first leader to share power and establish Constitution on Liberty & Democracy. Sorry, but not a single leader of North had such qualities neither will power.
Waging war & defeating a superpower is not a quality, even Afghanistan defeated Soviet Union. So we consider Hekmatyar as Hero? No?
Ok, if that was not political, then why not Vietnam renamed Hanoi? Why Saigon.
If this too hard to stomach for you, check this: Mount Rushmore. This is the place taken by American after the American - Indian war. Now in the 1927 after all the Indian got throw into the conservation, the first four presidents of the United States faces are carved into the mountain. Sound fair to the Indian ? Oh lets use your own word instead : "A political gestures to show that the Indian has lost their land, we own you now and here we will carve our founding presidents into the mountain to mark the occasion".
This is your justification? Fck, because in some time ago slavery was in US, so slavery in Vietnam is also alright? Or thats why right after war North considered South as slaves?
Purge and concentration camps. Well after the American Revolution and then the Civil war, things have to done about the American Royalist and the South States. Much have nothing against the new regime but there are people seeking the old ways. That when stuff go bad. In Vietnam, its the same. Printing counterfeit, mounting arms resistance, sabotaging key facilities, etc. What is your suggestion to stop it ? Sit by and wait till it happen more and more on a wider scale ? We did what it take, there are controversial mistakes and grave errors were makes but we try our best to made up for those people.
Lol, you take lot of example from US. No that was not purging. Start to distinguish between two. Otherwise right after war, there would be no leader from South.
The most topmost leadership of South survived and even lived freely. And even released Jefferson David after some four years.
Foe conclusion, i did see many good qualities of democracy. but i also know that its can only be exploited by people with high cultural standards. If people only care about their own benefits, democracy will bring nothing but extra problems. Greek government now struggle to survive due to many presidents post - retirements care programs that strain the nation budgets. And that is only if we dont kill ourselves first and do China a big favor. Have fun hoping that our people can refine the thing instead of smashing it down and turn the country into a mass exodus that is happen on plenty of countries now.
So what the party doing tell me. Oh wait, they making leaders from poor families.
[/QUOTE]
