Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

We have had issues with Spike ATGM from Israel too. But they were just under trial and now cancelled, we will make a local system with optimised sensor for our desert conditions.

I think the problem can be solved by air con?

@jhungary

 

[Nilgiri]

I think the problem can be solved by air con?

@jhungary

Well our operational requirement needs certain temperature range to be met. Also the problem was in discerning the target from the background when there is lot of ambient background heat/mirage (rather than the issue being the local heat of the system)...sensor cooling can only help so much with that, rather it needs an optimised logic and clutter control etc for the specific desert at hand.

@Signalian @randomradio @Water Car Engineer @django

 

[warzone]

We have had issues with Spike ATGM from Israel too. But they were just under trial and now cancelled, we will make a local system with optimised sensor for our desert conditions.

I am pretty sure it's because of the high humidity of VN tropical weather and also the rainy season (half a year) must affect the system performance and damage it (electronic). Did they test the system during the rainy season before the purchase? I hope it just incompetence and no corruption involved.

 

[Nilgiri]

I am pretty sure it's because of the high humidity of VN tropical weather and also the rainy season (half a year) must affect the system performance and damage it (electronic). Did they test the system during the rainy season before the purchase? I hope it just incompetence and no corruption involved.

Yes tropics can do that (Mig 21 for example needed lot of modification to be flown at heavy sortie rate in India conditions compared to USSR). Not sure at what stage of testing the Spyder was in for Vietnam. Whats clear is likely be cancelled now I think...unless some fix can be found.

 

[Aqsuperman]

There are rumors that a large number of "Russian tanks" have reached a certain Vietnam port. Naturally, people assume that they must be the long-awaited T-90s

Sadly, upon close inspection, these are likely T-72 "White Eagle" ordered by Laos. The tanks must have been in transit as Laos is a landlocked country.

 

[Nike]

There are rumors that a large number of "Russian tanks" have reached a certain Vietnam port. Naturally, people assume that they must be the long-awaited T-90s

Sadly, upon close inspection, these are likely T-72 "White Eagle" ordered by Laos. The tanks must have been in transit as Laos is a landlocked country.

They need it to replacing their aging tanks

 

[warzone]

Yes tropics can do that (Mig 21 for example needed lot of modification to be flown at heavy sortie rate in India conditions compared to USSR). Not sure at what stage of testing the Spyder was in for Vietnam. Whats clear is likely be cancelled now I think...unless some fix can be found.

I think they can fix that problem on the few they have, it not a huge problem.

They need it to replacing their aging tanks

Everyone want to have the money to change for the nice new car of the year, including you. Like everyone and every armies in the world, we can't do it because of lack of fund and others priorities.

 

[randomradio]

I think the problem can be solved by air con?

@jhungary

Well our operational requirement needs certain temperature range to be met. Also the problem was in discerning the target from the background when there is lot of ambient background heat/mirage (rather than the issue being the local heat of the system)...sensor cooling can only help so much with that, rather it needs an optimised logic and clutter control etc for the specific desert at hand.

@Signalian @randomradio @Water Car Engineer @django

All we know is Spike failed trials because of the seeker being unable to handle desert temperatures. This is obviously not the complete picture.

We don't know anything else like whether the problem is with cooling, the seeker itself or something else entirely, like difficult test conditions.

Why buying a missile system that can’t work in the tropical climate?
Crazy. Israel should quickly provide a bug fix. Otherwise it’s a gap in Vietnam united air defense.

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@Nilgiri

They haven't mentioned if the problem is with the mobile launchers or the missiles or the radar or something else.

Our SPYDERs are adequately tropicalised. Personally, I think it's a problem with the launcher, since that's the only thing India and Vietnam do not share in our respective SAMs. We use TATA while Vietnam uses MAN.

Of course, it could also be a very specific problem which occurred in Vietnam depending on the deployment patterns closer to the equator compared to India.

 

[jhungary]

I think the problem can be solved by air con?

@jhungary

depending on how the missile failed, tracking sensor are very sensitive to ambient temperature, especially if the missile are heat seeking, the contrast is used to track the target. If so, Air-Con is useless as you cannot alter ambient temperature.

On the other hand, if the missile failed because of technical difficulty (like overheating and such) then air-con may be of use.

 

[TenLua]

Vietnam does not need tanks. Ot doesn’t need jets, what Viet Nam need is to legalize Marijuana. Just do it you stupid fucking backwards thinking motherfuckers.

 

[randomradio]

Vietnam does not need tanks. Ot doesn’t need jets, what Viet Nam need is to legalize Marijuana. Just do it you stupid fucking backwards thinking motherfuckers.

Isn't it the death penalty for even possession of marijuana?

 

[Nilgiri]

Haha @TenLua welcome back!

Isn't it the death penalty for even possession of marijuana?

I know it is in Singapore.....basically anything in possession more than even a gram (of MJ) or something like that....is considered to be drug trafficking = death penalty.

 

[Aqsuperman]

So a couple of Vietnamese fisherman just got their hand on a "weird" fish

Oh well, who am I kidding? It's a Chinese torpedo. Probably Yu-6 or its training variant, I think. Like the country it belongs to, PLAN does like to litter the sea with its junks.

But we butchered it anyway :v

 

[TenLua]

Haha @TenLua welcome back!



I know it is in Singapore.....basically anything in possession more than even a gram (of MJ) or something like that....is considered to be drug trafficking = death penalty.

Thanks man.

 

[Viet]

So a couple of Vietnamese fisherman just got their hand on a "weird" fish

Oh well, who am I kidding? It's a Chinese torpedo. Probably Yu-6 or its training variant, I think. Like the country it belongs to, PLAN does like to litter the sea with its junks.

But we butchered it anyway :v

Look fcking great: China peaceful rise

Vietnam warships can litter the seas by sea mines and torpedo too