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Some interesting development

Converting manned to unmanned automatic 37mm anti aircraft twin gun

New granate launcher

Setting up assembly line for missiles

After successful field tests, armor piercing 12.7mm rifle is put to mass production.

 

[Nilgiri]

Wow one post about Indian TV show in Vietnam and furthering Indo-Viet cultural contact caused all that in response

@Carlosa As you may see, IVC (and lot of other history in region) is a touchy subject in this forum. People always prefer to apply current political boundaries to ancient history when it suits a particular argument of theirs no matter how flawed it may actually be (in terms of cultural and even ethnic connection)....and then actively deny any connection to "India" by using strawmen arguments and/or ad-hominem attacks (forgetting how say even in Indian mainstream culture there is much fundamental transition and change from pre-vedic to vedic to post vedic/puranic eras).

You seem well read on the subject, there are plenty of civ/history forums where that is more mainline theme and audience more neutral etc where its productive subject to discuss. Over here I largely just back off from seriously talking about it, nothing good comes from it inevitably.

Anyways back to Vietnam defence now!

 

[Carlosa]

Wow one post about Indian TV show in Vietnam and furthering Indo-Viet cultural contact caused all that in response

@Carlosa As you may see, IVC (and lot of other history in region) is a touchy subject in this forum. People always prefer to apply current political boundaries to ancient history when it suits a particular argument of theirs no matter how flawed it may actually be (in terms of cultural and even ethnic connection)....and then actively deny any connection to "India" by using strawmen arguments and/or ad-hominem attacks (forgetting how say even in Indian mainstream culture there is much fundamental transition and change from pre-vedic to vedic to post vedic/puranic eras).

You seem well read on the subject, there are plenty of civ/history forums where that is more mainline theme and audience more neutral etc where its productive subject to discuss. Over here I largely just back off from seriously talking about it, nothing good comes from it inevitably.

Anyways back to Vietnam defence now!

You are certainly right, I tried to avoid the arguments as much as possibly (I didn't get into the Arjun tank, but I had seen the Indian-Pak duels about that and all the rebuttals of what the Pak people say, but I know its useless to bring it up). In private I would tell you why I know about the connection between the Vedic / pre Vedic culture and Hinduism & Yoga, but I would not want to bring my personal life into the forum, but I'm very certain about that.

Back to Viet defense. @Viet Didn't see any more news about VN buying the Osprey, so I don't know what's going on. I got that info from twitter, but I just arrived to China a couple of days ago and now I'm cut off from some of my best sources of information since those sites are blocked in China, so Its difficult to follow up on that. Let me know if you find anything.

 

[Viet]

You are certainly right, I tried to avoid the arguments as much as possibly (I didn't get into the Arjun tank, but I had seen the Indian-Pak duels about that and all the rebuttals of what the Pak people say, but I know its useless to bring it up). In private I would tell you why I know about the connection between the Vedic / pre Vedic culture and Hinduism & Yoga, but I would not want to bring my personal life into the forum, but I'm very certain about that.

Back to Viet defense. @Viet Didn't see any more news about VN buying the Osprey, so I don't know what's going on. I got that info from twitter, but I just arrived to China a couple of days ago and now I'm cut off from some of my best sources of information since those sites are blocked in China, so Its difficult to follow up on that. Let me know if you find anything.

Tata offers internet service with proxy placed in HK that is out of control of Chinese government.

As for $3 billion Ospreys birds, there is an interesting article in Sputnik I will post it here.

 

[Carlosa]

Have you tried ways to bypass Chinese great firewall? I once worked for a company that has facilities and offices in China such as in Shanghai. We used Tata internet service with proxy placed in HK that is out of control of Chinese government.

As for $3 billion Ospreys birds, there is an interesting article in Sputnik I will post it here.

I have tried some VPNs to try to bypass the firewall, but I was never able to get them to work. I'm planning to try again during this trip. That damn firewall gets better and better at blocking everything. No wonder chinese are so brainwashed, they only have the official version of everything.

Oh yes, please post that article. A lot of websites are blocked here even that they don't say or do anything against the chinese government, I can't figure out a reason why they are blocked.

Tata offers internet service with proxy placed in HK that is out of control of Chinese government.

As for $3 billion Ospreys birds, there is an interesting article in Sputnik I will post it here.

I think for companies in China there are ways and services to bypass the firewall, but don't forget that I come here briefly for 2 or 3 weeks a few times a year, so those services may not be applicable to me.

 

[Viet]

What Makes Vietnam an 'Ideal Client' For the United States?

ASIA & PACIFIC
20:16 11.08.2017

While diplomatic battles were raging in Manila over the final statements of the foreign ministers in light of the ASEAN meetings, Vietnamese Defense Minister Ngo Xuan Lịch was meeting with his US counterpart, James Mattis, in Washington. Sputnik China spoke to an expert from the Center for Strategic Research, Anton Tsvetov, in an interview.

© PHOTO: US Kicks Off Navy Drills With Vietnam After Beijing Slams 'Serious Provocation' in South China Sea


“The desperate struggle of Vietnamese diplomats in the corridors of the ASEAN ministerial meeting on the wording of the resolution concerning the South China Sea caused a flurry of criticism in the Chinese media,” Tsvetov said.

He further said, “This loneliness of Vietnam in its struggle further pushes it towards the United States. Although Vietnam refuses to behave like the Philippines under Duterte, it will also not behave like the Philippines under Aquino.”

According to the expert, perhaps the loudest news of the visit of the Vietnamese defense minister is the alleged promise by Mattis to bring a US aircraft carrier to a Vietnamese port during 2018; the last time it happened was in 1975, and back then the US ship had completely different purposes.

1975 marked the end of the Vietnam War. The war, also known as the Second Indochina War or Resistance War against America, was fought from 1955 to April 30, 1975.

Almost immediately following the visit, the Vietnamese received a small gift – the passage of the US destroyer John McCain through the waters of the South China Sea, claimed by China.

“On the same days, very strange rumors appeared in the Vietnamese media about an agreement to supply 24 US V-22 Osprey converters worth $3 billion. This deal seems extremely unlikely, so information about it can be used to test the reaction of different audiences,” Tsvetov said.

He further said that one way or another, it is politically impossible for the Vietnamese leadership to surrender positions regarding the dispute with China.

The expert also said that the long-standing efforts by Beijing to consolidate its positions in the South China Sea have raised significant anti-Chinese sentiments in Vietnam among the most diverse groups of the population, especially among those who criticize the Communist Party on other issues, but also enjoy anti-Chinese rhetoric.

“The Communist Party of Vietnam is trapped because a tough reaction and diplomatic demarches spoil relations with China. Whereas, softness and any concessions spoil relations with part of its own population, hence, the persistence of tension in relations with China makes Vietnam an ideal client for the United States,” Tsvetov noted.

© AP PHOTO/ JIN LIANGKUAI
Beijing Vowed Strike on Vietnam Targets for Drilling in South China Sea


At the same time, the leadership of Vietnam naturally sees limits of rapprochement with the United States.

According to the expert, an example of the rule in the Philippines of Benigno Aquino III showed that “if you go too far, the country will cut itself off from those objective economic opportunities that create normal relations with China.”

Nevertheless, economically, Vietnam has a fairly developed relationship with the United States, Japan, South Korea and other players, the expert said.

“As for ASEAN, today there is an impression that Vietnam is interested in this organization, first of all, as an instrument to draw attention to the problem of the South China Sea. That is why the Vietnamese diplomats worked so actively at the last ministerial meeting,” he said.

The expert further said, “In Hanoi, they know that the main thing for ASEAN is a consensus, which means that Vietnam has great opportunities to involve the rest of Southeast Asia in its protective combination.”

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201708111056391426-vietnam-ideal-client-us/

 

[Carlosa]

Tata offers internet service with proxy placed in HK that is out of control of Chinese government.

As for $3 billion Ospreys birds, there is an interesting article in Sputnik I will post it here.

Interesting take, maybe it was a rumor to test China's reaction. The guy from the article, Tsvetov, is pretty good, he has a good feel for Vietnam, has good sources and contacts there plus his sources in Russia. I follow him in twitter.

 

[Viet]

I have tried some VPNs to try to bypass the firewall, but I was never able to get them to work. I'm planning to try again during this trip. That damn firewall gets better and better at blocking everything. No wonder chinese are so brainwashed, they only have the official version of everything.

Oh yes, please post that article. A lot of websites are blocked here even that they don't say or do anything against the chinese government, I can't figure out a reason why they are blocked.



I think for companies in China there are ways and services to bypass the firewall, but don't forget that I come here briefly for 2 or 3 weeks a few times a year, so those services may not be applicable to me.

To understand how Chinese censorship works. Internet in China is not any different to Internet in other countries with all traffic have to go thru a network control device called proxy. Anyone who controls the proxy controls the traffic. Foreign companies complain much about regular internet interruptions with some extreme cases every 15 minutes. The Chinese government has access to all proxies of internet service providers operating in China so she can control and filter any data she want to block or pass. So regardless of the name of your internet provider China telecom or Unicom you are not free in your choice to access data.

Some internet providers especially foreign one offer encryption services or VPN or even place proxies out of mainland China such as in HK. But there are limits. The Chinese authorities hinder the backdoors wherever they can.

All the best for your business in China

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Tata offers internet service with proxy placed in HK that is out of control of Chinese government.

As for $3 billion Ospreys birds, there is an interesting article in Sputnik I will post it here.

I never knew Tata also own Internet nodes in HK.

Indeed Tata is Tier 1 provider, and most of internet nodes in South Asia are owned by Tata. But I never knew they also own internet nodes outside India.

 

[Carlosa]

To understand how Chinese censorship works. Internet in China is not any different to Internet in other countries with all traffic have to go thru a network control device called proxy. Anyone who controls the proxy controls the traffic. Foreign companies complain much about regular internet interruptions with some extreme cases every 15 minutes. The Chinese government has access to all proxies of internet service providers operating in China so she can control and filter any data she want to block or pass. So regardless of the name of your internet provider China telecom or Unicom you are not free in your choice to access data.

Some internet providers especially foreign one offer encryption services or VPN or even place proxies out of mainland China such as in HK. But there are limits. The Chinese authorities hinder the backdoors wherever they can.

All the best for your business in China

Thanks man. Its never easy or fun to be here, but have to do.

 

[Viet]

I never knew Tata also own Internet nodes in HK.

Indeed Tata is Tier 1 provider, and most of internet nodes in South Asia are owned by Tata. But I never knew they also own internet nodes outside India.

Tata has presence in many countries but in many cases does not maintain real nodes but leases virtual networks or cloud services from other such as zscaler.

 

[Viet]

Assembled by Damen z189 shipyard, Australia Navy inducts two Vietnam made 3,600 ton submarine support & rescue vessels into service:

MV Besant and MV Stoker

Damen shipyard offers OPV Sea 1180 class for Australia Navy in a $3 billion program. The armament includes Raytheon Mark 49 Mod 2 RAM missile, Thales STIR fire control and Thales Smart-S Mark 2 search radar, two OTO Melara MARLIN 30mm automatic guns and the Rheinmetall MASS Multi Ammunition Softkill System decoy system, all managed by the TACTICOS combat management system.

Vietnam orders 10 ships to be manufactured by the Damen local shipyard in Haiphong. Unclear whether that will be the Sea 1180 class.

 

[Carlosa]

What's Behind Upcoming US Aircraft Carrier's Visit to Vietnam?
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201708121056409034-us-aircraft-carrier-visit-to-vietnam/

During the recent meeting between Vietnamese Defense Minister Ngo Xuan Lich and his US counterpart James Mattis, the two defense leaders agreed to deepen mutual military cooperation.

Following the talks held in Washington, Jim Mattis said that strong relations between the two countries were based on mutual interests, including freedom of navigation in the South China Sea.

In an interview with Radio Sputnik, a research fellow at the Maritime Security Program, Dr. Collin Koh Swee Lean, said that this cooperation has been flourishing the past few years.
“First of all it is important to highlight that this recent announcement of the aircraft carrier visit was built on the earlier upswing in the political relations between the US and Vietnam even during Obama’s administration, so now Trump’s administration is building on that momentum,” Lean said.

He further said that earlier it was seen that US ships have made visits into the region close to Vietnam, so the planned visit of the aircraft carrier is not just a “show of commitment to Vietnam, but to the South Asian region in general.”

“I think by doing this, the US shows that it is still interested in maintaining peace and stability in the region,” the analyst said.

Talking about how the US and Vietnam relations have developed since the end of the Vietnam War in 1975, Lean said that there was a postwar time and it resembled the Cold War era, but there was a change in attitude not only in the US but also in Vietnam, as the country became more independent in its foreign policy.

1975 marked the end of the Vietnam War. The war, also known as the Second Indochina War or Resistance War against America, was fought from 1955 to April 30, 1975.

“Over time there was a gradual improvement or rapprochement in relations between the US and Vietnam, but those relations back then were actually bound to diplomatic dialogue as well as some economic exchanges, but from the 2000s we saw improvement in the scope of those collaborations that comprised heavier element of defense and security issue,” Lean said.

© AP Photo/ Horst Faas

He further spoke about the South China Sea dispute and how China might react to US-Vietnam defense cooperation.

“The visit of the US aircraft carrier sends a very clear and heavy signal to the intended parties and China is one of the intended parties,” the analyst said.

He further spoke about how Vietnam supports the rule based order and freedom of navigation that was mentioned during the Obama administration and not just recently.
However, Vietnam’s defense cooperation, according to Lean, is not isolated to just the US, because Vietnam is also similarly cooperating with Japan and it generally aims to have better cooperation with regional countries in light of its more open foreign policy.

 

[Viva_Viet]

What's Behind Upcoming US Aircraft Carrier's Visit to Vietnam?


“The visit of the US aircraft carrier sends a very clear and heavy signal to the intended parties and China is one of the intended parties,” the analyst said.

He further spoke about how Vietnam supports the rule based order and freedom of navigation that was mentioned during the Obama administration and not just recently.
However, Vietnam’s defense cooperation, according to Lean, is not isolated to just the US, because Vietnam is also similarly cooperating with Japan and it generally aims to have better cooperation with regional countries in light of its more open foreign policy.

Seem like a chance for CN to beg for daddy US's help like in 1979 becoming so narrow now. The whole world known clearly how usless CN coast guard is when facing wt VN small but brave coast guard. Soon, ppl will see how useless CN PLAN is without daddy US back up like in 1979

 

[Viet]

Vietnam made anti tank SPG9 73mm for infantrymen