Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

There are more than 1 bad incident that Indonesia did.
Off my mind are a few examples:
Konfrontasi(or Confrontation, 1963–1966) when Indonesia attacked tiny Singapore in an undeclared war.
Genocide of communists in 1965.
Genocide of Indonesian Chinese in 1998.
Smog in Singapore and Malaysia every year from vegetation clearing by burning in Indonesia.

I think we are all very clear what constitute bragging and India.
Vietnam celebrating their achievement in Pisa test and International Maths Olympiad is not bragging.
India with their constant claims for decades that their GDP is overtaking China is bragging.
India on their ancient Verdic maths and Verdic science is bragging.

East Asians are good in Maths and Science that are essential in Engineering and Weapons development.
So far I observed, Singapore and Vietnam don't brag like the Indians do.
I base my observations not solely on this forum but on their media and Indian foreign workers behavior in Singapore.
These foreign workers, (but why only Indians) like to brag that they helped to make Singapore rich, forgetting that Singapore is rich before they came.
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You take an extreme stance toward India. Actually not a problem at all for me, but don't post toilet theme and such here pls.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa Btw who saying India is uncivilized don't know 1000 years ago, from Burma to Indonesia to Vietnam all were part of Chola Empire.

Maybe that's why Malaysia still call there Admiral as Lakshamana.

And Indonesian region named Bali. We all know from where this Bali word came from.

Not only Bali, much of Indonesia was settled by the Hindus. The Cham people of Vietnam were a nice culture that left a lot of remains, particularly in south and central Vietnam. There are still about 60,000 Hindu Cham people in Vietnam.

 

[xiao qi]

Not only Bali, much of Indonesia was settled by the Hindus. The Cham people of Vietnam were a nice culture that left a lot of remains, particularly in south and central Vietnam. There are still about 60,000 Hindu Cham people in Vietnam.

The Cham are Hindu people, aren't they? I always think they are Muslim people

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Bragging means talking of accomplishments before it is realized or accomplished. You see a lot of that in the development of Tejas, Arjun etc. etc.. Their Russian second hand aircraft carrier is supposedly the best in the world.
Blowing up an innocent Thai fishing trawler and they were boasting and celebrating blowing up a pirate mothership until a lone survivor exposed their lie.
Shameless Indians lap up the congratulations for a tragedy by them.
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India got independence just 70 years ago.

India is not a country from Mars but Planet Earth. And if you thinking implementing Chinese style development in India, forget it. That never going to happen.

If you saying that is a drawback for being a democracy, I accept it. But I still love Republic or Union.

 

[Carlosa]

The Cham are Hindu people, aren't they? I always think they are Muslim people

They are both. Some Cham people stayed Hindu (Binh Tuan province) while others converted to Islam, the ones near Cambodia.

 

[sinait]

Tell this to Tibetans.
I am seriously saying tell this to Tibetans and check there reply.

I will tell the Tibetans to believe what they will.
I am agnostic, that is I don't believe in any God or religion.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
Gautama Buddha (c. 563 BCE/480 BCE – c. 483 BCE/400 BCE), also known as Siddhartha Gautama
No written records about Gautama were found from his lifetime or some centuries thereafter.
Various collections of teachings attributed to him were passed down by oral tradition and first committed to writing about 400 years later.

Scholars are hesitant to make unqualified claims about the historical facts of the Buddha's life. (Edit: except the Indians)
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Yes you read it correctly, there are no records to verify anything but hearsay.
Believe what you will and I respect that, but don't make claims based on hearsay onto non believers.
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[Farhan Bohra]

I will tell the Tibetans to believe what they will.
I am agnostic, that is I don't believe in any God or religion.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
Gautama Buddha (c. 563 BCE/480 BCE – c. 483 BCE/400 BCE), also known as Siddhartha Gautama
No written records about Gautama were found from his lifetime or some centuries thereafter.
Various collections of teachings attributed to him were passed down by oral tradition and first committed to writing about 400 years later.

Scholars are hesitant to make unqualified claims about the historical facts of the Buddha's life. (Edit: except the Indians)
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Yes you read it correctly, there are no records to verify anything but hearsay.
Believe what you will and I respect that, but don't make claims based on hearsay onto non believers.
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All Dharmic religions are originated from India, that is enough for your facts.

Buddhism was not a new religion.

 

[xiao qi]

They are both. Some Cham people stayed Hindu (Binh Tuan province) while others converted to Islam, the ones near Cambodia.

Binh Tuan province? You mean Bình Định province, the Cham people in the past was the major enemy of Vietnam. The Vietnamese historian said the Vietnamese fought with them more than 2 to 3 times than with Chinese.

 

[sinait]

You take an extreme stance toward India. Actually not a problem at all for me, but don't post toilet theme and such here pls.

I don't mind stopping, but @Carlosa seem to want to keep it going.
Anyway as per your request, I will stop here.
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[Carlosa]

The Cham are Hindu people, aren't they? I always think they are Muslim people

Many of the muslim people from Thailand and Cambodia were originally Cham people from Vietnam that escaped from the Viet invasion of the Cham kingdom.

I don't mind stopping, but @Carlosa seem to want to keep it going.
Anyway as per your request, I will stop here.
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I'm the one that said "Lets leave it at this." in post 10889, but you continued, so, no, its not me, its you, I just reply.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Not only Bali, much of Indonesia was settled by the Hindus. The Cham people of Vietnam were a nice culture that left a lot of remains, particularly in south and central Vietnam. There are still about 60,000 Hindu Cham people in Vietnam.

Map from 815,

Southern Empires of India always tried to go in East Asia, instead of invading North Indian empires.

 

[Carlosa]

Binh Tuan province? You mean Bình Định province, the Cham people in the past was the major enemy of Vietnam. The Vietnamese historian said the Vietnamese fought with them more than 2 to 3 times than with Chinese.

The Cham Balamon which are the Hindu ones are in both Ninh Thuan and Binh Thuan. I'm not sure which province has more, but I know there are many in Binh Thuan since I used to have a Cham friend there and I visited there. There are a number of Cham fishing villages there.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

I will tell the Tibetans to believe what they will.
I am agnostic, that is I don't believe in any God or religion.
"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
Gautama Buddha (c. 563 BCE/480 BCE – c. 483 BCE/400 BCE), also known as Siddhartha Gautama
No written records about Gautama were found from his lifetime or some centuries thereafter.
Various collections of teachings attributed to him were passed down by oral tradition and first committed to writing about 400 years later.

Scholars are hesitant to make unqualified claims about the historical facts of the Buddha's life. (Edit: except the Indians)
"
Yes you read it correctly, there are no records to verify anything but hearsay.
Believe what you will and I respect that, but don't make claims based on hearsay onto non believers.
.

BTW, stories of King Arthur and stories of Excalibur passed down orally over centuries.

Tell this thing to Brits, that he was not a Brit, but a Saxon, so a German.

 

[Carlosa]

Map from 815,

Southern Empires of India always tried to go in East Asia, instead of invading North Indian empires.

The Champa kingdom in Vietnam

 

[Viet]

The Cham are Hindu people, aren't they? I always think they are Muslim people

Yes the Cham were Vietnam's arch enemy for hundreds of years, with both sides staging onslaughts, with most wars ending in stalemate. they had been long under the influence of India but parts of the population converted later to Islam, that became popular in the 14 century. Vietnam annihilated Champa in 15 century when the army acquired the most powerful weapon, the world had never seen before: gun powder gun and artillery for the infantry.

The technology came from China although the Chinese imposed a total weapon embargo on Vietnam, with death penalty for everyone who violated it. Unclear how Vietnam got the technology, some assumed Vietnam paid huge money for Chinese smuggling gangs, with taking many weapons out of China. Vietnam copied the technology and started mass production that were used later in wars against the Chinese and in conquest against other countries in the region. The famous "march to the South" enlarged Vietnamese territories to the south, to the east and to the west.

The Cham asked the Chinese for help but Vietnam was determined to defeat the Cham army in a Blitzkrieg before the Chinese completed mobilization.