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[Banglar Bir]

teleSUR English added a new video: US Devastating Legacy in Vietnam ·
What's the US legacy in Vietnam? 41 years later, people still suffer from the poisonous chemical weapons created by Monsanto that were dropped there.

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RT Documentary added a new video: Devastating consequences of the Vietnam War.

Abnormalities, chronic diseases and unexploded ordnance: Vietnam is still suffering the consequences of the war that ended in 1975.

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[Carlosa]

Can u tell us why a Spanish company support VN in this case ?? Normally, only Russia and India support VN against CN.

I really don't know the details of the situation. The Americans are also drilling near Danang. I don't know the details of the agreement between Vietnam and the Spanish company. Obviously it is profitable and worth it for them to do it. There are a few Spanish companies doing business in Vietnam, they build airports, infrastructure projects, etc.

I would say that the key here is that the Spanish government decided to support the Spanish oil company (government owned) and even that obviously Spain has a lot more trade and business dealings with China, still, they stood by Vietnam even that China can easily choose to retaliate as they did with South Korea and others, the chinese are usually very fast to do that. I can only think that Spain told them that if they choose to retaliate, they would have an issue not only with Spain, but with the whole European Union and at that point it gets very serious. It can still happen, I can't say that the issue is settled, we need more time to see what happens.

 

[Barmaley]

Signed contract for delivery of T-90S to Vietnam. The number is 64 tanks.
The delivery will beggins till the end of this year.

 

[Viet]

Signed contract for delivery of T-90S to Vietnam. The number is 64 tanks.
The delivery will beggins till the end of this year.

Hey hey great stuff. Long live Russia

You got any source to the purchase?

 

[Aqsuperman]

Signed contract for delivery of T-90S to Vietnam. The number is 64 tanks.
The delivery will beggins till the end of this year.

Lovely new indeed. But may you provide a source for this ? English or Russian would be fine.

 

[Barmaley]

Hey hey great stuff. Long live Russia

You got any source to the purchase?

Lovely new indeed. But may you provide a source for this ? English or Russian would be fine.

It is from anual report of UVZ corporation which is was published today.
Here is the link to the news where you can find links to anual report.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2017/07/04/t90s/

 

[Viet]

teleSUR English added a new video: US Devastating Legacy in Vietnam ·
What's the US legacy in Vietnam? 41 years later, people still suffer from the poisonous chemical weapons created by Monsanto that were dropped there.

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RT Documentary added a new video: Devastating consequences of the Vietnam War.

Abnormalities, chronic diseases and unexploded ordnance: Vietnam is still suffering the consequences of the war that ended in 1975.

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It will take another 50 years for VN to recover the wounds being inflicted during the Vietnam war.

It is from anual report of UVZ corporation which is was published today.
Here is the link to the news where you can find links to anual report.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2017/07/04/t90s/

Interesting. But 64 tanks are too little. We need to build up huge modern tank armies of at least 1,000 pieces.

Here google translate


Russia sold T-90S tanks to Iraq and Vietnam. This reveals the final report 2016 published by Uralvagonzavod. The section on military-technical cooperation for 2017 indicates two contracts for the delivery of T-90S tanks. One of them, 64 tanks, is concluded with the foreign customer "704". The second one is concluded with the foreign customer "368". According to the All-Russian Classifier of the World (OCM), "704" is Vietnam, "368" is Iraq. In the same report, Uralvagonzavod says has completed the contract for the supply of 146 T-90MS tanks to Kuwait.

 

[Carlosa]

Signed contract for delivery of T-90S to Vietnam. The number is 64 tanks.
The delivery will beggins till the end of this year.

Great news, but I was hoping for the MS version, too bad.

@madokafc

 

[Carlosa]

Signed contract for delivery of T-90S to Vietnam. The number is 64 tanks.
The delivery will beggins till the end of this year.

Tovarish @Barmaley Do you think this is the very first order of T-90 tanks for Vietnam?

Vietnam for greater Indian role in SE Asia

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/vietnam-asks-india-to-play-security-role-in-south-china-sea/article19210720.ece

Opening new possibilities in Southeast Asia, Vietnam on Tuesday asked India to play a greater role in ASEAN’s strategic and security affairs. Speaking at the Delhi Dialogue IX, a platform for discussion between ASEAN and India, Vietnamese Deputy Prime Minister Pham Binh Minh said that India should support freedom of navigation in the South China Sea on the basis of international law and conventions.

“ASEAN supports India to play a greater role in the political and security domain, and create a regional rule-based region. We hope India will continue to partner our efforts for strategic security and freedom of navigation in South China Sea on the basis of international law and legal convention,” said the visiting leader.

The Vietnamese leader who is on a two-day visit to Delhi, is also the Foreign Minister of his country and held talks with External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj. His comments in support of greater role for India in Southeast Asia came even as tension is building up between India and China across the Sikkim sector.

Common interests
“India and Vietnam share political and economic interests. As the future unfolds we have reason to be optimistic. ASEAN will benefit from India’s experience of resolving maritime issues in a peaceful manner,” he said indicating at the dispute with China in the South China Sea region.

In her speech, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj said that ties with ASEAN is at the centre of India’s Act East Policy. “We place ASEAN at heart of our ‘Act East Policy’ and centre of our dream of an Asian century. ASEAN and India are natural partners,” Ms. Swaraj said.

Pham Binh Minh’s comments are also important as they come a day after senior BJP leader Ram Madhav hinted at China’s growing domination of Southeast Asia and asked Vietnam to partner India in resisting “21st century version of neo-colonialism.” Addressing a conference on India-Vietnam ties organised at the Teen Murty Bhavan, Mr Madhav said, “It is important for us to make sure that the 21st century version of the same colonialism does not return to haunt us and succeed. Geopolitics in the Indian Ocean region makes the possibility of neo-colonialism a reality with countries trying to dominate others through money, market and through military,” he said.

Besides the Indian and Vietnamese ministers, the ministerial session was participated by Gen. (Dr.) V.K. Singh, Minister of State for External Affairs; Mr. U Kyaw Tint Swe, Union Minister, Ministry of the Office of the State Counsellor, Myanmar and Mr. Hirubalan V P, Deputy Secretary-General for ASEAN Political-Security Community Department, ASEAN Secretariat.

The Delhi Dialogue IX marks the beginning of the celebrations to mark the 25th anniversary of India-ASEAN diplomatic ties. The Vietnamese leader also indicated that a special India-ASEAN summit will be held in 2018.

 

[Barmaley]

Tovarish @Barmaley Do you think this is the very first order of T-90 tanks for Vietnam?

Thats depend from Vietnam and its millitary budget and the priorities in construction of national defence.

If the numbers in wiki right the VN army operating currently around 1000 tanks (T-54, T-55, T-62) and consider this number as optimal to cover defence needs. But i think actuall number of tanks in service is a bit less.

Anyway, thats means Vietnam needs much more modern tanks and 64 tanks isnt enought to cover the needs.

So yeah, its propably first contract and there will be anothers ones signed in near future, but on others terms.

In my opinion Vietnam need at least 500-600 modern MBT and also a big number of modern IFV and APC.

 

[Viet]

Today in the news

Since we are talking of Spanish, the language comes as second most spoken language after English in the United States. That is not surprising due to huge Latin American population. But what is the third most spoken language?

It is surprisingly Vietnamese. That is the finding of US census 2015. Vietnamese has surpassed Chinese and Taralog (a language of the Philippines) to become the third popular spoken language in America on the US State level. Remarkable because the number of Vietnamese is much lower than the Chinese and Filipino.

 

[Viet]

Thats depend from Vietnam and its millitary budget and the priorities in construction of national defence.

If the numbers in wiki right the VN army operating currently around 1000 tanks (T-54, T-55, T-62) and consider this number as optimal to cover defence needs. But i think actuall number of tanks in service is a bit less.

Anyway, thats means Vietnam needs much more modern tanks and 64 tanks isnt enought to cover the needs.

So yeah, its propably first contract and there will be anothers ones signed in near future, but on others terms.

In my opinion Vietnam need at least 500-600 modern MBT and also a big number of modern IFV and APC.

http://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/interfax-nga-se-chuyen-cho-viet-nam-64-xe-tang-t-90-896458.html

the article citing Interfax says VN acquires two T90 variants namely T90S and T90SK. 600 modern tanks sound ok, but if you consider the huge number of Chinese tanks and the enviroment for Vietnam is especially very bad: we have no natural barriers to China (unlike between India and China). Chinese tanks once breaking thru our northern defense lines, they could storm the lower land, the Red river delta very quick. that is evidenced in previous encounters when chinese armor troops advanced as far as Hanoi and beyond before we could have been able to launch counter offensives. In addition we must calculate potential attacks by chinese allies from the southern front (Cambodia) and the western front (Thailand). so from 600 tanks, the number would be reduced to half: 300, that would be deployed in the northern front.

 

[Carlosa]

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[gambit]

It will take another 50 years for VN to recover the wounds being inflicted during the Vietnam war.

No, it should NOT. JPN suffered far worse. You can cite how many tonnages of bombs dropped or Agent Orange use all day long and it will do you no good. The bottom line is that JPN was bombed nearly literally back to the Stone Age, including by nuclear weapons, their ways of life upended by foreigners and made submissive to foreign laws. And yet, JPN recovered and became a dominant power in Asia -- within that 50 yrs time span.

Now look at South Korea for another example and lesson.

The Vietnam War ended 42 yrs ago. Time to stop blaming the war for Viet Nam's problems of today. To make your arguments believable and at least persuasive, if not outright convincing, you must show how Viet Nam suffered the war in ways that JPN and SKR did not, and that the effects are inevitably long term.

You cannot and never will be able to make that argument.

 

[TenLua]

No, it should NOT. JPN suffered far worse. You can cite how many tonnages of bombs dropped or Agent Orange use all day long and it will do you no good. The bottom line is that JPN was bombed nearly literally back to the Stone Age, including by nuclear weapons, their ways of life upended by foreigners and made submissive to foreign laws. And yet, JPN recovered and became a dominant power in Asia -- within that 50 yrs time span.

Now look at South Korea for another example and lesson.

The Vietnam War ended 42 yrs ago. Time to stop blaming the war for Viet Nam's problems of today. To make your arguments believable and at least persuasive, if not outright convincing, you must show how Viet Nam suffered the war in ways that JPN and SKR did not, and that the effects are inevitably long term.

You cannot and never will be able to make that argument.

Japan and those koreans were aided by the US because they lost. VN was sanctioned and embargoed by the west, or, most of the world. Until recently.