Vietnam Defence Forum

[TenLua]

I hope the people in the army follow this thread, reading my posts here
yes, that is what I repeately say since I joined this forum: we need air defence destroyers as the shield of the fleet.

the next war will occur at high sea.

I'm sure they know this, but lack the technology.

Air power have proven to be too effective to ignore.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I hope the people in the army follow this thread, reading my posts here
yes, that is what I repeately say since I joined this forum: we need air defence destroyers as the shield of the fleet.

the next war will occur at high sea.

Each Aegis destroyer costs about 2 billion dollars, same for the SSN.

A single ship is about your annual military expenditure, how you could possibly afford those toys?

 

[hoangsa74]

Each Aegis destroyer costs about 2 billion dollars, same for the SSN.

A single ship is about your annual military expenditure, how you could possibly afford those toys?

2 bil is domestic price only. Export price has to be at least 3 bil. Plus the u.s won't give away aegis tech to a commie country.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

2 bil is domestic price only. Export price has to be at least 3 bil. Plus the u.s won't give away aegis tech to a commie country.

More realistically, Vietnam should stick with those Russian corvettes.

The high tech warship like Aegis is simply too much for Vietnam to handle it.

 

[BoQ77]

I hope the people in the army follow this thread, reading my posts here
yes, that is what I repeately say since I joined this forum: we need air defence destroyers as the shield of the fleet.

What fleet?

 

[Viet]

Each Aegis destroyer costs about 2 billion dollars, same for the SSN.

A single ship is about your annual military expenditure, how you could possibly afford those toys?

Tiger, not buying, the keyword is "developing". Producing components at home as much as possible will bring down the cost. What we need is putting pieces of a puzzle into a picture. I don't feel ashamed if we copy China way of doing business.

The 5,000 ton hull can be assembled by the new Ba Son shipyard. Since a decade we make both active and passive radars. So we don't start from zero. What's missing is ESA. A part of the $1.2 b funds should be allocated to develop such radar later be able to operate on ships. Viettel and other domestic companies make a whole range of software, including for air defense, friend-foe identification. We produce Kh-35 antiship missile. The range is said to be extended to 300 km. We make ship artillery, including Gatling barrel gun.

there are lots of other things we need to import, from diesel engines to missiles. We can buy components we need from Russia, India and other friendly countries or is it a problem? I am willing to bet, a Vietnam made air defense destroyer would cost less than the sum you mentioned.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Tiger, not buying, the keyword is "developing". Producing components at home as much as possible will bring down the cost. What we need is putting pieces of a puzzle into a picture. I don't feel ashamed if we copy China way of doing business.

The 5,000 ton hull can be assembled by the new Ba Son shipyard. Since a decade we make both active and passive radars. So we don't start from zero. What's missing is ESA. A part of the $1.2 b funds should be allocated to develop such radar later be able to operate on ships. Viettel and other domestic companies make a whole range of software, including for air defense, friend-foe identification. We produce Kh-35 antiship missile. The range is said to be extended to 300 km. We make ship artillery, including Gatling barrel gun.

there are lots of other things we need to import, from diesel engines to missiles. We can buy components we need from Russia, India and other friendly countries or is it a problem? I am willing to bet, a Vietnam made air defense destroyer would cost less than the sum you mentioned.

Producing the Aegis alone is an extremely difficult task. Only two countries on the Earth have indigenously producing the Aegis: USA and China.

Japan and South Korea didn't produce their indigenous Aegis, they bought all the critical components including the radars, weapon systems, gas turbines from the US. And the only indigenous component of their Aegis is the hull.

Without a massive complete military industrial complex, it is impossible to produce it on your own.

 

[Viet]

Producing the Aegis alone is an extremely difficult task. Only two countries on the Earth have indigenously producing the Aegis: USA and China.

Japan and South Korea didn't produce their indigenous Aegis, they bought all the critical components including the radars, weapon systems, gas turbines from the US. And the only indigenous component of their Aegis is the hull.

Without a massive complete military industrial complex, it is impossible to produce it on your own.

Lol you love to belittle Japan. Is it only the hull the Japanese are capable to produce? Come on, Japan operates carrier battle groups since decades while you have to start yet. Everything is difficult. Uncle Sam may have interest of selling this and that to Vietnam, who knows, maybe not the most sophisticated toy, but some basic technology is ok too.

 

[xiao qi]

Producing the Aegis alone is an extremely difficult task. Only two countries on the Earth have indigenously producing the Aegis: USA and China.

Japan and South Korea didn't produce their indigenous Aegis, they bought all the critical components including the radars, weapon systems, gas turbines from the US. And the only indigenous component of their Aegis is the hull.

Without a massive complete military industrial complex, it is impossible to produce it on your own.

How about Russia?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lol you love to belittle Japan. Is it only the hull the Japanese are capable to produce? Come on, Japan operates carrier battle groups since decades while you have to start yet. Everything is difficult. Uncle Sam may have interest of selling this and that to Vietnam, who knows, maybe not the most sophisticated toy, but some basic technology is ok too.

I didn't belittle Japan, this is their current capability.

Sure, Japan was once a naval powerhouse back in the WWII, but this is the past, and they have been left behind for more than 70 years.

PS, the WWII carrier and the modern carrier are totally different matter. The modern carrier is by far more complicated to build than the primitive WWII carrier. And Japan didn't have any experience with the modern carrier.

If Japan can build their own Aegis, then they wouldn't need to buy the watered-down version from the US.

How about Russia?

Russia still got the submarine legacy from the USSR. However, their surface fleet has also been left behind.

Some Russian friends might not feel pleasant to hear this fact, but this is the reality for Russia.

With the limited budget, Russia has to secure the nuclear stockpile and nuclear submarine first, and everything else has to be put aside.

 

[Carlosa]

How about Russia?

USA and China are the only 2 countries that produced a domestically designed AEGIS type air defense destroyer. Russia has the naval version of the S-300 and they are deploying the naval version of the S-400 in the upgraded Kirov class cruisers and later the naval version of S-500 in the upcoming LEADER destroyers.

China produces a copycat system based on the Russian naval S-300 from the cruisers that bought from Russia and is not clear how good is it. Talk is cheap, only results count and so far China is all talk and more talk.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Lol you love to belittle Japan. Is it only the hull the Japanese are capable to produce? Come on, Japan operates carrier battle groups since decades while you have to start yet. Everything is difficult. Uncle Sam may have interest of selling this and that to Vietnam, who knows, maybe not the most sophisticated toy, but some basic technology is ok too.

Its best to not not reply such supidity.

By him indeed Type 45 is a battleship, Vizag & Kolkata class is Galleon, and Japan even dont exist on earth.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

USA and China are the only 2 countries that produced a domestically designed AEGIS type air defense destroyer. Russia has the naval version of the S-300 and they are deploying the naval version of the S-400 in the upgraded Kirpv class cruisers and later the naval version of S-500 in the upcoming LEADER destroyers.

China produces a copycat system based on the Russian naval S-300 from the cruisers that bought from Russia and is not clear how good is it. Talk is cheap, only results count and so far China is all talk and more talk.

Nope, the Chinese copycat of the S-300 is the HQ-15, not the HQ-9.

https://defence.pk/threads/hq-15-the-chinese-version-of-s-300.149043/

Aegis is an entire defence system, not just the SAM. The Kirov class has the air defence system. However, it is no Aegis, so it cannot simultaneously deal with multiple targets.

 

[BoQ77]

@ahojunk : Aegis isn't what much related to Vietnam
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Vietnam could utilize some dozens of Spratly islands and reefs and shoals they occupied, by make a little of land reclamation on them.

Put a early warning radar and some weather-sealed batteries of precise artillery like EXTRA to them.

It's cheap and cost very little of maintenance

Thales Coast Watchers 100

 

[ahojunk]

@BoQ77 , I read through previous posts, and I think Aegis has some relevance in the discussions.

I think the discussions were quite civil. Good job.

However, let's get back to discussing "Vietnam military news".

If the mods are too strict, you will complain that there is no freedom of speech.

This thread will be boring.

Tip: If someone tries to derail this thread, just ignore his post and he will go away.