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India gives Vietnam $500 mn for defence spending
https://www.yahoo.com/news/india-gives-vietnam-500-mn-defence-spending-072656196.html

India said on Saturday it is giving Vietnam half a billion dollars in credit to boost defence ties, the latest security deal between the two nations seeking to counter Beijing's muscle-flexing in the South China Sea.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi made the announcement during a visit to Hanoi, which has gone on a spending spree in recent years to expand and modernise its military arsenal amid territorial disputes with Beijing in the strategically vital waterway.

"I am also happy to announce a new defence credit for Vietnam of $500 million for facilitating deeper defence cooperation," Modi told reporters after signing the deal.

He did not specify details of the arrangement, but traditionally such lines of credit would oblige Vietnam to sign contracts with Indian companies.

About 50 percent of India's trade passes through the South China Sea, where Beijing has built up islands and outcrops capable of supporting military activities to the chagrin of Vietnam and other claimants.

Vietnam's Prime Minister praised its close friendship with India Saturday during the visit -- the first by an Indian premier in 15 years and part of New Delhi's "Act East Policy" to strengthen economic and security ties with east Asian neighbours.

"(We) discussed matters concerning the East Sea," Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc told reporters.

"All sides must peacefully solve East Sea disputes based on international laws," he added of the contested waterway, where the Philippines, Brunei, Taiwan and Malaysia also have claims.

The latest defence deal follows a similar announcement in 2014 when India agreed to give Vietnam a $100 million line of credit to buy naval patrol boats, a move that likely rankled China.

Beijing has previously criticised India's cooperation with Vietnam in the defence sector, and India has its own frosty history with China following a brief but bloody border war in 1962.

Vietnam was the eighth largest importer of arms between 2011 and 2015, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, up from a rank of 43 in the previous five-year period.

The communist country is increasingly looking to new partners to replace or update Soviet-era military equipment, including the United States which lifted a Cold War-era arms embargo in May.

Vietnam expert Carl Thayer said Modi's trip was Vietnam's way of showing it has other friends in the region.

"Vietnam is playing that game: 'Come on, China, get close to us, cooperate, but if you don't we can move to India or we'll go talk to you after the Prime Minister of India has just been through,'" he said.

India and Vietnam signed a dozen agreements in all, including a $5 million deal to build a technology park in the coastal resort city of Nha Trang.

Vietnam is pushing to become a key player in Southeast Asia's tech scene as it looks to diversify exports beyond manufacturing and agriculture.

Modi also visited the tomb of Vietnam's independence leader and communist crusader Ho Chi Minh, posting a photo on Twitter of the monument where the embalmed national hero is on display, saying: "Paid tributes to one of Asia's tallest leaders, the great Ho Chi Minh."

Modi is scheduled to fly out later Saturday to attend the G20 summit in Hangzhou China along with other world leaders. He will then head to Laos for a summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), and will attend an ASEAN-India Summit on September 8.
 
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the news is already posted. I added here more pictures and comments. Field testing of Vietnam made 5.56 x 45mm and 7,62 x 51mm standard NATO calibre ammunition. So should the NATO ever face shortage, the alliance can place orders at Vietnam ammunition factories.


test firing with 5.56 x 45 mm NATO calibre

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test firing with 7.62 x 51 mm NATO calibre
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I ask you a question, what type of ammunition for Vietnam CAR-15 or M16?
 
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I ask you a question, what type of ammunition for Vietnam CAR-15 or M16?
What is your Intention of asking me such question? I have neither rifles at home if it is what you want to know.
 
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what a surprise! thank you for the information.

ok why not talk on how the Navy can acquire a squadron nuclear submarines armed with SLBM? any idea?

No one will sell you that.

The US only sells the SLBM to the UK because they have the blood connection. Still, the technology remains confidential, and the US won't allow any UK expert to inspect the Trident missiles.
 
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What is your Intention of asking me such question? I have neither rifles at home if it is what you want to know.

I means Vietnam used a lot of them and make ammunition for them decades ago.

Yes, but don't forget that a nuclear sub is 2 billion usd. Vietnam paid 1.8 billion for 6 Kilos.

nearly 3 billion
 
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Aegis is not just a ship-based air defense system. It's a complex network of multiple ship-based ADS connected by an unified datalink, allowing them to distribute target acquisition/engagement.

Tiger was right, only the US (has been) and China (developing) a complete Aegis or Aegis-like system. Russia has strong naval ADS, but they lack the unified coordination and combat management system. It's more like several individual ADS.

Vietnam is way too far from getting hands on Aegis technology. I think we should focus primarily on medium and long range air defense system for surface ships first. Currently Vietnamese warships only have short range ADS and CIWS, we simply have no fleet air defense at all.

The real name for China's Aegis is Star Ocean, it coincidentally shares a same name with a JRPG game.

Yep, only the US Aegis and China's Star Ocean are the two only Aegis systems in the world. And China is adding more capabilities like the missile defense system and land attack capability in its Star Ocean like the US Aegis.
 
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I means Vietnam used a lot of them and make ammunition for them decades ago.

nearly 3 billion

The 3 billion includes other things such us building a sub base, a sub training center, etc, etc.
The subs themselves were 1.8 billion, 300 million per sub. No matter what sub you choose, you have to spend that additional money for those other things. Also, dealing with a nuclear reactor is expensive in many ways and once the sub is decommissioned, have to spend a small fortune to dispose of the nuclear reactor, fuel rods, etc. Its a big issue. Only big powers with deep pockets can afford nuclear subs.

The real name for China's Aegis is Star Ocean, it coincidentally shares a same name with a JRPG game.

Yep, only the US Aegis and China's Star Ocean are the two only Aegis systems in the world. And China is adding more capabilities like the missile defense system and land attack capability in its Star Ocean like the US Aegis.

Star Ocean is in development. What type 52D destroyers have is far from being an AEGIS system. HQ-9 is not an AEGIS system. Development and deployed are 2 different things. Maybe type 55 cruiser will have it, but remains to be seen.
 
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Then you living in world of la la land and dont know a shit about Project Sangrika.

Also about current DPRK's SLBM.

My suggestion, leave your cookoo land.

DPRK has the short ranged liquid fuel SLBM.

However, DPRK always got better heavy industry than Vietnam, but Vietnam is only better at the light industry.

Star Ocean is in development. What type 52D destroyers have is far from being an AEGIS system. HQ-9 is not an AEGIS system. Development and deployed are 2 different things. Maybe type 55 cruiser will have it, but remains to be seen.

Type 052C = Star Ocean 1.0
Type 052D = Star Ocean 2.0
Type 055 = Star Ocean 3.0

You information regards China is always outdated Mr. Spaniard.
 
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save us some pages for not bring China whatever Aegis thing over here.

Heavy frigates or light destroyers as you may call are more realistic to Vietnam Navy

That 's why I said Aegis thing isnt much relevant.
 
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DPRK has the short ranged liquid fuel SLBM.

However, DPRK always got better heavy industry than Vietnam, but Vietnam is only better at the light industry.



Type 052C = Star Ocean 1.0
Type 052D = Star Ocean 2.0
Type 055 = Star Ocean 3.0

You information regards China is always outdated Mr. Spaniard.

What I'm trying to say is that its a work in progress that is definitely not at the level of AEGIS, maybe it will be in the future, but not right now. It requires more development to be at the level of AEGIS. Maybe type 55, but remains to be seen.

You always take credit for more capability than what is currently fielded Mr. Han man. You recently said that China has a global strike system, but it does not, its in development. That's my point.
 
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I means Vietnam used a lot of them and make ammunition for them decades ago.
You mean we can make NATO ammo since 10 years? Can you provide source?

No one will sell you that.

The US only sells the SLBM to the UK because they have the blood connection. Still, the technology remains confidential, and the US won't allow any UK expert to inspect the Trident missiles.
Not mine. I know we can't. But if you want you can ask BoQ how we can buy US nuclear submarine and F-35 because he means we can. I have no clue. My comment was purely ironical.

save us some pages for not bring China whatever Aegis thing over here.

Heavy frigates or light destroyers as you may call are more realistic to Vietnam Navy

That 's why I said Aegis thing isnt much relevant.
It is not you to decide what relevant or not. When will you learn it?
 
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What I'm trying to say is that its a work in progress that is definitely not at the level of AEGIS, maybe it will be in the future, but not right now. It requires more development to be at the level of AEGIS. Maybe type 55, but remains to be seen.

You always take credit for more capability than what is currently fielded Mr. Han man. You recently said that China has a global strike system, but it does not, its in development. That's my point.

As I mentioned before, our Star Ocean only needs to add the capabilities such as the land attack and missile defense in order to fully match the US Aegis.

Also, regardless about China global strike system is ready or not, it is still by far more advanced than anyone else on this planet. Do you have any objection with that?

Not mine. I know we can't. But if you want you can ask BoQ how we can buy US nuclear submarine and F-35 because he means we can. I have no clue. My comment was purely ironical.

Self-made the SLBM is extremely hard. Otherwise, UK wouldn't give it up.

India and NK are only at the elementary level of this.
 
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You mean we can make NATO ammo since 10 years? Can you provide source?


Not mine. I know we can't. But if you want you can ask BoQ how we can buy US nuclear submarine and F-35 because he means we can. I have no clue. My comment was purely ironical.


It is not you to decide what relevant or not. When will you learn it?

more than 10 year. yes. not can or cant but why.
You could start to explain why Vietnam need to make 5.56.
 
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