Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

Are you on vacation?

Yeah...I like your way of thinking. Yes, pls tell him we need 6 aegis destroyers, for building the 3 fleets. Thank you.

I'll also remind him that you want all that hardware as non refundable aid, Israeli style.
Yes, having a vacation, I definitely need a vacation after 1 month in China.

Khmer Krom Protesters Burn Vietnamese Flag
BY MECH DARA AND MATT BLOMBERG | AUGUST 13, 2014
Monks and nationalist protesters burned a Vietnamese flag in front of the Vietnamese Embassy on Tuesday as the embassy continued to ignore calls to apologize for comments made by a diplomat in July.

About 600 protesters gathered at the embassy once again to press for a retraction of spokesman Tran Van Thong’s comments that the Kampuchea Krom provinces in present-day Southern Vietnam were under Vietnamese control long before colonial France officially ceded them in 1949.

Monks and protesters burn a Vietnamese flag Tuesday in front of the Vietnamese Embassy in Phnom Penh during a protest against controversial claims by a Vietnamese diplomat over the history of Kampuchea Krom in this photo circulated on Facebook.

The demonstration proceeded peacefully until about 2:30 p.m., when the flag was brought forward and Seung Hai, a monk who has been a prominent figure at the two-day protest, took the lead.

As the flag was lit for a brief moment, two protesters—a monk and a layman—stepped forward and urged the protesters to remain true to their pledge of nonviolence. But Seung Hai continued to agitate.

“How long can we remain nonviolent?” he replied to calls to remain calm. “This is Vietnam’s problem.”

After a few minutes of debate, the flag was finally torched, then stomped and spat on by monks and laymen alike.

Thach Setha, executive director of the Khmer Kampuchea Krom Community and the protest’s figurehead, could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

But City Hall spokesman Long Dimanche said that Mr. Setha, during a meeting with the municipality Tuesday, disavowed any association with the flag-burners.

“He said the people in front of the embassy do not belong to his group,” Mr. Dimanche said of Mr. Setha, a member of the opposition CNRP’s standing committee.

Mr. Dimanche said those who burned the flag would be punished.

“It is a group of anarchists…we have not decided how to punish them yet but we will wait and see.”
Khmer Krom Protesters Burn Vietnamese Flag | The Cambodia Daily

VN has just given an order to punish those guys .

Some people live and dream in the past !

 

[Nike]

those monks have I-phone

 

[ANMDT]

72 F-16's C/D version, block 52 and a dozen P-3 C Orions as well. I'll mention to him about your request for some Aegis destroyers also

Khmer Krom Protesters Burn Vietnamese Flag
BY MECH DARA AND MATT BLOMBERG | AUGUST 13, 2014
Monks and nationalist protesters burned a Vietnamese flag in front of the Vietnamese Embassy on Tuesday as the embassy continued to ignore calls to apologize for comments made by a diplomat in July.

About 600 protesters gathered at the embassy once again to press for a retraction of spokesman Tran Van Thong’s comments that the Kampuchea Krom provinces in present-day Southern Vietnam were under Vietnamese control long before colonial France officially ceded them in 1949.

Monks and protesters burn a Vietnamese flag Tuesday in front of the Vietnamese Embassy in Phnom Penh during a protest against controversial claims by a Vietnamese diplomat over the history of Kampuchea Krom in this photo circulated on Facebook.

The demonstration proceeded peacefully until about 2:30 p.m., when the flag was brought forward and Seung Hai, a monk who has been a prominent figure at the two-day protest, took the lead.

As the flag was lit for a brief moment, two protesters—a monk and a layman—stepped forward and urged the protesters to remain true to their pledge of nonviolence. But Seung Hai continued to agitate.

“How long can we remain nonviolent?” he replied to calls to remain calm. “This is Vietnam’s problem.”

After a few minutes of debate, the flag was finally torched, then stomped and spat on by monks and laymen alike.

Thach Setha, executive director of the Khmer Kampuchea Krom Community and the protest’s figurehead, could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

But City Hall spokesman Long Dimanche said that Mr. Setha, during a meeting with the municipality Tuesday, disavowed any association with the flag-burners.

“He said the people in front of the embassy do not belong to his group,” Mr. Dimanche said of Mr. Setha, a member of the opposition CNRP’s standing committee.

Mr. Dimanche said those who burned the flag would be punished.

“It is a group of anarchists…we have not decided how to punish them yet but we will wait and see.”
Khmer Krom Protesters Burn Vietnamese Flag | The Cambodia Daily

VN has just given an order to punish those guys .

You should be already knew the story even better than me about khmer rouge , and recently they are convicted .
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/w...r-leaders-are-convicted-in-cambodia.html?_r=0

Also Vietnam's role in what happened in Cambodia is also clear as the fact .

Maybe those people outrage should be understood as these people;

2014 Vietnam anti-China protests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

one more thing i realized in the link i gave, HCM city mentioned as saigon , is the "saigon" still in use or its a misunderstood in wikipedia , guys you should correct it

 

[Viet]

one more thing i realized in the link i gave, HCM city mentioned as saigon , is the "saigon" still in use or its a misunderstood in wikipedia , guys you should correct it

well, Saigon was renamed to HCM city after 1975 when Vietnam re-united.
nevertheless the name Saigon still remains and is the first quarter (downtown) of the large HCM city.

 

[ANMDT]

well, Saigon was renamed to HCM city after 1975 when Vietnam re-united.
nevertheless the name Saigon still remains and is the first quarter (downtown) of the large HCM city.

dont you guys feel irritated to see Saigon ,is being used insted of HCM ? Isnt there somethng ruled by government on this?
Usually vietnamese from south who fled to world in times of tet offensive keeps calling that city to be saigon .
thats why i asked you guys can correct the saigon to be HCM in the wikipedia page i have given .

 

[Viet]

meeting between General Dempsey and Prime Minister Nguyen
Dempsey says the US wants to be a good partner of Vietnam and will helps it meet challenges in defending marine sovereignty.

sounds very good to me.

 

[Viet]

dont you guys feel irritated to see Saigon ,is being used insted of HCM ? Isnt there somethng ruled by government on this?
Usually vietnamese from south who fled to world in times of tet offensive keeps calling that city to be saigon .
thats why i asked you guys can correct the saigon to be HCM in the wikipedia page i have given .

I always use the name Saigon. why should I get being irritated?
other call HCM, myself and many other use Saigon.

 

[Viet]

Gen. Petr Pavel, Chief of the Staff of Armed Forces of the Czech Republic visiting Hanoi
besides usual rhetoric, not much is known about the talk.

 

[ANMDT]

I always use the name Saigon. why should I get being irritated?
other call HCM, myself and many other use Saigon.

Its named to honour Ho chi ming, isnt it right ? Among the vietnamese i met , i often saw they call it HCM rather than saigon ,and seems they couldnt tolerate to hear Saigon .
Maybe it was my misinterpretation

 

[Viet]

Its named to honour Ho chi ming, isnt it right ? Among the vietnamese i met , i often saw they call it HCM rather than saigon ,and seems they couldnt tolerate to hear Saigon .
Maybe it was my misinterpretation

where are you in Vietnam? most Southern Vietnamese call Saigon.
Beware! if you say HCM to overseas Vietnamese especially in the United States, you may get a slap in the face.

 

[ANMDT]

where are you in Vietnam? most Southern Vietnamese call Saigon.
Beware! if you say HCM to overseas Vietnamese especially in the United States, you may get a slap in the face.

Currently not in Vietnam
Anyway i already said about those VNmese on overseas fled during tet offensive, they dont like to hear HCM , or Even " Ho " , And i didnt know there still called saigon , good to know this .

 

[Viet]

Currently not in Vietnam
Anyway i already said about those VNmese on overseas fled during tet offensive, they dont like to hear HCM , or Even " Ho " , And i didnt know there still called saigon , good to know this .

No, actually there were many migration waves

- during French colonisation period many Vietnamese migrated to France (19 century).
- when South Vietnam collapsed (1975).
- when the economy collapsed following cambodia war (1978), chinese invasion (1979) and american sanction.
- when the government sent hundred of thousands to socialist brother states to work. many chosed to stay in those countries when the communist bloc collapsed (in the 1990s).

officially Saigon is the downtown (first quarter) of HCM city. Saigon is still commonly used in daily language. there is Saigon tourist, a state owned tourism company. the German airliner Lufthansa uses Saigon when referring to HCM city. just to name a few examples.

 

[vtnsx]

No, actually there were many migration waves

- during French colonisation period many Vietnamese migrated to France (19 century).
- when South Vietnam collapsed (1975).
- when the economy collapsed following cambodia war (1978), chinese invasion (1979) and american sanction.
- when the government sent hundred of thousands to socialist brother states to work. many chosed to stay in those countries when the communist bloc collapsed (in the 1990s).

officially Saigon is the downtown (first quarter) of HCM city. Saigon is still commonly used in daily language. there is Saigon tourist, a state owned tourism company. the German airliner Lufthansa uses Saigon when referring to HCM city. just to name a few examples.

I still call it saigon because it's easier to say it than Ho Chi Minh.

 

[NiceGuy]

Russia plant to set up air defense system service centers in Algeria, Vietnam, India and China.

“We should help our friends and allies ensure their defense capability. We will set more serious tasks for our enterprises in order to fulfil the future export obligations to the partners, including deliveries abroad,” he said.

The S-400 Triumph long-and medium-range system is capable of guiding up to 72 missiles and engaging up to 36 targets simultaneously within the range of 400 kilometres.

Russian air defense systems manufacturer Almaz-Antei is in talks over setting up service centers in Algeria, Vietnam, India and China, a company official said at the Oboronexpo 2014 arms exhibition on Friday
ITAR-TASS: Russia - Russia's latest air defense system S-400 licensed for export

Seems like Russia is going to sell S-400 soon.

 

[NiceGuy]

America wants joint exercises with Vietnam
by blavender, &myca

• August 15, 2014

Pentagon occasion of General Do Ba Ty upper mid-June, an American army general showed a map Ty minister mounted 7 star marking the place of large joint military exercises with the participation America's military, and said: "it would be great if you add a star here in Vietnam".

During a visit to Army base Lewis-McChord joint, Washington, on 18.6, General Chief of Staff of the Vietnam People's Army, Deputy Defense Minister Do Ba Ty was Lt. Gen. Robert Brown, commander of I Corps , welcome, site of the American army said.

There, the minister heard Ty Brown presented the rebalancing strategy in the Pacific corps I.
"We want to move to South East Asia. This is where we're not able to because we are interfering in other parts of the world. Deploy more forces to Southeast Asia to coordinate work with great partners like you will be part of a strategy to rebalance the American military, "Mr. Brown told the Minister Ty.

Brown also introduced to the upper Minister Ty a map attached 7 star marking the place large joint exercises with the participation of American troops in 2014.
That includes exercises at the Yakima Sports in the state of Washington, in Australia, Thailand, Japan, Korea, the Philippines and in the State of Hawaii.
"It would be great if you add a star right here, in Vietnam," Mr. Brown said.

American Lieutenant General added that the key point in the near future the two countries can be trained with each other, or that American troops from Vietnam to train or vice versa, or 2 troops in both countries to focus Vietnam and the United States.
"There is nothing that the state can not solve when combined together," Lt. Gen. Brown declared, referring to the threats like piracy, terrorism and natural disasters.

America may loosen ban on arms damage to Vietnam in early September, according to the AP.
America wants joint exercises with Vietnam - Bubblews