Vietnam celebrate the overall assembly the 6th domestic Molniya missile boat

[BoQ77]

I would say 100 km is safe enough for Chinese fleet, 300KM is safe even for civil ships..
Without coast defense, your fighter and warship has no advantage vs Chinese fleet..
The anti-ship capability? 300 km away you even don`t know where is the enemy fleet?
Fire as blind??

It's so funny. Vietnam has tons of good radars. Even a Molniya fire-test already hit the target at 120km distance.

 

[BoQ77]

you miss one thing, Chinese second artillery. China is learning from the US about joint battle, so you can't ignore this force.

Other countries could never suffer, Vietnam suffered a lot more than 2nd artillery.
Let's study about the weight of the payload. For example : DF-21 : 600kg

The Boeing B-52 Stratofortress is a long-range, subsonic, jet-powered strategic bomber. The B-52 was designed and built by Boeing, which has continued to provide support and upgrades. It has been operated by the United States Air Force (USAF) since the 1950s. The bomber is capable of carrying up to 70,000 pounds (32,000 kg) of weapons.

 

[hans]

China operate the 022 fast boat at certain purpose..
At that time, Taiwan independence and US fleet supporting Taiwan were main target of China force..
As Taiwan is only 130KM away from mainland China, fast boat can run close and fire together with other ships..
This will enhance the anti-ship capacity of China force..
Also PLAF can cover near mainland China..

But in case of Vietnam, their air force is not enough to cover their Navy..
Their Navy is so weak.Their missile stock is very limited.
This kind of tactic will not work...
You see China also no longer develop fast boat

@hans: Doesn't china operate a massive fleet of fast missile boats? If they're as useless as you say they are, then how do they fit into the Chinese Naval doctrine?
India has been an operator of missile boats since their early days, but has stopped induction of any new classes since the last 20 years.

052D can find the fast boat first, fire first
Even the fast boat fires, the 052D can shoot these missile down..
To sink a 052d, You need many missiles, probably whole stock of Vietnam navy...
China build 022 for its special purpose. You can refer to my previous post...

wrong observation..war gets fought based on one time frame.I don't want to say anything about your TYPE-52D etc,but every kind of warships are vulnerable to these ships,as their capability to sneak in and strike.

meanwhile,China use these..

Type 022 missile boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sword1947]

In a defensive, Vietnamese Navy + coastal defense + air support can wreck massive damage for the PLAN's South Sea Fleet. The Chinese know this, thus the reason why they would prefer to evade in a coastal conflict, but in the open seas where Vietnam's coastal defense and air support are either mitigated and or can be negated.

Vietnam's defense procurement program enables her to have an potent defense against even the PLAN. Provided they don't go beyond their ASI. This is the very reason why both sides defer conflict and settle this diplomatically.



Of course. But I hardly doubt the Vietnamese would harken to a Vietnamese Admiral who would send missile boats that far out to sea , far from their supply lines. The Vietnamese, if one reviews their military history, have always been defensive, and if ever they engage in limited offensives, their establishment takes are not to overstretch their supply lines.

Vietnam cannot afford to initiate offensives against a military power like China. Defensively, yes, thats a different matter.

you miss another thing, south Chinese sea fleet also have air force support. our fleet is not standing alone, we also have military satellites, Naval air force, Army air force & Airforce, they also can protect our fleet in modern war. Please remember that we will never leave our fleet fighting with the enemy alone.

 

[hans]

If you guide the missile with plane or ship, it can find and hit target 100KM away..
Yet do you think the enemy fleet will allow an enemy guiding plane or ship exist and wait for missile strike?
These plane or ship will be first take down..

It's so funny. Vietnam has tons of good radars. Even a Molniya fire-test already hit the target at 120km distance.

 

[BoQ77]

you miss another thing, south Chinese sea fleet also have air force support. our fleet is not standing alone, we also have military satellites, Naval air force, Army air force & Airforce, they also can protect our fleet in modern war. Please remember that we will never leave our fleet fighting with the enemy alone.

 

[hans]

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....不作死就不会死

 

[BoQ77]

If you guide the missile with plane or ship, it can find and hit target 100KM away..
Yet do you think the enemy fleet will allow an enemy guiding plane or ship exist and wait for missile strike?
These plane or ship will be first take down..

Right..But if China south sea fleet stay away like 120KM off Vietnam coast, then these boat and plane can hardly harm the fleet..
Of course China will not land in Vietnam or start a land war..
It is out of controll

I would say 100 km is safe enough for Chinese fleet, 300KM is safe even for civil ships..
Without coast defense, your fighter and warship has no advantage vs Chinese fleet..
The anti-ship capability? 300 km away you even don`t know where is the enemy fleet?
Fire as blind??

Let others explain to you.

 

[sword1947]

Sorry @hans: 300km off Vietnam coast is not the safe distance.
You read the air defense of Molniya but don't read the antiship ability ( the biggest value of that type )

all south china sea and vietnam is in China second artillery attack range, how do you deal with it?

 

[Aepsilons]

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[hans]

I would suggest to understand how modern missile works..
The missile radar can see only around 30KM
Before missile can acquire the target, it need to be guided.
If you don`t have a guide system or plane, the missile range is pretty low...
200km max range is most ideal, in real war, it is much less..

Let others explain to you.

 

[sword1947]

Other countries could never suffer, Vietnam suffered a lot more than 2nd artillery.
Let's study about the weight of the payload. For example : DF-21 : 600kg

WS rocket will fulfill this mission

 

[BoQ77]

all south china sea and vietnam is in China second artillery attack range, how do you deal with it?

as I said, we suffered much more than the potential damage that 2nd artillery could make.
Let study about the payload of DF-21, DF-15 ...

 

[hans]

Why Chine need to attack Vietnam inland..
Disable the Vietnam Navy and air force, disable its capacity in SCS is sufficient..
Nobody want a land war...

WS rocket will fulfill this mission

 

[sword1947]

Sure, if you want to expand this into a land war. I doubt that would be to the interest in both sides.

war is always out of control, we just learn from the US