Vietnam building deterrent against China in disputed seas with submarines

[NiceGuy]

Low IQ indeed. You got it the other way around. It's the Russian who can give your officials some bribe. You think VN is an economic powerhouse already that can pay other country bribe money? lol.

And just because they offer you credit line doesn't mean they can't offer your officials some cash bribe beforehand in order to make your negotiator sign the agreement. They will then just debit on your credit line, which will be part of the agreement signed by your officials.

Okay, they still can give some bribe, but what will they got in return ?? just fish, shoes, milk only and its impossible to hide those 'bribe' in Swiss bank, dude .

I think you need to save the fish. Your govt will need your tax money to compensate those riot victims that your official recently promised.

Okay, now, we give them the right to fish in our sea, and the fish they catch will be our compensation to them

Didn't I say before that I'll give a you a break cos is boring to argue with you? now you still want to talk with me and prove your low IQ? Did your officer instruct you to debate me because I mentioned the VCP?

Right, he just given me a moon cake (price is 2 USD much higher than 50 cent) and order me to debate with u again even Im so fed up with some low IQ like u

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Talking about sinking ship and sub is only for fun. The truth is, if fire breaks out between VN and China, I'm not sure if you even have a chance to use your Ships and Subs.

China can easily do surgical strikes against all your military ports, including your sub Base. They have the capability to reach all your ports from their land based missiles. They can mass produce these missile if needed, so I don't think your air defence can cope with their saturated missile strikes.

The best you could do is make a pre-emptive strike against some of their ports and ships and damage a few, but in return, all your bases, airfields, and coastal ports will be annihilated. Your Ships and Subs will be homeless, if they weren't destroyed at their ports already. You then won't even have the means to harass the SCS trade route that niceguy always dreamed about.

Really? In 1979, the chinese thought that they could eat breakfast in Hanoi, had lunch in Hue City, and had dinner in HCMC. But what was result? They were not able to move so far from the frontier, even they were forced to kneel, like this:

 

[sincity]

2 Kilo submarine enough to deter China? Is OP out of his or her mind? Even US carrier strike force couldn't deter China action in SCS let alone 2 Kilo submarine from Vietnam, I thought Vietnam atleast 20 Kilo submarine along with surface battleship and 100 of fighter jets to match China navy in SCS.

 

[William Hung]

Really? In 1979, the chinese thought that they could eat breakfast in Hanoi, had lunch in Hue City, and had dinner in HCMC. But what was result? They were not able to move so far from the frontier, even they were forced to kneel, like this:

Like I said, silly comparison. Like the US, China didn't have any intention to have an all out war with North VN. It was a limited attack, and whether it was successful or not it is up to you. I can accept that it didn't go as the PLA generals wanted. And today, China still do not need to declare an all out war or even send anyone down across your border. A mass surgical strike is enough to disable most of your military hardware. Tell me, how are you going to defend against saturated missile strikes?

Stop living in the past.

What happened in 1988? was VPA able to do anything? that event should give you some idea about the limits of your military.

 

[Jlaw]

Right, in VN war, we r no match to USN & USAF, as our great general Vo Nguyen Giap said :"US army can crush VN army within 2 hours if we fight face-to- face with them ", so we just focus in using torpedo & SAM missile .

Same tactic will be used to counter PLAN & PLAAF, no need to waste life and ship in an all out confrontation with China. Missile launched from shore-Kilos- Molniya missile corvette to sink China warship is a better choice .


Yep, seem like Russia export this version for VN only coz its a deadly attack machine, can be used to invade our neighbours,too



Becareful, the "mysterious forces" may come back and kill your poor soldiers mercilessly again like the incident in Gaven reef in 1990 when 11 Chinese troops were killed mercilessly, and China still dare not open an investigation untill now .

OH NOSE, the Sappers. Vietnam invincible fighters that can kill sharks, jump over building in a single leap and kung fu the crap out of soldiers.

 

[NiceGuy]

Wasting my time again. Read my post to Viet again. In return, the Russian get the Viet negotiator to sign the contract the Russian want.

Offering your country credit line doesn't mean it's free, you will still pay it all back in the end.

Even if you pay some of it by chicken, it doesn't mean your govt send a container of chicken to the rosoboronexport office. Either you are stupid or pretending to be stupid. Whatever the case it's not worth my time replying to you.
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So, what kind of contract the Russian want in VN ?? and when did we sign it ?? dont just keep guess guess , I also can guess that China offer u some bones to keep barking & biting at VN

If you are fed with me, then why did you initiate this conversation by quoting me?? I didn't quote you. Did someone force you to debate me? poor guy, I'll give you a rest now.

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Bcz u post lots of bad things abt VN when u dont have any evidence abt it and Mod dont ban u for trolling , so I have to notice the mod again abt ur violation of forum rules when bad mouthing to other nations without any solid evidence

Pls notice that u r violating forum rules when insult other nations without any solid evidence.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Like I said, silly comparison. Like the US, China didn't have any intention to have an all out war with North VN. It was a limited attack, and whether it was successful or not it is up to you. I can accept that it didn't go as the PLA generals wanted. And today, China still do not need to declare an all out war or even send anyone down across your border. A mass surgical strike is enough to disable most of your military hardware. Tell me, how are you going to defend against saturated missile strikes?

Stop living in the past.

What happened in 1988? was VPA able to do anything? that event should give you some idea about the limits of your military.

You know that the chinee coveted so much Spratly Islands, but it was unable to go too far in 198x, while Vietnam was completely isolated....

Compare with history of thousands of years, since Vietnamese defeated the Mongol Empire three times, 1979 is considered to be not too far...

 

[William Hung]

So, what kind of contract the Russian want in VN ?? and when did we sign it ?? dont just keep guess guess , I also can guess that China offer u some bones to keep barking & biting at VN


Bcz u post lots of bad things abt VN when u dont have any evidence abt it and Mod dont ban u for trolling , so I have to notice the mod again abt ur violation of forum rules when bad mouthing to other nations without any solid evidence

Pls notice that u r violating forum rules when insult other nations without any solid evidence.

I wonder why you are so angry?

Someone asked why VN don't buy Euro subs. I said Vietnamese taxpayer will never know why. Your sub deal was made behind closed doors and that is a fact. I said behind closed doors anything could happen, bribe or no bribe. That is also a fact.

I always wonder why you get so mad when someone mention your govt?? You quoted me first, I wasn't even talking to you. No other Viet members here get mad like you do and extremely sensitive about defending your govt.

When I see something negative about VN, I say it out because my future wife will be from VN and it breaks my heart seeing someone cheating with her tax money from her hard work.

You know that the chinee coveted so much Spratly Islands, but it was unable to go too far in 198x, while Vietnam was completely isolated....

Compare with history of thousands of years, since Vietnamese defeated the Mongol Empire three times, 1979 is considered to be not too far...

My point was, 1988 shows that your military has its limit, very strong limit. And your Soviet friend in Cam Ranh couldn't do anything either.

Honestly bro I do not care about the SCS anymore. Whether this country or that country owns it will not change my life.

 

[Nike]

if you want to ask my opinion about the Vietnamese Kilo class, yes indeed those subs will and has give Vietnam People Navy an incredible boost for deterrence at sea and a much of technological leaps for them. But surely Vietnam people Navy needed much more time to utilize those subs at their full potential, as you can see Vietnam just learned to operating their sub recently and spending much more time at docks than exercise their muscles at open seas. And one thing must be taken into notes, Vietnam navy doesn't operating much surveillance and hydro-oceanographic vessels to mapping the contour of their own ocean floor, doesn't have any Submarine tender vessel, doesn't have any other Submarine bases except their Cam Ranh Base and surely giving them a vulnerable prepositions as enemy know the exact locations of Vietnam fleet berth and bases. It still a long road for Vietnam Navy to give a shot with their Kilos submarines.

 

[NiceGuy]

I wonder why you are so angry?

Someone asked why VN don't buy Euro subs. I said Vietnamese taxpayer will never know why. Your sub deal was made behind closed doors and that is a fact. I said behind closed doors anything could happen, bribe or no bribe. That is also a fact.

I always wonder why you get so mad when someone mention your govt?? You quoted me first, I wasn't even talking to you. No other Viet members here get mad like you do and extremely sensitive about defending your govt.

When I see something negative about VN, I say it out because my future wife will be from VN and it breaks my heart seeing someone cheating with her tax money from her hard work.
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Okay, u said u r in Indonesia and looking for an Indonesian girl, right ?? pls tell me does Indonesia show all in detail abt the price of which weapons , which additional order they buy from Russia ?? if Yes, then how do people know it is a trusted sources

Why dont u care abt a country where u wanna live instead of talking nonsense abt VN-Russia deal ??

if you want to ask my opinion about the Vietnamese Kilo class, yes indeed those subs will and has give Vietnam People Navy an incredible boost for deterrence at sea and a much of technological leaps for them. But surely Vietnam people Navy needed much more time to utilize those subs at their full potential, as you can see Vietnam just learned to operating their sub recently and spending much more time at docks than exercise their muscles at open seas. And one thing must be taken into notes, Vietnam navy doesn't operating much surveillance and hydro-oceanographic vessels to mapping the contour of their own ocean floor, doesn't have any Submarine tender vessel, doesn't have any other Submarine bases except their Cam Ranh Base and surely giving them a vulnerable prepositions as enemy know the exact locations of Vietnam fleet berth and bases. It still a long road for Vietnam Navy to give a shot with their Kilos submarines.

We've sent our crew to Russia for sub training for long time already, now, the crew just simply go back to VN and try to get used to with moving the sub in SCS(east sea).

For mapping SCS(east sea) floor, Soviet nuke subs were station in Cam Ranh base before 1990, so they know SCS(east sea) floor very well and can share all with Vn crew.

 

[gambit]

I'm always amused by how you guys always bring up the past to project how you can defend yourself in the future. It doesn't work that way. The US had different objectives operating in different contexts.

They never had any intention to declare a full out war against north VN. Their Christmas bombings (Operation Linebacker part 1 & 2) bought you guys to your knees and forced you to the negotiation table. Maybe @gambit can confirm this.

That is true. The SVN/US alliance fought towards partition, not unification, and the bombing campaign was effective enough to make the North Vietnamese asked for 'negotiation' which no one believed but obligated to go through the pretense of the theater anyway.

 

[Rechoice]

You can't fix IQ by going to a hospital.

Didn't I say before that I'll give a you a break cos is boring to argue with you? now you still want to talk with me and prove your low IQ? Did your officer instruct you to debate me because I mentioned the VCP?



Many western company can offer that too. Like how Thailand paid part of their Jas-39 with chicken.



Low IQ indeed. You got it the other way around. It's the Russian who can give your officials some bribe. You think VN is an economic powerhouse already that can pay other country bribe money? lol.

And just because they offer you credit line doesn't mean they can't offer your officials some cash bribe beforehand in order to make your negotiator sign the agreement. They will then just debit on your credit line, which will be part of the agreement signed by your officials.



I think you need to save the fish. Your govt will need your tax money to compensate those riot victims that your official recently promised.

low iQ Chinese claimed nine dash and did idiot thing here in SCS. SCS is fully with warships and subs This tension will last for ever and USA has a reason to turn back to South East Asia, bro.

In fact Chinese invited Uncla Sam come back, he is sitting here before your door.

 

[Jlaw]

low iQ Chinese claimed nine dash and did idiot thing here in SCS. SCS is fully with warships and subs This tension will last for ever and USA has a reason to turn back to South East Asia, bro.

In fact Chinese invited Uncla Sam come back, he is sitting here before your door.

"Low IQ Chinese" with one Chinese city make more money than all you Vietnam put together.



"Low IQ Chinese" send one rig and Vietnam need to cry to world for help

 

[Rechoice]

"Low IQ Chinese" with one Chinese city make more money than all you Vietnam put together.



"Low IQ Chinese" send one rig and Vietnam need to cry to world for help

China sold resources and Chinese people work to dead for export and corruptions CPC take a money of chinese people to USA.

oil rig is useless, just for CNOOC officers who made a lobby to build it got a money.

 

[Jlaw]

China sold resources and Chinese people work to dead for export and corruptions CPC take a money of chinese people to USA.

oil rig is useless, just for CNOOC officers who made a lobby to build it got a money.

Yeah, so useless that you guys cried for two months begging for Uncle Sam to intervene. Teaming up with useless pinoy. You guys were hilarious.



"Hey no fair, Chinese sink our Vietnamese fishing boat! Why our wood boat sink when we hit your steel boat?!!"


vì sao?? why?? Vi sao??