Vietnam building deterrent against China in disputed seas with submarines

[William Hung]

Vietnamese have something money cant buy- the will to fight till the end, staking it all.

A lot of Viet soldiers showed their strong will power in 1988, but it didn't had any effects on the battlefield.

 

[FNFAL]

A lot of Viet soldiers showed their strong will power in 1988, but it didn't had any effects on the battlefield.

No mate, They fought the US and France ..and , they remained as the last man standing
From what i have read on this forum , vietnamese reserve forces , comprised mainly of women, defeated a chinese misadventure in the 70s

 

[xesy]

A lot of Viet soldiers showed their strong will power in 1988, but it didn't had any effects on the battlefield.

The People War is only effective when the people actually join the fight. The 1988 skirmish was kept strictly a military only operation.

 

[C130]

a few Kilos with a few dozen Klub-S
with U.S supplying information to Vietnam where People's Liberation Army Navy postition
would be a huge deterrent and blow to China's Navy if war happens

 

[xesy]

a few Kilos with a few dozen Klub-S
with U.S supplying information to Vietnam where People's Liberation Army Navy postition
would be a huge deterrent and blow to China's Navy if war happened.

I don't think VN-US relationship has reached a stage where we can share military intels with each other. VN and Russia were buddies back in the day yet we didn't come to that yet.

 

[William Hung]

No mate, They fought the US and France ..and , they remained as the last man standing
From what i have read on this forum , vietnamese reserve forces , comprised mainly of women, defeated a chinese misadventure in the 70s

The People War is only effective when the people actually join the fight. The 1988 skirmish was kept strictly a military only operation.

You still buying your govt propaganda. Will power did not help in 1988. And when a saturated missile strike comes your way, your will power will not do any good either. The only thing your will power could do is to shake your fist towards the sky and curse.

 

[Genesis]

well there you have it, let's all run for the hills, the Vietnamese got submarines now. No stopping them now.

 

[C130]

I don't think VN-US relationship has reached a stage where we can share military intels with each other. VN and Russia were buddies back in the day yet we didn't come to that yet.

secret channels top secret stuff.
i'm sure the U.S has the location of every military ship in the world in a database that's always up to date.

we would slip you the GPS coordinates which then the Vietnam will give to the Kilo commanders who will go hunting for some Chinese

 

[xesy]

You still buying your govt propaganda. Will power did not help in 1988. And when a saturated missile strike comes your way, your will power will not do any good either. The only thing your will power could do is to shake your fist towards the sky and curse.

Of course our will power will do nothing against the strike, but it will help dealing with the aftermath. A house gets destroyed by the missle, we build it up against. No medicine to help the injured? We skip lunches to save money to buy some. Working overtime to produce an extra bucket of bulllets, without taking the extra wages, etc. We can do all sort of things with will power alone, and when those things combined, it will be more effective than anythings in our asenal. (Sorry for the messy grammar, I am light-headed today)

 

[Rechoice]

A lot of Viet soldiers showed their strong will power in 1988, but it didn't had any effects on the battlefield.

Johnson reef with blood of Vietnamese. What does it mean for Vietnamese ? Chinese can not swallow Islands and sea of Vietnam. It is a dispute for ever.

 

[NiceGuy]

A lot of Viet soldiers showed their strong will power in 1988, but it didn't had any effects on the battlefield.

How abt sad incident to 11 Chinese troop in 1990 in Gaven reef ?? seem like we have a very effective 'mysterious force' on our side

Army since January 1988, has troops stationed seven Spratly reefs. The seven reefs are mostly suitable flooded reef, reef exposed at low tide, low tide vast expanse of water. Dizhan large reefs around everywhere, so the army only a few small reefs on the distribution and strength of comparative stagnation was at a disadvantage. Early garrison, because the defense is not perfect facilities, personnel stationed in South Reef smoked an accident occurs.

November 7, 1990, I found the Southern Command Nansha reefs lost radio contact.After the situation was reported to the South China Sea Fleet deployed immediately went to see the ship. Under the notification, the reef is a unit of Marines stationed in the preparation of 12 people, then should be 11 people (one reason temporarily off the reef). Inspectors found that the bodies of six soldiers on the reef, and another five people missing. Missing persons including reef Chang allegiance, vice reef long and correspondents. In addition to the personnel on the reef, the reef warrior Xu Huiping Yong Department reef due to the treatment of burns and survived. Inspectors found multiple bullet holes in the room, indicating where the fighting occurred. Then they picked up and from the underwater reef a few rifles, these guns are all our military garrison personnel standard rifle.

This event was caused no small vibration in the army, immediately set up by the South China Sea Fleet of the senior leadership responsible for the investigation team, in-depth and comprehensive investigation, and make rehabilitation work. Findings are confidential at the time, unable to understand the outside.

This strange incident, even if insiders are also controversial. Is encountered enemy special forces raid, fighting or other emergency occurs, the truth has not yet been fully understood.This incident, I analyzed are the following possibilities:

1, most likely by the army special forces is. Vietnamese troops in 1988, "3.14" Red Reef of Nansha sea battle at a disadvantage, must look for an opportunity to retaliate. But then I Nansha garrison high vigilance and patrolling troops, combat readiness, they are hard to find opportunities. I combined the naval prisoners of war captured in Zhanjiang Nansha trial, our government has not yet handed over to Vietnam. Since 1990, our military posture in Nansha is clear, I observe activity patterns reef and the ship's officers that they have already mastered their "revenge about" conditions ripe. According to common sense traces of science, this action does not leave any suspicious items, indicating that other means quite clever. Does not exclude the other is the master shooting, fighting, diving techniques, and even combat may wear body armor. If this action as a planned and premeditated military action, should be considered very successful. But not arbitrary conclusion is that after the successful implementation of this action the enemy, meritorious officers must reward, JiaGuanJinJue, will follow along with the media reports, trumpeted the so-called "heroic deeds", but did not. Things over the past 20 years, information and networks so advanced, Vietnam had not been seen in any public media reported. They do a job well done is confidential

Source: Who killed 11 Chinese troops in Gaven Reefs in 1990 ?

 

[William Hung]

if you want to ask my opinion about the Vietnamese Kilo class, yes indeed those subs will and has give Vietnam People Navy an incredible boost for deterrence at sea and a much of technological leaps for them. But surely Vietnam people Navy needed much more time to utilize those subs at their full potential, as you can see Vietnam just learned to operating their sub recently and spending much more time at docks than exercise their muscles at open seas. And one thing must be taken into notes, Vietnam navy doesn't operating much surveillance and hydro-oceanographic vessels to mapping the contour of their own ocean floor, doesn't have any Submarine tender vessel, doesn't have any other Submarine bases except their Cam Ranh Base and surely giving them a vulnerable prepositions as enemy know the exact locations of Vietnam fleet berth and bases. It still a long road for Vietnam Navy to give a shot with their Kilos submarines.

Exactly. And in a realistic scenario where an arm conflict begins, Cam Ranh Bay will be destroyed through surgical strikes. Then the Kilos that survived will have nowhere to resupply and reload their torpedos, unless they sail all the way to India.

Okay, u said u r in Indonesia and looking for an Indonesian girl, right ?? pls tell me does Indonesia show all in detail abt the price of which weapons , which additional order they buy from Russia ?? if Yes, then how do people know it is a trusted sources

Why dont u care abt a country where u wanna live instead of talking nonsense abt VN-Russia deal ??

I don't live in Indonesia you doorknob.

secret channels top secret stuff.
i'm sure the U.S has the location of every military ship in the world in a database that's always up to date.

we would slip you the GPS coordinates which then the Vietnam will give to the Kilo commanders who will go hunting for some Chinese

Let's assume US send Viet Kilos some super duper secret coordinations.

How many torpedos or Club does one Kilo carry? how big is a club warhead?

At best, the Kilos could only damage some military ports, take out a few ships or other military targets.

But the consequence would probably be the total annihilation of all Viet major military ports, airfields and other military targets. The VPA would then be handicapped. Just like in 1988.

The Kilos wouldn't have much use after that unless they go all the way to India to resupply.

 

[Nike]

secret channels top secret stuff.
i'm sure the U.S has the location of every military ship in the world in a database that's always up to date.

we would slip you the GPS coordinates which then the Vietnam will give to the Kilo commanders who will go hunting for some Chinese

i would much prefer if USA doing a much better proactive roles to promote peace and cooperation instead sending signal for some countries to do as her please. China and Vietnam is no better, both of them want to swallow South China Sea for their own gains, but US with Indonesia, Singapore, Japan and South Korea can become as middle party to ensure freedom of Navigation in South China Sea.

 

[C130]

Let's assume US send Viet Kilos some super duper secret coordinations.

How many torpedos or Club does one Kilo carry? how big is a club warhead?

At best, the Kilos could only damage some military ports, take out a few ships or other military targets.

But the consequence would probably be the total annihilation of all Viet major military ports, airfields and other military targets. The VPA would then be handicapped. Just like in 1988.

The Kilos wouldn't have much use after that unless they go all the way to India to resupply.

mostly just assumptions but
-6 improved kilo
-assume each has 8-12 Klub-S
-48/72 missiles in total
-assume 3M-54E is superior to Exocet used in Falklands war (can easily kill a Frigate, 1 needed to disable a destroyer 2 to sink it)
-assume a few can carry 3M-54E1 with a 400KG warhead these would target China aircraft carrier
if those 6 improved kilos are active in the right positions and depending on hell well Klub-S performs against China's anti-ship missile system you could see a few dozen ships destroyed in a matter of days, especially with the U.S spy satellites watching her movements in the South China Sea.

 

[William Hung]

How abt sad incident to 11 Chinese troop in 1990 in Gaven reef ?? seem like we have a very effective 'mysterious force' on our side

You are a funny guy spamming that single source everywhere you go.

The US bombing campaign bought north VN to its knees. You have to beg the US to stop by pretending you want to negotiate. Your country's infrastructure was destroyed. You have delusion about Dien Bien Phu in the Air victory but it is pure propaganda. Your air defence force failed to protect your infrastructure.

The only reason your govt could continue your war effort after the US bombing campaign was because your strategy mainly consists of sending hundreds of thousands of foot soldiers down the trail to be slaughtered.

Fast-forward to today. If China do surgical strikes against all your military infrastructures, what are you going to do next? send hundreds and thousands of foot soldiers swimming out to the SCS to get slaughtered like 1960-70s and 1988??