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Video Hints at Executions by Pakistanis-NYTimes

There is precedent for battlefield executions of combatants captured out of uniform. The entire concept was designed to protect non-combatants. No uniform = hiding among civilians, saboteur, assassin, spy = death by firing squad. I frankly have few problems with it so long as those executed were, moments ago, engaged in illegal combat.

Post WW2 Germany had a few die-hard Nazis hiding out as civilians and committing violence on occupying troops. When captured, they were lined up against any handy wall, and shot. The problems ceased fairly quickly.
 
Irfan. Some of what you are blaming on the Taliban was done by Xe. The pro Palestinian march for example...


thanks for your info but Azam Tariq (TTP spokesman) claimed responsibility didnt he?

there are way too many videoed executions including beheadings that they have committed in the crowd. XE, or black water, RAW , Mossad and Klingons are not doing every single act. they might stirr things up a bit then they just sit back and let the likes of TTP continue the show
 
There was another thread going on which is closed now, is the video in this one and in that threat the same? sorry guys, i cant watch the videos thats why i asked the question.
 
Not just that... we also know that Americans always kill unarmed POWs in their battles...

Always? Painting with a gigantic brush now, are we? Your fatal error is in calling them POW's. Were they soldiers in uniform? If not, they are not POW's.

The rules are quite clear, and I've never understood why there is almost no emphasis on this in the media. A uniform doesn't have to be fancy. In fact, if everyone wore identical armbands, that would count as a uniform. When the combatants cannot be distinguished from a simple villager, then they are not POW's.

WW2: Why do you think spies, saboteurs, commandos captured in civilian clothes, were shot or hung, while their uniformed compadres got three hots and a cot for the duration?

What is it that you say... Take No Prisoners?

Hollywood?
 
can somebody please delete this mud slinging fest?
 
There was another thread going on which is closed now, is the video in this one and in that threat the same? sorry guys, i cant watch the videos thats why i asked the question.

yes its talking about the same thing. I raised few points in the end of page 1 regarding few aspects of it. still waiting what other people think
 
There was another thread going on which is closed now, is the video in this one and in that threat the same? sorry guys, i cant watch the videos thats why i asked the question.

It's the same ahmad, going round and round.
 
still waiting what other people think

I agree to most of what you have analyzed. It could be real and it could be fake.

Regardless of the authencity, i don't condone the shooting of terrorists without any sort of legality involved. It's just not right.

Having said so, there are problems with letting go of terrorists who are caught during a gunbattle, knowing what they do to captured soldiers. Even to their dead bodies.

Keeping 'em under arrest comes at a huge cost. I know of a detention centre in Swat - which houses at least 1500 of em - with a rehab program underway.

To process their cases in a legal way entails huge problems as well, knowing the slow proces and the threats involved.

I would rather prefer summary military courts, with the proper legal cover, to execute such terrorists caught in gunbattles where you do not require proof to establish their aims and acts. They are the enemy and they hide in civilian clothes to escape from the eye of the law enforcers. They must be dealt with in the language they best understand.
 
So yesterday I had posted a few posts condemning this cold blooded killing by the PA. However yesterday night I saw a news clip on CNN-IBN showing a woman being stoned to death by Taliban in the KP province of Pakistan because she was seen walking with a man(not her husband) in broad daylight. Post that, I am not so sure about my comments yesterday on this extra judicial execution...
 
An amateur video posted on a social networking site appears to show Pakistani troops unlawfully killing six young men, raising fresh concerns over the conduct of US-backed Pakistani forces in their battle against Taliban-allied groups.

The blurry video, which runs for more than 5 minutes, shows men in Pakistani military uniforms lining up blindfolded young men with their hands tied behind their backs before gunning them down.

The Pakistani military has said the video is fake.

An organisation called the International Pashtuns' Association posted the video on Facebook and says that the incident took place during the military's crackdown on the Pakistani Taliban in the Swat valley the summer of 2009.

The Pakistani government launched the operation after coming under pressure from Washington to do more to stop cross-border Taliban attacks on Nato troops in neighbouring Afghanistan.

The location cannot be identified from the grainy footage, which appears to have been shot on a mobile telephone, but explosions can be heard in the background as the men are shot dead by the firing squad.

As the soldiers prepare to fire, one of them asks the commander: "One by one, or together?" "Together" is the reply. The conversation is in Urdu, the language used by the Pakistani military.

Video unverified

The authenticity of the video cannot be independently confirmed by Al Jazeera, and the Pakistani government have said it was fabricated. But US media has quoted anonymous American officials who believe that the video is authentic.

The uniforms and rifles appear to be consistent with Pakistan's standard military equipment, and a former Pakistani general told Al Jazeera that while the video could not be verified, the images should be taken seriously.
"We have to take it at face value at the moment, and take it seriously," said Talat Masood. "My view is that the CIA and ISI are in a much better position to authenticate this."

"It looks as though they are Pakistani troops, but there are several other aspects that need to be re-checked before we can say that it is authentic."

He said that he thought the Pakistani military would "absolutely" investigate the authenticity of the video, because if confirmed it could do serious damage to Pakistan's strategy in tackling the Taliban.

"I'm sure that this is not the military policy," he said. "It would undermine the whole war on terror, which is not just military, but about winning hearts and minds."

'Credible Allegations'

Human rights groups say the video fits in with "credible allegations" they have received about the conduct of Pakistani troops. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said in June that 282 extra-judicial killings by the army had taken place in the Swat region in the past year.

Amnesty International told Al Jazeera that while it could not confirm the authenticity of the video, but that it has "received credible reports of suspected insurgents being summarily executed by the Pakistani security forces in Pakistan's swat valley."

"There have also been a number of sightings of mass graves in the region, with notes attached to the dead bodies, warning local people not to join the Taliban otherwise they would meet the same fate," said Maya Pastakia, Amnesty's specialist in Afghan and Pakistan. She said it was impossible to definitively tell who was behind the killings, pointing out that tribal conflicts could be playing out in an environment of chaos and insecurity.

Human Rights Watch says it has received "numerous credible reports of extra-judicial executions allegedly committed by soldiers operating in Swat," adding that the Pakistani military has not investigated the allegations sufficiently.

Meenakshi Ganguly, Human Rights Watch's South Asia Director, also called on the Pakistani authorities to investigate the video, and if it turns out to be genuine, to hold those responsible to account.

"We hope this is not true, but the government of Pakistan must investigate thoroughly. We have documented allegations in the past of extra-judicial killings carried out by the Pakistani military," she told Al Jazeera.

Headache for US

If confirmed, the video could raise a legal headache for the US, which is bound by law not to give military aid and assistance to foreign armies found to have committed gross human rights violations.

Considered a key partner in the efforts to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the Pakistani military has received $10 billion from Washington since 2001, when the Taliban were overthrown by a US-led coalition.

The US State department described the images as "horrifying," and has said that the issue will be raised with the Pakistani government by Anne Patterson, the US ambassador to Pakistan.
 
An organisation called the International Pashtuns' Association posted the video on Facebook and says that the incident took place during the military's crackdown on the Pakistani Taliban in the Swat valley the summer of 2009.

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I just wonder what took PIA (Pashton Alliance) over a year to lauch this video? were they working on dialogs "like kill them all one by one and then together etc?"

mind you, there are videos of NATO soldiers buring the bodies of Taliban in Ahghanistan and then having fun with each other as if slain body was that of a diseased animal. I just wonder why the Western media is so selective about the moments to be "Shocked"
 
I just wonder what took PIA (Pashton Alliance) over a year to lauch this video? were they working on dialogs "like kill them all one by one and then together etc?"

mind you, there are videos of NATO soldiers buring the bodies of Taliban in Ahghanistan and then having fun with each other as if slain body was that of a diseased animal. I just wonder why the Western media is so selective about the moments to be "Shocked"

I think those incidents have also been reported on the media widely(the nato ones), i personally dont condmen either nato or pa(the individuals obvsiosely, not the army policy) for what they have done, we are here behind our screens and judging them, we dont know h ow they feel, they are humen being like us, they are not metalic machines. they see their soldiers killed in afghanistna and pakistan and in case of pakistan their colleagues being beheaded in front of the cameras, once they capture the taliban, they probably cant control themselves.

as per PIA, these guys are probably after excuses to fulfill their dirty agenda.
 
Reports of Army Abuses

...The cables also reveal that the American Embassy had received credible reports of extrajudicial killings of prisoners by the Pakistani Army more than a year before the Obama administration publicly acknowledged the problem and before a video that is said to show such killings surfaced on the Internet.

The killings are another source of tension, complicated by American pressure on Pakistan to be more aggressive in confronting militants on its own soil.

In a Sept. 10, 2009, cable labeled “secret/noforn,” meaning that it was too delicate to be shared with foreign governments, the embassy confronted allegations of human rights abuses in the Swat Valley and the tribal areas since the Pakistani Army had begun fighting the Taliban a few months earlier.

While carefully worded, the cable left little doubt about what was going on. It spoke of a “growing body of evidence” that gave credence to the allegations.

“The crux of the problem appears to center on the treatment of terrorists detained in battlefield operations and have focused on the extrajudicial killing of some detainees,” the cable said. “The detainees involved were in the custody of Frontier Corps or Pakistan army units.” The Frontier Corps is a paramilitary force partly financed by the United States to fight the insurgents...

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