Victor Yanukovych to testify via video conference on Novermber 25 2016

[vostok]

To expel them you need to join NATO first which they are in the process of doing. Yanukovych stopped that process in 2010 (after they applied in 2008) when he got elected. I guess you could say he was neutral but if you were to say which we he leaned it was Russia and the wasn't good enough for Washington. They don't want a Russian Black Sea fleet.

Why do you need to be in NATO, to expel the Russian base? Russia went from dozens of countries, where our military bases was located without any NATO.
Yanukovych conducted active negotiations on European integration. Moreover, he even adopted a law that it is the only possible way. He pretended that he was a very important person in the talks with Putin, and even started a trade war. But...

 

[Hindustani78]

Why do you need to be in NATO, to expel the Russian base? Russia went from dozens of countries, where our military bases was located without any NATO.
Yanukovych conducted active negotiations on European integration. Moreover, he even adopted a law that it is the only possible way. He pretended that he was a very important person in the talks with Putin, and even started a trade war. But...

Ukraine started to move from Russian Federation after the Georgian war in 2008 but before that the gas blockades were placed on Ukraine by the Russian Federation.

Ukraine gave up Nuclear weapons in 1996 and the enriched uranium money was even the issue over there and thats why recently Ukrainian Government has talked about that Russian federation has to give $350 billion dollars to Ukraine over all by the Russian Federation which includes enriched uranium, gas suspensions during winter period and then Crimea, Donetsk and Luhask coal mines etc.

Ukraine was not willing to extend the kharkiv accord which was the withdraw of Russian navy fleet from Crimea . If i remember carefully Yulia Volodymyrivna Tymoshenko former Ukraine PM , did talked about Ukraine constitution articles which prohibited of giving military bases to foreign countries.

Ex President Victor Yanukovych suspended EU-Ukraine Association agreement without any referendum. Ukraine left CTSO in 2008 and was already seeing towards joining NATO and from that period only Ukraine was in talks with United States of America.

 

[vostok]

Ukraine started to move from Russian Federation after the Georgian war in 2008 but before that the gas blockades were placed on Ukraine by the Russian Federation.

Ukraine gave up Nuclear weapons in 1996 and the enriched uranium money was even the issue over there and thats why recently Ukrainian Government has talked about that Russian federation has to give $350 billion dollars to Ukraine over all by the Russian Federation which includes enriched uranium, gas suspensions during winter period and then Crimea, Donetsk and Luhask coal mines etc.

Ukraine was not willing to extend the kharkiv accord which was the withdraw of Russian navy fleet from Crimea . If i remember carefully Yulia Volodymyrivna Tymoshenko former Ukraine PM , did talked about Ukraine constitution articles which prohibited of giving military bases to foreign countries.

Ex President Victor Yanukovych suspended EU-Ukraine Association agreement without any referendum. Ukraine left CTSO in 2008 and was already seeing towards joining NATO and from that period only Ukraine was in talks with United States of America.

First, Yanukovych was legitimately elected president. Secondly, he deceived the people whom he promised the integration with Russia. Third, there was no referendum about European integration, so it is illegal in principale.
In the coming years, people who came to power after coup, will be expeled from power. Possibly they will be persecuted.
Crimea was given to Ukraine without a referendum in 1954, and was reunited with Russia after the referendum in 2014.

 

[Hindustani78]

First, Yanukovych was legitimately elected president. Secondly, he deceived the people whom he promised the integration with Russia. Third, there was no referendum about European integration, so it is illegal in principale.

In the coming years, people who came to power after coup, will be expeled from power. Possibly they will be persecuted.
Crimea was given to Ukraine without a referendum in 1954, and was reunited with Russia after the referendum in 2014.

Ukraine left CSTO in 2008 and was already moving towards NATO but here it was about the extension of Ukrainian port of Crimea for Russian Naval fleet. Kharkiv accords was opposed by Ukrainian opposition when it was signed as it was against the constitution of Ukraine.

Crimea was part of Ukraine when Ukraine become independent in 1991 then why you are talking about 1954 ?

 

[vostok]

Ukraine left CSTO in 2008 and was already moving towards NATO but here it was about the extension of Ukrainian port of Crimea for Russian Naval fleet. Kharkiv accords was opposed by Ukrainian opposition when it was signed as it was against the constitution of Ukraine.

Crimea was part of Ukraine when Ukraine become independent in 1991 then why you are talking about 1954 ?

And now Crimea is part of Russia. So why you are talking about 1991? Ukraine has never been a member of the CSTO.
And it never will be member of NATO.

 

[Hindustani78]

And now Crimea is part of Russia. So why you are talking about 1991? Ukraine has never been a member of the CSTO.
And it never will be member of NATO.

In May 2005 Georgia started consultations with Ukraine on their withdrawal from the Commonwealth of Independent States.

On 14 May 2008 Georgia's Foreign Ministry has announced its withdrawal from a 1995 CIS unified air defense agreement signed by a number of former Soviet republics, including Russia, on April 19, 1995. Georgia had previously withdrawn from the CIS Defense Ministers Council, although it formally remained in the CIS unified air defense system. On 19 August 2008 the CIS Executive Committee received a note from Georgia on its intention to pull out of the organization.

On 20 August 2008 Foreign Minister of Ukraine Vladimir Ogryzko said "The name of CIS envisages unity, friendship, but it should be analyzed whether this friendship is real or a curtain", said the minister and mentioned that Ukraine was not the member of CIS. "Ukraine is not the member of CIS Economic Court, has not ratified the Statute of CIS, that's why Ukraine can not be considered member of CIS in terms of international law. Ukraine is only a participating country, but not the member", he said. Nine full members were left in the CIS - Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

1995, Ukraine belongs to the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) air defense system

The Russia-Georgia War of 2008, recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states (demanded by Russia and denied by NATO), future NATO membership of Ukraine and Georgia, and NATO missile defense have all strained NATO-Russia relations and shown the weakness of the NATO-Russia Council.

http://ukraineun.org/en/press-cente...-and-sub-regional-organizations-csto-sco-cis/

Statement by the delegation of Ukraine at the UNSC debate on cooperation between the UN and regional and sub-regional organizations: CSTO, SCO, CIS

First of all, I refer to the Russian aggression in Ukraine and Georgia. The Russian Federation, one of the founding members of these organizations, continues to blatantly violate the UN Charter, the CIS and CSTO Charters, international law, multilateral and bilateral agreements.

And at this very moment these organizations are still pretending that there is no ongoing Russian aggression against Ukraine, no occupation of Crimea, no de facto occupation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, no war crimes committed against Ukrainian and Georgian peoples.

Until then, unfortunately, we cannot agree that the CIS and CSTO are able to “make every effort to achieve pacific settlement of disputes” as enshrined in article 52 of the UN Charter.


In this regard I would like to commend the SCO members that during the conflict in Georgia in 2008 underscored the need to respect the territorial integrity of states. We wish the same approach be maintained vis-a-vis the temporary occupation of Crimea and the Russian aggression against Ukraine.

 

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In May 2005 Georgia started consultations with Ukraine on their withdrawal from the Commonwealth of Independent States.

On 14 May 2008 Georgia's Foreign Ministry has announced its withdrawal from a 1995 CIS unified air defense agreement signed by a number of former Soviet republics, including Russia, on April 19, 1995. Georgia had previously withdrawn from the CIS Defense Ministers Council, although it formally remained in the CIS unified air defense system. On 19 August 2008 the CIS Executive Committee received a note from Georgia on its intention to pull out of the organization.

On 20 August 2008 Foreign Minister of Ukraine Vladimir Ogryzko said "The name of CIS envisages unity, friendship, but it should be analyzed whether this friendship is real or a curtain", said the minister and mentioned that Ukraine was not the member of CIS. "Ukraine is not the member of CIS Economic Court, has not ratified the Statute of CIS, that's why Ukraine can not be considered member of CIS in terms of international law. Ukraine is only a participating country, but not the member", he said. Nine full members were left in the CIS - Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

1995, Ukraine belongs to the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) air defense system

The Russia-Georgia War of 2008, recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states (demanded by Russia and denied by NATO), future NATO membership of Ukraine and Georgia, and NATO missile defense have all strained NATO-Russia relations and shown the weakness of the NATO-Russia Council.

Once again - Ukraine has never been a member of the CSTO not in 2008 not in 2004 - never. And Ukraine was not member of NATO. And it is not and never will be.
Believe me or not, but the borders of states on the world map in 2016 it's not the physical law of the Universe, but only the reflection of some historical processes at the moment.
Now there is a reformation of the world order. Believe it me not, but after a few years, France, Germany, Italy, Austria and many other countries will work very closely with Russia.
International law - is a very relative and illusory concept. The USSR was an internationally recognized state. The dissolution of the Soviet Union was absolutely illegal - but who cares? The "gift" of Crimea in 1954 was illegal - but who cares?
NATO's attack on Yugoslavia in 1999 was illegal - but who cares? The coups in Ukraine in 2004 and 2014 were illegal - but who cares?

 

[Hindustani78]

Once again - Ukraine has never been a member of the CSTO not in 2008 not in 2004 - never. And Ukraine was not member of NATO. And it never will be.
Believe me or not, but the borders of states on the world map in 2016 it's not the physical law of the Universe, but only the display of historical processes at the moment.
Now there is a reformation of the world order. Believe it me not, but after a few years, France, Germany, Italy, Austria and many other countries will work very closely with Russia.

I have read about Ukraine being member of CSTO way back during the 2008 Georgia war and even the sources are there on iran defence forum.

Actually EU NATO member states doesnt have any policy to stop Russian federation, United states of America is now aware about the loopholes within the NATO member states who openly violates NATO charter, UN Charter, Hague conventions, Vienna conventions and Geneva conventions and then talk about civilized world and human rights etc.

Ukraine has lost its territories and there is war going on which Ukraine have to stand by its own to protect its soveriginity and Independence.

 

[vostok]

I have read about Ukraine being member of CSTO way back during the 2008 Georgia war and even the sources are there on iran defence forum.

Actually EU NATO member states doesnt have any policy to stop Russian federation, United states of America is now aware about the loopholes within the NATO member states who openly violates NATO charter, UN Charter, Hague conventions, Vienna conventions and Geneva conventions and then talk about civilized world and human rights etc.

Ukraine has lost its territories and there is war going on which Ukraine have to stand by its own to protect its soveriginity and Independence.

There is no war in Ukraine - only anti-terrorist operation. So they say. I mean - those "authorities" (in a couple of years most of them will be in jail - exept for some lucky ones who will live in London).

 

[Hindustani78]

There is no war in Ukraine - only anti-terrorist operation. So they say. I mean - those "authorities" (in a couple of years most of them will be in jail - exept for some lucky ones who will live in London).

So what is this UN resolution on Crimea ? what is with the Victor Yanukovych trail ? Around 10,000 Ukrainians are being killed . and Still you are saying no war in Ukraine

 

[vostok]

So what is this UN resolution on Crimea ? what is with the Victor Yanukovych trail ? Around 10,000 Ukrainians are being killed . and Still you are saying no war in Ukraine

Some resolution - it's just some resolution. It is not a decision of the UN Security Council. Some resolution has no legal force.
It is not I say - it's the law. Ukraine did not declare martial law, Ukraine did not declare war to another state. By law, there is no war - only the anti-terrorist operation.
Yanukovych is nobody for me. He is pathetic and misarable traitor. He betrayed his voters when, instead of integration with Russia started "European integration". He betrayed his voters again when did not fight with the rebels who seized power in a unconstitutional coup.

 

[Hindustani78]

Some resolution - it's just some resolution. It is not a decision of the UN Security Council. Some resolution has no legal force.

We are aware that UNSC work on the blocks of nation and the resolutions are more or less depending on the issue and situation but thousands of ordinary people have to go through misery, pain and suffering.

P5 veto is according to thier national interst and the countries which are allied. This P5 should be expanded and here only Republic of India and Republic of Turkey should become permanent members with equal veto powers.

It is not I say - it's the law. Ukraine did not declare martial law, Ukraine did not declare war to another state. By law, there is no war - only the anti-terrorist operation.

Yanukovych is nobody for me. He is pathetic and misarable traitor. He betrayed his voters when, instead of integration with Russia started "European integration". He betrayed his voters again when did not fight with the rebels who seized power in a unconstitutional coup.

According to Ukrainian Constitution
Article 17. The location of foreign military bases in the territory of Ukraine shall not be permitted.

There was opposition to Kharkiv Accords which was signed by Ex President Victor Yanukovych and this led to the deployment of 25,000 Russian troops on Crimea and now the result is this that Crimea is being occupied by Russian Federation.

 

[vostok]

We aware that UNSC work on the blocks of nation and the resolutions are more or less depending on the issue and situation but thousands of ordinary people have to go through misery, pain and suffering.

P5 veto is according to thier national interst and the countries which are allied. This P5 should be expanded and here only Republic of India and Republic of Turkey should become permanent members with equal veto powers.

According to Ukrainian Constitution
Article 17. The location of foreign military bases in the territory of Ukraine shall not be permitted.

There was opposition to Kharkiv Accords which was signed by Ex President Victor Yanukovych and this led to the deployment of 25,000 Russian troops on Crimea and now the result is this that Crimea is being occupied by Russian Federation.

UN Council has nothing to do with this issue. And it never will be expanded. It can only be reduced to P3.
What does the Constitution of Ukraine has to do with Crimea? Crimea - is the territory of Russian Federation, in accordance with the laws of Russia. And in accordance to the will of Crimean people so deal with it. They will never back to Ukraine. Period.

 

[Hindustani78]

UN Council has nothing to do with this issue. And it never will be expanded. It can only be reduced to P3.
What does the Constitution of Ukraine has to do with Crimea? Crimea - is the territory of Russian Federation, in accordance with the laws of Russia. And in accordance to the will of Crimean people so deal with it. They will never back to Ukraine. Period.

Well UNSC expansion cant be avioded more . P5 + Republic of India and Republic of Turkey will be reality.

Ukraine constitution was adopted and ratified at the 5th session of the Verkhovna Rada (parliament) of Ukraine on 28 June 1996.

Ukrainian Constitution
Article 133. The system of the administrative and territorial structure of Ukraine shall include: the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, oblasts, rayons, cities, city districts, settlements and villages.

Ukraine shall be composed of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Vinnytsia Oblast, Volyn Oblast, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Donetsk Oblast, Zhytomyr Oblast, Zakarpattia Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast, Kyiv Oblast, Kirovohrad Oblast, Luhansk Oblast, Lviv Oblast, Mykolayiv Oblast, Odesa Oblast, Poltava Oblast, Rivne Oblast, Sumy Oblast, Ternopil Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast, Kherson Oblast, Khmelnytskyi Oblast, Cherkasy Oblast, Chernivtsi Oblast and Chernihiv Oblast, the City of Kyiv, and the City of Sevastopol.

The cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol shall have special status determined by the law of Ukraine.


We all are aware that war is going on between Russian Federation and Ukraine

 

[vostok]

Well UNSC expansion cant be avioded more . P5 + Republic of India and Republic of Turkey will be reality.


We all are aware that war is going on between Russian Federation and Ukraine

More possible variant of future UN P3 Council - Russia, China, USA.
I'll repeat once again - Ukraine is not waging war against the Russian Federation. By law, Ukraine is not declared war on Russia. Ukraine has not declared martial law in the country. Ukraine declared just an anti-terrorist operation. That is the reality. Ukraine and Russia are not at war.
And why are you against the will of Crimean people? They are with the Motherland now, they are at home. Please, leave them alone.