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Victims of Drone Attacks !! *(Graphic)

The pictures in this thread are just propaganda. Drone strikes occur (<90%) in areas outside the control of the GoP. If the GoP really knows who was killed and could document who were the victums, then they should, and should tell the world. BUT THEY DON'T!! WHY???? Maybe, just maybe, the GoP has something to hide from its own people.
 
The pictures in this thread are just propaganda. Drone strikes occur (<90%) in areas outside the control of the GoP. If the GoP really knows who was killed and could document who were the victums, then they should, and should tell the world. BUT THEY DON'T!! WHY???? Maybe, just maybe, the GoP has something to hide from its own people.

Not having control is not a good enough excuse. Pakistan government should send in the army and get the job done.
 
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this image is from peshawar bomb blast (Peepal Mandi market 2009)

link : Six UN staff killed and nine wounded in Taliban rocket attack on Afghan guesthouse | Mail Online
 

So the thread starter is BUSTED! Lies and more lies are the stock in trade of the anti-drone crowd. If the GoP would actually DO ITS JOB, we would know the honest facts about drone "victims". On the other hand, if the GoP DID ITS JOB, there would be no drone strikes and no drone victims. Go figure......
 
^^ Its from a profile of a guy from FATA. nevertheless since we know today that Hakeem ulllah mehsud is alive, for the third time, let us know who was killed that they claimed to be Hakim ullah mehsud?

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So the thread starter is BUSTED! Lies and more lies are the stock in trade of the anti-drone crowd. If the GoP would actually DO ITS JOB, we would know the honest facts about drone "victims". On the other hand, if the GoP DID ITS JOB, there would be no drone strikes and no drone victims. Go figure......

BBC News - Pakistani civilian victims vent anger over US drones

Pakistan drone victims seek CIA official

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there are literary thousand of pictures that show the ugly face of drone attacks, but yet warmongers are of the opinion its helping eliminating terrorists only...

if the collateral damage could be documented properly, what difference would it have made anyway ?? you would still have a justification for it... like you have for every other crime ?

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as we speak "Four killed in US drone attacks in North Waziristan"
 
He has the option to take them down. The expert on the matter, the ACM has said so. Heck he has spoken of willingness to take them down.

Yeah I'm sure what the factors are. We always heard that beyond Brigadier level, Army officers need approval from Washington. He's not getting extensions for nothing. I personally find it all to be a big drama and these leaders are pushing the public to launch a Pakistani spring (and the actual spring season is around the corner as well).

Kayani is hand in glove with the United States. Plain and simple. If not, grow a pair and shoot back.

In the movies where you have to fish out a double agent you give the suspected agent a gun and ask him to shoot at a known enemy. If the suspected double agent hesitates, then you know. You asked me what options he has... As a Pakistani I can't imagine someone having any other option than to not shoot back.

It is not just a matter of "balls".

Place yourself in that position, and assume you ordered, and took, a drone down. Would that be the end of the matter? Or can you see what responses might be forthcoming for which you would need to be ready? Can you realistically withstand the aftermath?
 
I love when pakistanis put themselves as victims of drone strike when their leaders what more because it is safer than actually going in.
That is bigger reason for not opposing drone strike, not the american retaliation.
 
I hope that Zardari and civilians are off the hook on this issue moving forward since Kayani had famously already shot off the warnings when his 24 died at Salala. Expectedly those warnings were the only things that he had planned to shoot!

And wonder if Kayani and the generals would have been equally keen to continue supporting the "strategic assets" and not act against them if these innocent boys and girls had been their own grandkids!

Of course it is easy to blame the Americans for going after the terrorists because US has the ownership of the actual execution of the strikes, however, strangely no one questions the culpability of the Pakistani Army generals who by declining to go after the terrorists with boots on the ground, are equally guilty of the predicament of these kids.
 
Exclusive: How Pakistan helps the U.S. drone campaign


By Chris Allbritton
ISLAMABAD | Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:12am EST

(Reuters) - The death of a senior al Qaeda leader in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan's tribal badlands, the first strike in almost two months, signaled that the U.S.-Pakistan intelligence partnership is still in operation despite political tensions.

The Jan 10 strike -- and its follow-up two days later -- were joint operations, a Pakistani security source based in the tribal areas told Reuters.

They made use of Pakistani "spotters" on the ground and demonstrated a level of coordination that both sides have sought to downplay since tensions erupted in January 2011 with the killing of two Pakistanis by a CIA contractor in Lahore.

"Our working relationship is a bit different from our political relationship," the source told Reuters, requesting anonymity. "It's more productive."

U.S. and Pakistani sources told Reuters that the target of the Jan 10 attack was Aslam Awan, a Pakistani national from Abbottabad, the town where Osama bin Laden was killed last May by a U.S. commando team.

They said he was targeted in a strike by a U.S.-operated drone directed at what news reports said was a compound near the town of Miranshah in the border province of North Waziristan.

That strike broke an undeclared eight-week hiatus in attacks by the armed, unmanned drones that patrol the tribal areas and are a key weapon in U.S. President Barack Obama's counter-terrorism strategy.

The sources described Awan, also known by the nom-de-guerre Abdullah Khorasani, as a significant figure in the remaining core leadership of al Qaeda, which U.S. officials say has been sharply reduced by the drone campaign. Most of the drone attacks are conducted as part of a clandestine CIA operation.

The Pakistani source, who helped target Awan, could not confirm that he was killed, but the U.S. official said he was. European officials said Awan had spent time in London and had ties to British extremists before returning to Pakistan.

The source, who says he runs a network of spotters primarily in North and South Waziristan, described for the first time how U.S.-Pakistani cooperation on strikes works, with his Pakistani agents keeping close tabs on suspected militants and building a pattern of their movements and associations.

"We run a network of human intelligence sources," he said. "Separately, we monitor their cell and satellite phones.

"Thirdly, we run joint monitoring operations with our U.S. and UK friends," he added, noting that cooperation with British intelligence was also extensive.

Pakistani and U.S. intelligence officers, using their own sources, hash out a joint "priority of targets lists" in regular face-to-face meetings, he said.

"Al Qaeda is our top priority," he said.

He declined to say where the meetings take place.

Once a target is identified and "marked," his network coordinates with drone operators on the U.S. side. He said the United States bases drones outside Kabul, likely at Bagram airfield about 25 miles north of the capital.

From spotting to firing a missile "hardly takes about two to three hours," he said.

The security source said very few innocent people had been killed in the strikes. When a militant takes shelter in a house or compound which is then bombed, "the ones who are harboring him, they are equally responsible," he said.

"When they stay at a host house, they (the hosts) obviously have sympathies for these guys."

He denied that Pakistan helped target civilians.

"If ... others say innocents have been targeted, it's not true," he said. "We never target civilians or innocents."

The New America Foundation policy institute says that of 283 reported strikes from 2004 to Nov 16, 2011, between 1,717 and 2,680 people were killed. Between 293 and 471 were thought to be civilians -- approximately 17 percent of those killed.

The Brookings Institution, however, says civilian deaths are high, reporting in 2009 that "for every militant killed, 10 or more civilians also died." Pakistan's interior minister, Rehman Malik, also said in April 2011 that "the majority of victims are innocent civilians."

Still, despite its public stance, Pakistan has quietly supported the drone program since Obama ramped up air strikes when he took office in 2009 and even asked for more flights.

According to a U.S. State Department cable published by anti-secrecy organization WikiLeaks, Pakistan's chief of army staff General Ashfaq Kayani in February 2008 asked Admiral William J. Fallon, then-commander of U.S. Central Command, for increased surveillance and round-the-clock drone coverage over North and South Waziristan.

The security source said Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence, also was supportive of the strikes, albeit privately.

Exclusive: How Pakistan helps the U.S. drone campaign | Reuters
 
The pictures in this thread are just propaganda. Drone strikes occur (<90%) in areas outside the control of the GoP. If the GoP really knows who was killed and could document who were the victums, then they should, and should tell the world. BUT THEY DON'T!! WHY???? Maybe, just maybe, the GoP has something to hide from its own people.

Not propaganda at all, they all look very real to me.
 
If Pakistanis dont want to allow these attacks to happen, their government has to end almost all military to military ties with the US and defend its territory.

That means no more aid, weapons, spares etc.

I dont think this is going to happen....yet.
 
This is truth of Amrika , they are Terrorist ....sir we should also develop drone and send them across washington,newyork and kill them

For that,u need Technology!!! GOd won't help in developing Tech..

I say again....One who has Top notch technology is the King.....And dominates nations who are least in technology....

See arabs,pakistan they are puppets of US..

Wat pakistan should do is Build hi tech weapons, Aircrafts more stealthier than F-22....and Drones than Predators

But the final Question is can pakistan do it??

Don't tell me "we have nukes".......They cant reach US or US missile sheild will bring down ur missiles....

so the key is technology :)
 
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