USA sold Highly Degraded Versions of M1 Abrams MBTs variants to Saudia, Egypt and Iraq

[ptldM3]

Poor Iraqi tactics and the abandoning of tanks which then easily are destroyed with a few grenades into the hatch are probably the biggest cause of Abrams loses for the Iraqi army. As for export Abrams they do not come with the same depleted uranium armor that American Abrams come with instead they come with the older Chobham armor.

 

[kakathiya]

I want to ask, How much T-series Syria has lost since June last year until today? and compared them with the total of Iraqi tanks lost? All in all, Abrams performance is very good and quite decisive to halt the ISIS movement, in the hands of competent soldiers they are formidable machine, but when in the hand of deserter ...... you had known the rest of case

have they fought tank to tank battle, ISIS is a militant organisation, they use guerrilla tactics, Abrams are expensive tanks, one can afford two t-series tanks to one Abram, it also involves expertise in handling the equipment the Iraqi army was like hurriedly formed ragtag army, Abrams ability will be discovered when they face professional armies

 

[Amir_Pharaoh]

Any tank could be a Coffin !

And how could some compare M1A1 serving in Iraqi Army with M1A1/A2 crews in other professional Arab armies like Egypt or KSA ?!!!

The sectarian conflict , lacking of experience , untrained crews and ground/air support are many factors that should be considered when talking about the performance of Abrams against militants in Iraq

Of course there's no tank that is indestructible, even American Abrams with depleted uranium

A destroyed USMC M1A1 Abrams rests in front of a Fedayeen camp just outside of Jaman Al Juburi, Iraq in April 2003

As of March 2005, approximately 80 Abrams tanks shipped back to the United States for repair due to fire from attacks , here are some actions that took place ;

*On October 29, 2003, two soldiers were killed and a third wounded when their tank was disabled by an anti-tank mine, which was combined with other explosives (500 kg (1,100 lb), including several 155 mm rounds) to increase its effect. The massive explosion beneath the tank knocked off the turret.

*During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoilless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine.

*On November 27, 2004, an Abrams tank was badly damaged from the detonation of an extremely powerful improvised explosive device(IED). The IED consisted of three M109A6 155 mm shells, with a total explosive weight of 34.5 kg (76 lb), that detonated next to the tan

*On June 4, 2006, two of the four soldiers in an Abrams crew were killed in Baghdad when an IED detonated near their M1A2.

Some Abrams were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. Although the RPG-7 is unable to penetrate the front and sides, the rear and top are vulnerable to this weapon.

 

[Oldman1]

have they fought tank to tank battle, ISIS is a militant organisation, they use guerrilla tactics, Abrams are expensive tanks, one can afford two t-series tanks to one Abram, it also involves expertise in handling the equipment the Iraqi army was like hurriedly formed ragtag army, Abrams ability will be discovered when they face professional armies

The Abrams have already been tested against professional or conventional armies.

 

[BordoEnes]

All i see and read is how the Iraqi army is useless and have no idea how to properly fight using tactics and strategie. Sorry but M-1A1 tanks are far from from absolute, even without the Depleted Uranium, its armor still thick and hard to penetrate compared to most modern tanks. Generally speaking, M1 should be very good for Urban warfare but what can you expect from soldiers that are poorly trained and dont use proper tactics/strategies.

 

[kakathiya]

The Abrams have already been tested against professional or conventional armies.

and your famous Patton tanks were routed by Indian army using only 90mm jeep mounted guns, google for patton nagar town of destroyed tanks, those have not face a true tank armies like the Pakistanis, or Indians who speacilises in tank battles, in that battle over 90 tanks were destroyed in a few days

 

[Akasa]

After all, some people have forgotten that training and expertise weighs in combat far more than does technology, and thus a M1 Abrams with an incompetent crew would fare far less brilliantly than would a notional inferior tank with the cream-of-the-crop at its controls.

 

[Sinnerman108]

After all, some people have forgotten that training and expertise weighs in combat far more than does technology, and thus a M1 Abrams with an incompetent crew would fare far less brilliantly than would a notional inferior tank with the cream-of-the-crop at its controls.

Very right.

There is a reason why these tanks are advertised with Top Speed.

There is no such thing as ever lasting armor. Everything dies.

 

[Zarvan]

Why is the Iraqi army losing Abrams tanks so easily?

ISIS militant standing over burnt out Iraqi Army M1A-1 Abrams.

The Iraqi Army has about 140 M1A-1 Abrams tanks in its inventory,
and they are steadily taking casualties at the hands of ISIS.

Recently, an entire column of Abrams and M113 APCs in Anbar province were thrashed in an ISIS ambush. The tanks were driven into ditches (probably the drivers panicked) or abandoned by the Iraqis then set on fire by the ISIS fighters (who won't know how to use these advanced vehicles for themselves)

For one thing the Iraqi versions were downgraded, particularly in their armor which doesn't contain depleted uranium, unlike US M1s. I also imagine they were issued without the latest US communications, electronics and fire-control systems and are probably using older versions

Operators (Source: M1 Abrams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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  Australia – Australian Army: 59 M1A1 (AIM) configuration (hybrids with a mix of equipment used by U.S. Army and U.S. Marine Corps tanks, without depleted uranium layers in armor) tanks were bought from the United States in 2006, to replace the Leopard AS1 in 2007.[94]

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  Egypt – Egyptian Army: 1,005 M1A1 tanks co-produced by the U.S. and Egypt for the Egyptian army. Another 200 tanks have been ordered.[95]

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  Iraq – Iraqi Army: 140 M1A1Ms (downgraded, without depleted uranium layers in armor). Iraq was leasing 22 U.S. Army M1A1s for training in 2008.[80][96][97][98] The first 11 tanks were delivered to the Iraqi Army in August 2010.[99] All were delivered by August 2011.[100] In October 2012, it was reported that six more tanks were being delivered.[101]

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  Kuwait – Kuwaiti Army: 218 M1A2s (downgraded, without depleted uranium layers in armor)[102]

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  Saudi Arabia – Saudi Arabian Army: 373 Abrams tanks,[103] To be upgraded to M1A2S configuration in Saudi Arabia.[103] 69 more M1A2S tanks ordered on 8 January 2013, to be delivered by 31 July 2014.[104]

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  United States – United States Army and United States Marine Corps have received over 8,100 M1, M1A1 and M1A2 tanks combined.[105][106]

• U.S. Army

1,174 M1A2 and M1A2SEP variants[106]
4,393 M1A1 variants

The Abrams Iraq uses is the M1A1M, an M1A1 with no Depleted Uranium strike plates, downgraded FCS and a few other water downs. The DU is a major part of Abrams armor.

The weapons ISIS uses are more advanced than those of the Abrams, like RPG-29, Kornet ATGM's and massive IED's. The downgraded armor is susceptible to the weapons.

The Iraqi army is suffering the same fate as other armies have ; They dont have infantry clearing the buildings around the tank or protecting the tanks from people getting on the tank and throwing grenades, molotovs or shooting inside. AT teams arent cleared of the tanks route

USA in there love for Israel hardly sell anything good to Middle East. KSA managed to get good weapons from USA and also UAE is oil and other energy resources found here.

 

[Donatello]

He's pretty much saying that every tank is a coffin. M1, T-90, Leo. Regardless, 1 lucky hit is all it takes.

High quality products create interests for it on the international arms market.

Rather than blame, first learn about it then modify it to make it better.

Pakistan has to right to make military equipment and be proud of it, but that doesn't mean underestimating a soldier's resolve.

If Pakistan was offered the M1, would it make fun of it?

@sami_1 no need to get angry. Military equipment is only part of the answer on winning wars.

Pakistan did test the M1s i believe, and the performance was piss poor in the hot and dusty conditions.

 

[Zhukov]

He's pretty much saying that every tank is a coffin. M1, T-90, Leo. Regardless, 1 lucky hit is all it takes.

High quality products create interests for it on the international arms market.

Rather than blame, first learn about it then modify it to make it better.

Pakistan has to right to make military equipment and be proud of it, but that doesn't mean underestimating a soldier's resolve.

If Pakistan was offered the M1, would it make fun of it?

@sami_1 no need to get angry. Military equipment is only part of the answer on winning wars.

For your kind information Pakistan was offered M1 Abrams back in 80s but we rejected because it failed to pass the trials. When general Ziaul Haq was killed in a plan crash. He was coming back from Abrams demonstrations along with senior military officials and american delegates.

And second. The Almighty Chest thumping Abrams have failed miserably in Iraq to prove untouchable as american publishers wants the world to believe.
There is no sane reason for an egyptian to have his A** on fire and start bashing Pakistan or Alkhalid. Racist bastard is the term i will use.

No tank is ALMIGHTY. Instead of blindly purchasing expensive western weapons. Choose the one that suit the need. Iraq now had problems with insurgents only and no other standing army. Whats the point of purchasing M1 Abrams and F16s in meager number? idiots.
they should have amassed there Counter insurgency capacity buying cheaper Russian Gunships like Milmi 35 APCs Modified Chinese or Russian Tanks and light bombers for that money. That would have helped more.
What can i say anyways.
We Pakistanis may not be very rich but all jealous A** busters we have a quality army backed by the public and federal govt with state of the art battle proven weapon systems. TTP and Taliban are on the run like rats against these Tanks Jets Gunships and soldiers and intelligence agencies that some racist loosers call junk.

 

[Oldman1]

and your famous Patton tanks were routed by Indian army using only 90mm jeep mounted guns, google for patton nagar town of destroyed tanks, those have not face a true tank armies like the Pakistanis, or Indians who speacilises in tank battles, in that battle over 90 tanks were destroyed in a few days

And the Iraqis were easily routed in Gulf War. Remember that the U.S. Army and Marine Corp has not fought a major land war since Vietnam while the Iraqis had fought against Iran for many years so they were veterans. The Iraqis had what you called true tank armies.

 

[IrbiS]

Pakistan did test the M1s i believe, and the performance was piss poor in the hot and dusty conditions.

Zia went to see a demo of an incompetent and distracted kid which is now Abrams the day he died

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan did test the M1s i believe, and the performance was piss poor in the hot and dusty conditions.

Pakistan placed T-55 in front of Abram during testing and T-55 out classed Abrams

 

[MICA]

Pakistan placed T-55 in front of Abram during testing and T-55 out classed Abrams