USA Asked Indonesia to send ground troops to Syria

[Aepsilons]

What's Indonesian response ? hopefully, NO.

It is a NO. Indonesia should not involve itself on a foreign ideological warfare. Involving with this Syrian conflict may lead to counterattacks in Indonesia by terrorist cells; it is best Indonesia focuses on national development and modernization processes.

 

[cirr]

The US should send in its own ground troops to fight the IS。

After all，the US is the root cause of the IS。

 

[tranquilium]

Well, ISIS advances can be a positive factor as well for any possible piece deal between Bashar and Opposition forces. Both of them will be swallowed soon or later by ISIS. If both Iran and Saudi can push each side to a piece agreement and make a fair election in Syria, many nations will be very willingly to deploy many of their ground troops to crush ISIS.

A lot of the opposition force is ISIS. Bashar's best chance is actually to hold out against ISIS advance long enough for it to fragment and start attacking something else.

Also, elections fix nothing at all, especially between Saudi and Iran. Basically, for Saudi Arabia, the only fair election in Syria will be an election that put someone pro-Saudi to the office and it is the same deal for Iran.

 

[Aepsilons]

A lot of the opposition force is ISIS. Bashar's best chance is actually to hold out against ISIS advance long enough for it to fragment and start attacking something else.

Also, elections fix nothing at all, especially between Saudi and Iran. Basically, for Saudi Arabia, the only fair election in Syria will be an election that put someone pro-Saudi to the office and it is the same deal for Iran.

I think we have to understand , all of us here, that the root of the cause is ideological warfare. Most of DAESH volunteers have been influenced by salafist jihad ideology , as well as many are graduates of Wahabist schools of thought that have been propagated in Eurasia, Central Asia, the Middle East and even in the West. Syria is a battle ground for Saudi and Irani interests vis-a-vis by proxy. So long as both Saudi and Irani interests will conflict, they will use proxy engagements. For one is the Saudi offensive in Yemen, by the way , which we don't even hear in news media here in the United States.

The US should send in its own ground troops to fight the IS。

After all，the US is the root cause of the IS。

It is not that black and white, actually. There are various interests and powers involved; the United States is undoubtedly placed in a precarious situation since she is involve in alliance with Saudi Arabia and at the same time courting Iranian favor with the recent nuclear pact agreement. An exercise in balancing interests with interests, i suppose, and power brokerage processes. An American habituation.

 

[terranMarine]

It is not that black and white, actually. There are various interests and powers involved; the United States is undoubtedly placed in a precarious situation since she is involve in alliance with Saudi Arabia and at the same time courting Iranian favor with the recent nuclear pact agreement. An exercise in balancing interests with interests, i suppose, and power brokerage processes. An American habituation.

pen pal you should know it's good for business as long there's chaos in the ME region. The US create one monster after another. Now that Russia is bombing the sh!t out of them Obama is crying of Russian aggression while in the meantime US has bombed a hospital in Kunduz. American humor

 

[Aepsilons]

pen pal you should know it's good for business as long there's chaos in the ME region. The US create one monster after another. Now that Russia is bombing the sh!t out of them Obama is crying of Russian aggression while in the meantime US has bombed a hospital in Kunduz. American humor

Too many conflicting interests, at the same time. I suppose it illustrates a level, to a degree, of the depth of American interests in that region in the world.

 

[tranquilium]

I think we have to understand , all of us here, that the root of the cause is ideological warfare. Most of DAESH volunteers have been influenced by salafist jihad ideology , as well as many are graduates of Wahabist schools of thought that have been propagated in Eurasia, Central Asia, the Middle East and even in the West. Syria is a battle ground for Saudi and Irani interests vis-a-vis by proxy. So long as both Saudi and Irani interests will conflict, they will use proxy engagements. For one is the Saudi offensive in Yemen, by the way , which we don't even hear in news media here in the United States.

It is not that black and white, actually. There are various interests and powers involved; the United States is undoubtedly placed in a precarious situation since she is involve in alliance with Saudi Arabia and at the same time courting Iranian favor with the recent nuclear pact agreement. An exercise in balancing interests with interests, i suppose, and power brokerage processes. An American habituation.

Also, Syria is not Iraq or Afghanistan. It is one of the last bastion of influence Russia has in Middle East. The fact that Russia recently demonstrated in Ukraine that they are not afraid to get their hands dirty is a large deterrent to direct military intervention by US.

The original 2011 Syria proposal in UN security council was actually a test. If Russia agreed or abstained (which was a realistic possibility back then), then US and EU may have sufficient confidence for non-military involvement by Russia. Of course, we all know the result of that vote now and China joining in the veto pretty much threw direct military action out of window.

Interestingly, after Russia annexation of Crimea in March 2014 and Russia-EU trade war started, another Syrian proposal was brought up in US security council in May 2014. Now, in my personal opinion, this is not a coincidence. This is US-EU testing water again and the result was another veto by Russia and China. So for now, a direct military intervention by US is not likely.

Also, Obama has a little more than a year left in his office. His priority is pushing Obama care as his political legacy. I seriously doubt he want people to remember him as the president that started a war (indirect that may be) with Russia during his last year in office.

 

[Indos]

A lot of the opposition force is ISIS. Bashar's best chance is actually to hold out against ISIS advance long enough for it to fragment and start attacking something else.

Also, elections fix nothing at all, especially between Saudi and Iran. Basically, for Saudi Arabia, the only fair election in Syria will be an election that put someone pro-Saudi to the office and it is the same deal for Iran.

Thats why Russia's bombing campaign will worsen the situation. This is the reasons:

Currently, the ones who is approaching Damascus is Islamist coalition group (non-ISIS) which has become one of the target of Russian in Idlib province.

Once this group can reach Damascus, ISIS power will collapse, it is due to the fact that most Syrian who join ISIS is actually do it for practicality reason, not really ideological. And if piece deal can be reached between the Baat party and moderate opposition forces, especially if the deal forces Bashar to leave Syria, the strength that ISIS currently gain Today will collapse drastically.

Many Syrians join ISIS mostly because it is the most effective group to crush Bashar regime.

 

[tranquilium]

Thats why Russia's bombing campaign will worsen the situation. This is the reasons:

Currently, the ones who is approaching Damascus is Islamist coalition group (non-ISIS) which has become one of the target of Russian in Idlib province.

Once this group can reach Damascus, ISIS power will collapse since most Syrian join it for practicality reason, not really ideological. And if piece deal can be reached between the Baat party and moderate opposition forces, especially if the deal forces Bashar to leave Syria, the strength that ISIS currently gain Today will collapse drastically.

Many Syrians join ISIS mostly because it is the most effective group to crush Bashar regime.

Well, that is theoretically true, but then again Bashar and Russia haven't rolled over in the past decade, they are not likely to do now.

Also, you need to consider that for any government to maintain legitimacy, rolling over and run and hopefully the enemy collapsed on itself is not a strategy to be considered.

History has shown that It is also hard for radical, religion based organization such as ISIS to maintain itself. While it is true many powers in history started out as religion groups, none of them are extremists groups. This is because running a country, particular in region like middle east, require the ability to tolerate and band many different ethic and religious groups together for a common goal and extremism is pretty bad at that.

 

[ahojunk]

IMHO, in middle east, the big time losers are Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and now it looks like Saudi Arabia is next.

If Turkey is not careful, they could also be the next loser.

The big winners are Iran and the Kurds. Iran gets to extend its influence to Iraq, Yemen and Syria. The Kurds may finally get a homeland which they can call their own. I do hope that the KRG, YPG and PKK can work together.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Well, that is theoretically true, but then again Bashar and Russia haven't rolled over in the past decade, they are not likely to do now.

Also, you need to consider that for any government to maintain legitimacy, rolling over and run and hopefully the enemy collapsed on itself is not a strategy to be considered.

History has shown that It is also hard for radical, religion based organization such as ISIS to maintain itself. While it is true many powers in history started out as religion groups, none of them are extremists groups. This is because running a country, particular in region like middle east, require the ability to tolerate and band many different ethic and religious groups together for a common goal and extremism is pretty bad at that.

You do realize that Assad regime already lost its legitimacy years ago, hence the civil war. Also the truth is that even if the regime win it will still lose regardless of Rusky intervention.

 

[opruh]

US started the mess, they should be the one to clean it up.

 

[tranquilium]

You do realize that Assad regime already lost its legitimacy years ago, hence the civil war. Also the truth is that even if the regime win it will still lose regardless of Rusky intervention.

To the opposition, of course, but then again Assad also have plenty of supporters. This is the entire reason there is a civil war in the first place----both side got supporters, neither side is backing down and violence is used as the solution.

 

[Zibago]

God bless Murica

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

To the opposition, of course, but then again Assad also have plenty of supporters. This is the entire reason there is a civil war in the first place----both side got supporters, neither side is backing down and violence is used as the solution.

Assad will still lose in the end.