US will start WW3 if war expands to Pakistan : Gen Hamid Gul

[Solomon2]

As far as knowing various armed factions in Afghanistan and Pakistan I think Gul is near the top in the world. We can't dismiss him.

As I understand it, retired Pakistani generals lose influence immediately. That didn't happen with Gul. Makes me wonder if he's really "retired" at all.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

no he is not retired and soon will lead his team of invaders in a city near u

TARIQ

 

[ZaYYaF]

no he is not retired and soon will lead his team of invaders in a city near u

TARIQ

Tariq bhai, tanz ki bhi had hoti, itna bhi tu na darayein becharay ko. Lol!

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Tariq bhai, tanz ki bhi had hoti, itna bhi tu na darayein becharay ko. Lol!

LOL

yaar it was a deeng not a tanz

TARIQ

 

[blain2]

As I understand it, retired Pakistani generals lose influence immediately. That didn't happen with Gul. Makes me wonder if he's really "retired" at all.

His influence is that of a commentator, no more and no less. Even if you discount most of what he says, I am sure there is still something for you to take away from his experience, past involvement in the region. At one point, Hamid Gul, like the rest of his peers in the Army were a very pro-American, anti-Russian lot. However the one constant was always that they were Pakistani nationalists as well.

The past 10 years have seen the erosion of Pakistani leverage in Pakistan's direct neighbourhood and the undermining of Pakistan's security. This has not gone down too well for most of the Pakistani nationalists and thus you see it being communicated in the form of anti-Americanism.

However the reality remains that most such people do not have any ideological alignment with AQ types against the US. Its mostly out of concern for the way Pakistan's concerns and interests have been shoved by the wayside as a result of US presence in Afghanistan and what the US is trying to architect there now.

As recently quoted in a news report, a Pakistani officer said "we are not suicidal idiots." The point being that nobody in the Pakistani security establishment wants a war or standoff with the US and nobody wants to hurt the interests of the US. However there is a very strong desire to preserve Pakistan's interests and because nobody on the US side is ready to listen to Pakistan's concern, there is a sense of betrayal that most on the American side cannot comprehend.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Any pakistani who doesnot taunt his own talk for pak interest to them is alqaida , evil etc

yeh kabhi bhi khosh na hoon gay unless we talk like them walk like them etc

TARIQ

 

[Solomon2]

Gul is just a commentator? My impression is that the media flock to him as a primary source.

As pointed out, the question is whether or not the Pakistani Army are suicidal idiots. The officer denies it, but that's begging the question: simply by allowing for decades militant groups to teach and train on its territory who then attack military personnel and installations, hasn't the P.A. behaved exactly like "suicidal idiots"? And if their judgment was bad then, why should it be considered better now that they are winking their eye (if not actively supplying) at insurgents bombarding U.S. troops in Afghanistan with rockets fired from Pakistani territory, thus creating the appearance of a provocation that, if the U.S. acts, Pakistan will find no international support?

 

[regular]

thanks mate but what i want to know is why muslims of subcontinent are so easily mislead im confused that they are grown up but still just ...?

The problem is ignorance about the religions even if ure grownups pplz can decieve u and use u for their political or personal benefits.
In our religion Muslims have love for their religion but some people use this factor and misguide them for their political agendas. The solution for that all the Muslims shold learn their religion thouroughly so that nobody can decieve them within their religion or use them for anykinda benefit against humanity or else.

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Infact the Satanic powers use the innocent Muslims for their evil agendas.

 

[blain2]

Gul is just a commentator? My impression is that the media flock to him as a primary source.

As pointed out, the question is whether or not the Pakistani Army are suicidal idiots. The officer denies it, but that's begging the question: simply by allowing for decades militant groups to teach and train on its territory who then attack military personnel and installations, hasn't the P.A. behaved exactly like "suicidal idiots"? And if their judgment was bad then, why should it be considered better now that they are winking their eye (if not actively supplying) at insurgents bombarding U.S. troops in Afghanistan with rockets fired from Pakistani territory, thus creating the appearance of a provocation that, if the U.S. acts, Pakistan will find no international support?

There is a distinction. The Americans did the same during the 80s by funding and training militants, who were just as zealous as they are now, to further their interests. Agreed? What saved the US was that you were thousands of miles away from these militants. So they found refuge in Pakistan and persisted. Rehabilitation of these chaps was a non-option because nobody bothered or worried about what happens to them once the Soviets disbanded and took off.

Pakistan, left with thousands of such trained militants, and herself cut off from all military and economic aid, took on these elements and used them to further her own interests with those who aligned with her. If you think that what we did was wrong, then please apply some of that very same judgment to your dealings in the 80s with these very same people.

To your point about insurgents bombing US troops from Pakistan, yes I am sure some rockets are being fired from the Pakistani territory, however how many casualties have the US troops taken? 0! On the other hand, more than 100 Pakistani paramilitary and levies troops have died in the past 3 months as a result of cross border attacks on Pakistani positions from the Afghan side. So lets realize that you cannot dump the blame on Pakistan only. Also you need to be mindful of the history, Pakistani troops will not let Afghans set up positions and move around and encroach on the Pakistan side of the border. Currently, the Afghans are using the Americans to move around in these areas and instigate a fire fight here and there and the Americans are allowing themselves to be used as pawns in this "Durrand line" issue.

The US can act, but to what end? Do you think that the Pashtun fight will end just because the US will have boots on the ground inside Pakistan?

Bottom line is that if the Americans have gripes, so do Pakistanis. In fairness there is a need to realize Pakistan's concerns. The rest like this rocket fire etc. is all tactical stuff. If you tighten up your side, there would be willingness to tighten up on our side. If the mantra is "Pakistan do more", then we have our limits. Pakistan has sacrificed her interests way more than any other country in the region and to only expect us to give up while others make merry means something is wrong with this equation.

 

[Mav3rick]

exactlly and sir do you think your country can do something about the moronic elite you people have if yes when will that happen

My friend, if any of us so called 'enlightened' folks knew the answer to that problem would it still exist? Perhaps an iteration process of democracy?

 

[Mav3rick]

Gul is just a commentator? My impression is that the media flock to him as a primary source.

As pointed out, the question is whether or not the Pakistani Army are suicidal idiots. The officer denies it, but that's begging the question: simply by allowing for decades militant groups to teach and train on its territory who then attack military personnel and installations, hasn't the P.A. behaved exactly like "suicidal idiots"? And if their judgment was bad then, why should it be considered better now that they are winking their eye (if not actively supplying) at insurgents bombarding U.S. troops in Afghanistan with rockets fired from Pakistani territory, thus creating the appearance of a provocation that, if the U.S. acts, Pakistan will find no international support?

To understand what you have asked, you must revisit history. Were any attacks being carried out in Pakistan Military before US invasion if Afghanistan? The so called fighters started attacking PM only after PM had started operations in the tribal areas on direct US dictation. The attacks only grew worse on PM and Pakistani population after the US started using drones. These drones are murdering innocent women and children along with, perhaps, some intended US targets.........so what do the relatives of the martyred women and children do? They pick up arms against the US and her allies which, unfortunately, include Pakistan.

Post 9/11 how many attacks have been carried out on US soil? Instead of invading 2 countries, bombings millions of civilians and destroying 2 countries perhaps the US might have been even better off counselling & supporting the countries to root out terrorism, if any existed. Also, when I speak of terrorism I mean invading forces. The root problem being faced by humanity today is arrogance of today's super powers and existence of Bombs capable of annihilating civilization, let me explain:

It is arrogance of super powers to believe that they will stay a super power forever, it's just a matter of time, we have history screaming of the fate of super powers of their time but nobody learns. Just for example if today NK stumbles upon a protective shield against WMDs and attacks the US with WMDs would the US be able to defend herself if many of her military concentrations, and other strategic infrastructure is destroyed? On the other hand US WMD's would be useless. What I mean to say is that it may take 1 discovery to neutralize the advantage the US has over other countries today. That is if she does not crumble under her own debt and financial crisis.

Now the second part of my msg means that since WMDs exist, none of the super powers would interfere even to save some of her own interests if there was any chance of it escalating to use of WMDs so nobody came to the rescue of Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya. But would the US have attacked and invaded those countries if they were Nuclear.....that is a question to which I leave the answer to you.