US to give 40pc aid to Pakistan via non-govt sector

[53fd]

Listen kiddo, I say that endearingly because I'm way older than you. read what I said-- "for the last 10 years! "

aid is not something new. when you were in kindergarten( hell before you even born they been giving economic and military aid)- the US was sending aid to Pakistan. read before replying this time.

I was talking about the aid Pakistan received post 9-11. I gave you figures that have shown that Pakistan has only got a small fraction of the proposed aid from the US, and you clearly have no response to that. You clearly have no counterargument to that, because I told you I wasn't talking about pre-9/11 events, yet you quoted a whole page spanning from 1950 to today about the US aid received by Pakistan.

 

[JayAtl]

I was talking about the aid Pakistan received post 9-11. I gave you figures that have shown that Pakistan has only got a small fraction of the proposed aid from the US, and you clearly have no response to that. You clearly have no argument to that, because I told you I wasn't talking about pre-9/11 events, yet you quoted a whole page spanning from 1950 to today about the US aid received by Pakistan.

Look. I like your spunk and all -but you showing your immaturity now . First aid is not given in lump sum rather in tranches ( look up the meaning of tranche), 200- 2009 has been paid! 2009-2014 is in tranches . you need to stop being stubborn.

second re read this

2001-2009: Since 9/11, the United States has once again bolstered its funding commitments, sending nearly $9 billion in military assistance both to aid and reimburse Pakistan for its operations in the unwieldy border regions with Afghanistan. Another $3.6 billion has funded economic and diplomatic initiatives. But U.S. officials and journalists' accounts have raised concerns that such funds are not being used as intended, and not just because of the typical concerns about corruption. Documented military and civilian government deals with Taliban elements, like a 2004 agreement with Waziri militant leader Nek Mohammed, have confirmed that money intended to fight the Taliban is, in many cases, being used instead to pay them off. (Islamabad is currently battling Taliban fighters in Waziristan.) When the deals fall through, as rapidly shifting alliances in Pakistan's tribal regions often do, that money ultimately ends up funding the insurgency. U.S. officials have expressed particular concerns about the Pakistani government's links to the Haqqani network in North Waziristan, which reportedly has ties to Al Qaeda. At the same time, former president Pervez Musharraf has recently admitted to using U.S. military funding to strengthen defenses against India.

2009-2014: A new five-year, $7.5 billion assistance package was passed by Congress in September and signed by President Obama in October, with stipulations explicitly prohibiting funds from being used for nuclear proliferation, to support terrorist groups, or to pay for attacks in neighboring countries. It also puts a new emphasis on the bottom line, reserving the right to cut off aid if Pakistan fails to crack down on militants. Those restrictions have opened a rift between the military and the civilian government in Pakistan, which maintain an uneasy relationship following nearly a decade of military rule under Musharraf. Military leaders worry they are being sidelined by the increased U.S. emphasis on development and accountability, claiming the bill threatens Pakistan's sovereignty. But supporters of the bill say the restrictions are no more stringent than previous ones, and accuse Pakistani military leaders of manufacturing a crisis to undermine the civilian government.

P.S> after this report ,the US gave another 2 billion to pak military just before obama's visit to India.


that makes it PAID TO DATE: ( 9 billion + 3.6 billion + 2 billion + what they have paid to date on kerry lugar bill ) since 911

 

[SMC]

^ You do realize that there's no war in Afghanistan without the aid that US gives to Pakistan, right? The war that you being an Indian-American would wish to continue to as long as eternity? The only other option would be invading Pakistan, which would make US bankrupt even faster and break into 50 pieces.

And listen, the aid that we get is only a drop in the bucket for what we've lost due to this war. Either end this war and end the aid, or continue the war and continue paying aid. Can't have it both ways.

 

[53fd]

2001-2009: Since 9/11, the United States has once again bolstered its funding commitments, sending nearly $9 billion in military assistance both to aid and reimburse Pakistan for its operations in the unwieldy border regions with Afghanistan. Another $3.6 billion has funded economic and diplomatic initiatives.

P.S> after this report ,the US gave another 2 billion to pak military just before obama's visit to India.

that makes it ( 9 billion + 3.6 billion + 2 billion + what they have paid to date on kerry lugar bill ) since 911

This is where you are getting confused sir. These are the amounts the US has/had proposed to give to Pakistan, but only a fraction of these amounts has been received by Pakistan. It has been explicitly stated that Pakistan has only received a fraction of the proposed payments. There has been no official confirmation from your links that Pakistan has actually received those payments. I've given you enough information already from impartial sources (Washington Post, Huffington Post) spanning from 2002-2008 and 2010, that Pakistan has only received a fraction of the figures you have quoted above.

 

[53fd]

^ You do realize that there's no war in Afghanistan without the aid that US gives to Pakistan, right? The war that you being an Indian-American would wish to continue to as long as eternity? The only other option would be invading Pakistan, which would make US bankrupt even faster and break into 50 pieces.

And listen, the aid that we get is only a drop in the bucket for what we've lost due to this war. Either end this war and end the aid, or continue the war and continue paying aid. Can't have it both ways.

I would love to see how much support JayAtl would give to America the day it decides to attack India. No matter how much he tries to show his loyalties lie with the US, his loyalties will always lie with India, which is why he wants to prolong the war in Afghanistan and see turmoil in Pakistan, even if it means bankrupting the US. I would never wish the US to extend a war into India.

 

[JayAtl]

This is where you are getting confused sir. These are the amounts the US has/had proposed to give to Pakistan, but only a fraction of these amounts has been received by Pakistan. It has been explicitly stated that Pakistan has only received a fraction of the proposed payments. I've given you enough information already from impartial sources (Washington Post, Huffington Post) spanning from 2002-2008 and 2010, that Pakistan has only received a fraction of the figures you have quoted above.

dude , you are digging a hole

THE money that is being talked about not having been received in all is 2009-2014 kerry lugar bill money and not 2000- 2009 aid package- that has been already given.

 

[53fd]

dude , you are digging a hole

THE money that is being talked about not having been received in all is 2009-2014 kerry lugar bill money and not 2000- 2009 aid package- that has been already given.

Let me give you some statistics for the years 2002 to 2008:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The United States has long suspected that much of the billions of dollars it has sent Pakistan to battle militants has been diverted to the domestic economy and other causes, such as fighting India.

Now the scope and longevity of the misuse is becoming clear: Between 2002 and 2008, while al-Qaida regrouped, only $500 million of the $6.6 billion in American aid actually made it to the Pakistani military, two army generals tell The Associated Press.


At the time of the siphoning, Pervez Musharraf, a Washington ally, served as both chief of staff and president, making it easier to divert money intended for the military to bolster his sagging image at home through economic subsidies.

"The army itself got very little," said retired Gen. Mahmud Durrani, who was Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. under Musharraf. "It went to things like subsidies, which is why everything looked hunky-dory. The military was financing the war on terror out of its own budget."

Generals and ministers say the diversion of the money hurt the military in very real ways:

_Helicopters critical to the battle in rugged border regions were not available. At one point in 2007, more than 200 soldiers were trapped by insurgents in the tribal regions without a helicopter lift to rescue them.

_The limited night vision equipment given to the army was taken away every three months for inventory and returned three weeks later.

_Equipment was broken, and training was lacking. It was not until 2007 that money was given to the Frontier Corps, the front-line force, for training.

Source: The Huffington Post

Billions In U.S. Aid To Pakistan Never Reached Army, Generals Say

Some other clarifications. $6.6 billion in 6 years equals $1.1billion per year. The $1.5billion per year the US pledged to give to Pakistan was both for military and non-military purposes. Essentially, the US pledged $0.4 billion per year for non-military purposes; and $1.1billion for military purposes, or for the military services Pakistan provided for the US, aka NO FREEBIE. I think it is clear, with the larger scale of operations conducted (& more success) by the Pakistan Army in Pakistan as compared to the US/NATO forces on the Afghan side, it deserved a lot more military ASSISTANCE (NOT aid) than it actually got. Afghanistan has got more than $170billion since the WOT.

Some simple calculations for you again:

500/6600 x 100 = 7.58% of US proposed aid actually given out to Pakistan

 

[SMC]

^ Ok, yes, we've got 18 billion since WoT. You probably however know that over half of that is actually reimbursements to Pakistan, not aid. This leaves anywhere from 7 to 9 billion in aid. Listen, that's a bargain that US is getting for running the supply line through Pakistan. Considering how much Pakistan has lost in WoT, if I were in charge of Pakistan I'd probably be asking for at least 10 billion per year.

 

[SMC]

Oh dear, so then the 18 billion figure is actually messed up. It's significantly less than that.

 

[JayAtl]

I would love to see how much support JayAtl would give to America the day it decides to attack India. No matter how much he tries to show his loyalties lie with the US, his loyalties will always lie with India, which is why he wants to prolong the war in Afghanistan and see turmoil in Pakistan, even if it means bankrupting the US.

you are now showing your age . I have advocated to get the hell out of there( afghan and drone attacks) since day one. US has not attacked pakistan , your govt has invited it to drone the hell out of it borders. If that happened to India, I would ask Indians to look to its govt and not blame the US. but we all know it will never happen to India! -- unlike you I would not be cursing the hand that feeds me due to my ignorance of not knowing whom to blame for it.

and I have been anti Iraq war from day one too... I can walk and chew gum too.

 

[JayAtl]

Let me give you some statistics for the years 2002 to 2008:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The United States has long suspected that much of the billions of dollars it has sent Pakistan to battle militants has been diverted to the domestic economy and other causes, such as fighting India.

Now the scope and longevity of the misuse is becoming clear: Between 2002 and 2008, while al-Qaida regrouped, only $500 million of the $6.6 billion in American aid actually made it to the Pakistani military, two army generals tell The Associated Press.

At the time of the siphoning, Pervez Musharraf, a Washington ally, served as both chief of staff and president, making it easier to divert money intended for the military to bolster his sagging image at home through economic subsidies.

"The army itself got very little," said retired Gen. Mahmud Durrani, who was Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. under Musharraf. "It went to things like subsidies, which is why everything looked hunky-dory. The military was financing the war on terror out of its own budget."

Generals and ministers say the diversion of the money hurt the military in very real ways:

_Helicopters critical to the battle in rugged border regions were not available. At one point in 2007, more than 200 soldiers were trapped by insurgents in the tribal regions without a helicopter lift to rescue them.

_The limited night vision equipment given to the army was taken away every three months for inventory and returned three weeks later.

_Equipment was broken, and training was lacking. It was not until 2007 that money was given to the Frontier Corps, the front-line force, for training.

Source: The Huffington Post



Billions In U.S. Aid To Pakistan Never Reached Army, Generals Say

Some other clarifications. $6.6 billion in 6 years equals $1.1billion per year. The $1.5billion per year the US pledged to give to Pakistan was both for military and non-military purposes. Essentially, the US pledged $0.4 billion per year for non-military purposes; and $1.1billion for military purposes, or for the military services Pakistan provided for the US, aka NO FREEBIE. I think it is clear, with the larger scale of operations conducted (& more success) by the Pakistan Army in Pakistan as compared to the US/NATO forces on the Afghan side, it deserved a lot more military ASSISTANCE (NOT aid) than it actually got. Afghanistan has got more than $170billion since the WOT.

Some simple calculations for you again:

500/6600 x 100 = 7.58% of US proposed aid actually given out to Pakistan

Good lord learn to comprehend english when you quote and bold it on top of it! ... the aid was given but your country Paksitan siphoned it off to corrupt deals.

At the time of the siphoning, Pervez Musharraf, a Washington ally, served as both chief of staff and president, making it easier to divert money intended for the military to bolster his sagging image at home through economic subsidies.

right now you are losing , have lost the debate and your just arguing in hopes of getting out of the hole you have dug. then you turn to attack me misdirected threads like "what would JayAtl say if had india was being attacked blah blah"

 

[53fd]

dude , you are digging a hole

THE money that is being talked about not having been received in all is 2009-2014 kerry lugar bill money and not 2000- 2009 aid package- that has been already given.

You are mixing up a few things here. The total "aid" you are talking about is not total aid, half of that "aid" is nothing but reimbursements for the services Pakistan has provided for the US in the WOT. It is Pakistan's rightful money for the services it has provided. The remaining half, half of that remaining half is military assistance for the WOT, the other remaining half of that half is non-military assistance. And as I have mentioned above, only $500 million out of the $6.6 billion proposed assistance by the US over 6 years (2002-2008) was actually received by Pakistan. Watch this link:

 

[SMC]

We've got only 10% of the aid from last year as well.

 

[SMC]

Listen, as long as the war keeps going, you're in no position to complain. Either try to get the war ended, or keep seeing the US state sending aid to Pakistan. Remember, what they give as aid is only drop in the bucket compared to what Pakistan loses for WoT. Stop complaining and grow the up.

 

[53fd]

the aid was given but your country Paksitan siphoned it off to corrupt deals.

Support this claim of yours with some unbiased sources.

I have already quoted from the Washington Post that for 2010, only $179.5 million out of $1.51 billion in U.S. civilian aid to Pakistan was actually disbursed in fiscal 2010, the Government Accountability Office stated in a report released last week.

Most U.S. aid to Pakistan still in America

Let me do some simple calculations here for you again:

179.5/1510 x 100 = 11.89% of the US proposed aid was actually sent out by them to Pakistan