US strikes in Pakistan will continue: Gates

[asaad-ul-islam]

Pasthtun,

That guy is lost in western culture ,we can expect this type of disgusting things from him.

Pashtun belong to basically arabs ,ban israel ,therefore we should respect because in our every paryer we send darood salam to Al ibrahim.

I sugest asadislam read islamic history he is ignorant .Must opologise for his remarks about pushtoon women

you don't even know who I am! what proof do you have that pashtuns are related to arabs and bani israel? do you have any genetic evidence? don't talk to me about islamic history, race, or arab culture. my family has a well-documented lineage going back to Madina, so don't talk to me about this arab crap.

I've asked this before, what happened when Sayyid Ahmad Shaheed asked the pashtun tribals to let his men from northern india marry their women? Tell me, are pashtun women only allowed to marry arabs, and not muslim men from northern indian cities like Deoband, Bareilly, Dehli? You guys are all rascists. don't even talk to me about western culture, before pointing fingers at the kuffar, take a good look at how our own muslim munafiqeen are destroying the ummah.

 

[Pashtun]

I've asked this before, what happened when Sayyid Ahmad Shaheed asked the pashtun tribals to let his men from northern india marry their women? Tell me, are pashtun women only allowed to marry arabs, and not muslim men from northern indian cities like Deoband, Bareilly, Dehli? You guys are all rascists. don't even talk to me about western culture, before pointing fingers at the kuffar, take a good look at how our own muslim munafiqeen are destroying the ummah.

Where has it been documented that sayid Ahmed asked the Pashtun tribes to marry their women to his men? can you provide an authentic source to your claim?

 

[waraich66]

you don't even know who I am! what proof do you have that pashtuns are related to arabs and bani israel? do you have any genetic evidence? don't talk to me about islamic history, race, or arab culture. my family has a well-documented lineage going back to Madina, so don't talk to me about this arab crap.

I've asked this before, what happened when Sayyid Ahmad Shaheed asked the pashtun tribals to let his men from northern india marry their women? Tell me, are pashtun women only allowed to marry arabs, and not muslim men from northern indian cities like Deoband, Bareilly, Dehli? You guys are all rascists. don't even talk to me about western culture, before pointing fingers at the kuffar, take a good look at how our own muslim munafiqeen are destroying the ummah.

Read about "ten lost tribes".You will know history and back ground of pushtoons,

Also there is indication in islamic books that in last war between Dajjal and Hazrat Eisa A.S , forces helped Hazrat Eisa and IMAM mehdi which belong to kurasan (Afghanistan,Pakistan,India) wearing black turbines on head.

Talaban and Pushtoon Tribes only wear these type of turbines so this WOT is not going to end very soon it will last uptill last war between Hazrat Eisa AS and Dajjal.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Read about "ten lost tribes".You will know history and back ground of pushtoons,

Also there is indication in islamic books that in last war between Dajjal and Hazrat Eisa A.S , forces helped Hazrat Eisa and IMAM mehdi which belong to kurasan (Afghanistan,Pakistan,India) wearing black turbines on head.

Talaban and Pushtoon Tribes only wear these type of turbines so this WOT is not going to end very soon it will last uptill last war between Hazrat Eisa AS and Dajjal.

well, now I know you can't interpret ahadith. anyone can wear a black turban on, go to afghanistan and claim that they are from amongst the Mahdi Army of the twelve black banners. There are, literally, ten or more groups in the region alone who do that. Khurasaan is the border region between Afghanistan and Iran, that region was known as Khurasaan at the time of the Sahaba (RA).

First, let's focus on the al ciada, whose leaders, proudly wore black turbans and carried black flags, what happened to them? Now let's focus on the taliban in afghanistan, how are they doing? these guys can't even organize properly, without getting bombs dropped on their heads from 30,000 feet above. America is not there to win, they are only there to occupy until they can destabilize Pakistan and invade, or at least settle for a few pipelines from central asia. They won't be able to do that, if the militant threat fades away, thus they will create that threat.

It's similar to what they did in Iraq, militants were openly coming from Saudi, yet the americans did not give a damn. They created more sectarian strife between the sunni and shi'a groups, eventually leading up to the destruction of one of the most important shi'a shrines. that helped prolong their stay in Iraq, until they worked out a deal with the iraqi govt. with oil. A little before that they claimed a surge would do the trick of easing violence, but all it really was them buying muslim allies who could fight against the other sunni militant groups.

yet, there are plenty of simple-minded people who can't possibly interpret and grasp the complexities of the geo-strategic game going on in the region. They go on to say that america is loosing, that is a good joke. america was never there to win in the first place, they were only there to set up govt.'s of their own, and so far they have succeeded. the only place where they can't succeed, is Pakistan, because of the ISI and the military establishment.

get this through your head, the black army does not exist yet. it will come, insha'Allah, but not yet. the muslim ummah has to grow stronger in terms of iman, and military power. that's why groups such has hizb-ul-tahrir stress so much importance on Pakistan, because Pakistan is the only muslim country that has an army that can actually fight. keep in mind, besides the PA and ISI training the mujahideen, there were plenty of Pakistani army officers and ISI officers fighting alongside with the mujahideen.

it's true that muslims need iman to win, however, if they don't even have the bare minimum of weapons, they cannot fight. actually, the requirement for fighting, is to have weapons of contemporary standard. if the black army is going to come, they will need air support, something they cannot have without Pakistan. they need intelligence, which they can't get except from Pakistan. to end this here, I don't even need to reply to you because at the end of the day, you are just someone sitting at home that can complain about the troubles of the muslim world and protest. you don't fight and can't fight. when the army needed people to do jihad in Kargil, you didn't show up at all. I find most people useless and pathetic, it's no wonder the muslim world is in such a mess, because the only thing muslims can do is protest.

 

[S-2]

"...they worked out a deal with the iraqi govt. with oil."

Here are our imports by nation as of November, 2008-

Oil Imports by Nation-EIA

What deal might that be, please? Is there a link to the press announcement? We buy very little oil from the gulf states as our needs are met elsewhere. Those purchases we make, elsewhere or the gulf, are bought under market prices before importing to America.

"...you don't fight and can't fight. when the army needed people to do jihad in Kargil, you didn't show up at all."

Can you explain just how you were recruited for Kargil and the training offered? I'd be interested to learn more here and presume you know as I can't imagine you to be so useless and pathetic.

Do you intend to leave America and return to Pakistan? I understand that there are many irhabist fighters who are old or older so age doesn't seem a requirement-only determination.

 

[waraich66]

well, now I know you can't interpret ahadith. anyone can wear a black turban on, go to afghanistan and claim that they are from amongst the Mahdi Army of the twelve black banners. There are, literally, ten or more groups in the region alone who do that. Khurasaan is the border region between Afghanistan and Iran, that region was known as Khurasaan at the time of the Sahaba (RA).

I mention only indication ,interpretation of hadith is critical thing any mistake is considered very seriously ,but you could not understand these things because your knowledge is limited about islam and history of islam and nations.

First, let's focus on the al ciada, whose leaders, proudly wore black turbans and carried black flags, what happened to them? Now let's focus on the taliban in afghanistan, how are they doing? these guys can't even organize properly, without getting bombs dropped on their heads from 30,000 feet above. America is not there to win, they are only there to occupy until they can destabilize Pakistan and invade, or at least settle for a few pipelines from central asia. They won't be able to do that, if the militant threat fades away, thus they will create that threat.

Again you are conmfused here ,US and Zoinist regime have multiple intrest in this region ,at the moment they are doing investment why because they know very well that Afghanistan is epi center of mujahdeens and this WOT is idealogical war two different faith are in clash with each other ,Afghanistan has very important strategic location which is only easiy excess for central
asia ,who ever control this region will rule the world in this century.

It's similar to what they did in Iraq, militants were openly coming from Saudi, yet the americans did not give a damn. They created more sectarian strife between the sunni and shi'a groups, eventually leading up to the destruction of one of the most important shi'a shrines. that helped prolong their stay in Iraq, until they worked out a deal with the iraqi govt. with oil. A little before that they claimed a surge would do the trick of easing violence, but all it really was them buying muslim allies who could fight against the other sunni militant groups.

Satuation in iraq is totally different from Afghanistan ,all arround iraq shia majority government located ,they supported US againt saddam because he was sunni but now they dont need US forces they have their own agenda.

yet, there are plenty of simple-minded people who can't possibly interpret and grasp the complexities of the geo-strategic game going on in the region. They go on to say that america is loosing, that is a good joke. america was never there to win in the first place, they were only there to set up govt.'s of their own, and so far they have succeeded. the only place where they can't succeed, is Pakistan, because of the ISI and the military establishment.

Very funny judgement that america not attacked for victory againt talaban .They got victory but failed to restore it .Presently war is continue my spread in pakistan and iran ,let see the results.

get this through your head, the black army does not exist yet. it will come, insha'Allah, but not yet. the muslim ummah has to grow stronger in terms of iman, and military power. that's why groups such has hizb-ul-tahrir stress so much importance on Pakistan, because Pakistan is the only muslim country that has an army that can actually fight. keep in mind, besides the PA and ISI training the mujahideen, there were plenty of Pakistani army officers and ISI officers fighting alongside with the mujahideen.

Prolong war in afghanistan is indication of start of last war .Our nation including PA is precently go through a transition period in which nation will be divided into two group anti american and american.

it's true that muslims need iman to win, however, if they don't even have the bare minimum of weapons, they cannot fight. actually, the requirement for fighting, is to have weapons of contemporary standard. if the black army is going to come, they will need air support, something they cannot have without Pakistan. they need intelligence, which they can't get except from Pakistan. to end this here, I don't even need to reply to you because at the end of the day, you are just someone sitting at home that can complain about the troubles of the muslim world and protest. you don't fight and can't fight. when the army needed people to do jihad in Kargil, you didn't show up at all. I find most people useless and pathetic, it's no wonder the muslim world is in such a mess, because the only thing muslims can do is protest.

For Allah to destroy and jam all electronics is matter of seconds ,ALLAH can rotate the world once up side down ,your whole magnetic field of world distrubed and no electronic toy will work any more in world .

So both forces will come at same level to fight with mechanical weapons iron era will come back again ,every thing is in hand of Allah.This is our IMAN

 

[roadrunner]

Waraich,

the 10 lost tribes Pashtun thing is bogus.

Pashtuns are not related to anything Middle Eastern. They are from more Northern stock.

 

[waraich66]

Waraich,

the 10 lost tribes Pashtun thing is bogus.

Pashtuns are not related to anything Middle Eastern. They are from more Northern stock.

Any link sir

 

[roadrunner]

Haplogroup J is concentrated in Southern Saudi Arabia. 50-80%.

Arab Origin

It's completely a separate identity to Pashtuns.

 

[waraich66]

Haplogroup J is concentrated in Southern Saudi Arabia. 50-80%.

Arab Origin

It's completely a separate identity to Pashtuns.

Pure Arabs: They allegedly originated from the progeny of Ya‘rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan so were also called Qahtanian Arabs.

Arabized Arabs: They allegedly originated from the progeny of Ishmael Son of the biblical patriarch Abraham and were also called ‘Adnani Arabs.

Hazrat Ibrahim had two sons Ishmael and Ishaq , Dawood( also named Israel) AS was the son of Ishaq AS .

Hazrat Dawood AS had twelve sons later become 12 tribes ,During distruction of Palestin near 750BC one tribe moved toward Afghanistan and settled there.

Pushtoon are among ten lost tribes of bani Israel .Hence proved

Pl read below info
Groups claiming descent from a non-specific Lost Tribe
Some groups believe themselves to be descended from one of the Lost Tribes, but don't know which one. These include:

The Lemba tribeLemba Overview

The Lemba or Lembaa are a group of people numbering 70,000 in southern Africa....
(from Southern AfricaSouthern Africa

Southern Africa is the southernmost region of the African continent, variably defined by geography or geopolitics....
) claims to be descended from a lost tribe which fled from modern YemenYemen

Yemen, officially the Republic of Yemen, is a Middle Eastern country located on the Arabian Peninsula in Southwest Asi...
and journeyed south.
The House of Israel in GhanaGhana Overview

Ghana, officially the Republic of Ghana, is a country in West Africa....
claims to be one of the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Pashtun peoplePashtun people

The Pashtuns , or Pathan or ethnic Afghans are an ethno-linguistic group living primarily in eastern and southe...
, ethnic Afghans traditionally claim descent from the Lost Tribes.Kashmiri peopleKashmiri people

Kashmiri refers to the Indo-Aryan people who ancestrally belong to the region of Kashmir....
, like the Pashtun peoplePashtun people

The Pashtuns , or Pathan or ethnic Afghans are an ethno-linguistic group living primarily in eastern and southe...
, traditionally trace their ancestry back to the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Chiang Min peopleChiang Min people

About 250 thousand people called Chiang or Chiang-Min, by the Chinese, live in the mountainous area of northwest China, west of th...
(from northwestern ChinaNorthwestern China Summary

Northwestern China includes Xinjiang, Xizang, Ningxia, and Gansu. ...
) claim to be descendants of Abraham.
Jews of Kaifeng are the best documented Jewish community in China.
British IsraelismBritish Israelism

British Israelism is a complex set of theories, not necessarily compatible with each other, that have in common the idea tha...
(sometimes called Anglo-Israelism) claims that the British are the direct lineal descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel.

Ten Lost Tribes: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article

 

[Omar1984]

I've asked this before, what happened when Sayyid Ahmad Shaheed asked the pashtun tribals to let his men from northern india marry their women? Tell me, are pashtun women only allowed to marry arabs, and not muslim men from northern indian cities like Deoband, Bareilly, Dehli? You guys are all rascists. don't even talk to me about western culture, before pointing fingers at the kuffar, take a good look at how our own muslim munafiqeen are destroying the ummah.

I dont know what world you live in. Here in the Pakistani community in U.S. I live in, I know a Punjabi Pakistani man married to a Pashtun Pakistani woman, who are happily married and just had a daughter. I also went to a wedding last month of a Kashmiri Pakistani boy (from Azad Kashmir) getting married to a Pashtun Pakistani girl. And when I lived in Islamabd, I've attended some weddings with mix ethnic groups...we are all Muslims and we are all Pakistanis so it shouldn't matter.
Dont get too caught up with what you read on the internet.
Pashtuns are patriotic Pakistanis

BTW I just want to add one more thing...some Punjabi Pakistanis can get racist, a lot still dont marry outside their castes/tribes...so please dont pick on any specific ethnic group because it happens among many people in Pakistan dont make generalizations.

 

[roadrunner]

Pure Arabs: They allegedly originated from the progeny of Ya‘rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan so were also called Qahtanian Arabs.

Arabized Arabs: They allegedly originated from the progeny of Ishmael Son of the biblical patriarch Abraham and were also called ‘Adnani Arabs.

Hazrat Ibrahim had two sons Ishmael and Ishaq , Dawood( also named Israel) AS was the son of Ishaq AS .

Hazrat Dawood AS had twelve sons later become 12 tribes ,During distruction of Palestin near 750BC one tribe moved toward Afghanistan and settled there.

Pushtoon are among ten lost tribes of bani Israel .Hence proved

Pl read below info
Groups claiming descent from a non-specific Lost Tribe
Some groups believe themselves to be descended from one of the Lost Tribes, but don't know which one. These include:

The Lemba tribeLemba Overview

The Lemba or Lembaa are a group of people numbering 70,000 in southern Africa....
(from Southern AfricaSouthern Africa

Southern Africa is the southernmost region of the African continent, variably defined by geography or geopolitics....
) claims to be descended from a lost tribe which fled from modern YemenYemen

Yemen, officially the Republic of Yemen, is a Middle Eastern country located on the Arabian Peninsula in Southwest Asi...
and journeyed south.
The House of Israel in GhanaGhana Overview

Ghana, officially the Republic of Ghana, is a country in West Africa....
claims to be one of the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Pashtun peoplePashtun people

The Pashtuns , or Pathan or ethnic Afghans are an ethno-linguistic group living primarily in eastern and southe...
, ethnic Afghans traditionally claim descent from the Lost Tribes.Kashmiri peopleKashmiri people

Kashmiri refers to the Indo-Aryan people who ancestrally belong to the region of Kashmir....
, like the Pashtun peoplePashtun people

The Pashtuns , or Pathan or ethnic Afghans are an ethno-linguistic group living primarily in eastern and southe...
, traditionally trace their ancestry back to the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Chiang Min peopleChiang Min people

About 250 thousand people called Chiang or Chiang-Min, by the Chinese, live in the mountainous area of northwest China, west of th...
(from northwestern ChinaNorthwestern China Summary

Northwestern China includes Xinjiang, Xizang, Ningxia, and Gansu. ...
) claim to be descendants of Abraham.
Jews of Kaifeng are the best documented Jewish community in China.
British IsraelismBritish Israelism

British Israelism is a complex set of theories, not necessarily compatible with each other, that have in common the idea tha...
(sometimes called Anglo-Israelism) claims that the British are the direct lineal descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel.

Ten Lost Tribes: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article

that does not prove anything.

I'll summarize it.

The strongest evidence there is that one of the tribes of banu israel allegedly moved in the direction of Afghanistan from the Middle East.

What sort of proof is that?

Haplogroups/genetic tests are undisputable proof that the origins of the Pasthuns is not a Middle Eastern one.

 

[roadrunner]

I dont know what world you live in. Here in the Pakistani community in U.S. I live in, I know a Punjabi Pakistani man married to a Pashtun Pakistani woman, who are happily married and just had a daughter. I also went to a wedding last month of a Kashmiri Pakistani boy (from Azad Kashmir) getting married to a Pashtun Pakistani girl. And when I lived in Islamabd, I've attended some weddings with mix ethnic groups...we are all Muslims and we are all Pakistanis so it shouldn't matter.
Dont get too caught up with what you read on the internet.
Pashtuns are patriotic Pakistanis

BTW I just want to add one more thing...some Punjabi Pakistanis can get racist, a lot still dont marry outside their castes/tribes...so please dont pick on any specific ethnic group because it happens among many people in Pakistan dont make generalizations.

It's not racist to marry within ones tribe.

There's no such thing as caste in Pakistan. Class, yes.

Finally, it's all this man married a Pashtun woman, the Arabs married a Pashtun woman etc etc! Change the story a bit. It's not a good idea to completely homogenize any ethnic group anyhow.

 

[waraich66]

that does not prove anything.

I'll summarize it.

The strongest evidence there is that one of the tribes of banu israel allegedly moved in the direction of Afghanistan from the Middle East.

What sort of proof is that?

Haplogroups/genetic tests are undisputable proof that the origins of the Pasthuns is not a Middle Eastern one.

Yes not all pasthuns are from lost tribes but majority of them example niazi are from turk branch of pasthuns

 

[Omar1984]

It's not racist to marry within ones tribe.

There's no such thing as caste in Pakistan. Class, yes.

Finally, it's all this man married a Pashtun woman, the Arabs married a Pashtun woman etc etc! Change the story a bit. It's not a good idea to completely homogenize any ethnic group anyhow.

Well yea I also know a Pashtun Pakistani man who married an Urdu speaking Pakistani girl from Karachi... I was repsonding to someone talking about someone not letting Pashtun women marry men from Northern India, I guess the era he was talking about was the era during Pakistan's Punjab was Northern India also.

Castes still do exist in Pakistan but they are nothing like castes in India...the castes that exist in Pakistan, especially Punjab, tell about your ancestors. For example, Gujjars, Jatts, Rajputs, Rai, Maliks, Syyeds. Many people in Pakistan still dont marry outside their own castes.