US State Department approves sale of long range land attack missiles and mobile rocket systems to Taiwan

[casual]

Yes, TW will unify CN mainland, like West Germany took control of East Germany after Soviet collapse.

CN economy is falling like Soviet now, there r 900 million Cnese living in poverty "thanks to" trade war

You sound like one of those FLG cultist losers lol.

 

[Viva_Viet]

You sound like one of those FLG cultist losers lol.

U cant deny that West Germany took control communist East Germany bcs East Germany economy collapse.

And CN economy is falling like East Germany now

 

[casual]

U cant deny that West Germany took control communist East Germany bcs East Germany economy collapse.

And CN economy is falling like East Germany now

Oh? And how exactly is CN economy falling?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Yes, TW will unify CN mainland, like West Germany took control of East Germany after Soviet collapse.

CN economy is falling like Soviet now, there r 900 million Cnese living in poverty "thanks to" trade war

Poor in China live better than rich in Vietnam.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Oh? And how exactly is CN economy falling?

There are 600 million Cnese earn less than 140 usd per month is what your PM Li admit, plus 290 million Cnese earn only abt 281 usd per month

u cant deny that there r abt 900 million Cnese that r even poorer than VN Luxshare, Samsung workers.

Too many poor ppl in CN due to trade war, CN is falling like East Germany

 

[khansaheeb]

US is giving Taiwan false hope and will shrug their shoulder when Taiwan gets bombed into rubble. Not conceivable in anyway how Taiwan can defend an outright onslaught by China.US will keep selling weapons and keeping their workers in jobs but the poor Taiwanese will end up in graves. As I said before it's best for Taiwan to negotiate integration into Mainland China.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

There are 600 million Cnese earn less than 140 usd per month is what your PM Li admit, plus 290 million Cnese earn only abt 281 usd per month

u cant deny that there r abt 900 million Cnese that r even poorer than VN Luxshare, Samsung workers.

Too many poor ppl in CN due to trade war, CN is falling like East Germany

average manufacturing salary in Vietnam is half that of China:

Manufacturing labor costs per hour: China, Vietnam, Mexico 2016-2020 | Statista

In 2018, manufacturing labor costs in China were estimated to be 5.51 U.S.

www.statista.com

That's just manufacturing salary. China has a massive white collar tech class that Vietnam doesn't have.

Vietnam is far higher than China in global hunger index:

Vietnam has almost no patents or top 1000 universities.

 

[LeGenD]

Taiwan is closely monitoring and watching Chinese military advances and developments in the region. It would be a mistake to assume that they do not have any strategy in mind.

These arms sales are provocation nevertheless. USA should make a decision about One China Policy. China should press USA to make its intentions clear in relation.

 

[casual]

There are 600 million Cnese earn less than 140 usd per month is what your PM Li admit, plus 290 million Cnese earn only abt 281 usd per month

u cant deny that there r abt 900 million Cnese that r even poorer than VN Luxshare, Samsung workers.

Too many poor ppl in CN due to trade war, CN is falling like East Germany

Source?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Taiwan is closely monitoring and watching Chinese military advances and developments in the region. It would be a mistake to assume that they do not have any strategy in mind.

These arms sales are provocation nevertheless. USA should make a decision about One China Policy. China should press USA to make its intentions clear in relation.

Taiwan does not have the capability to do anything. Any spending they do China can match 10 fold with superior domestic made weaponry.

 

[IceCold]

This kind of tit-for-tat posturing has continued just in the past 24 hours with the announcement late yesterday that the U.S. government had approved a trio of potential arms sales to Taiwan. The three packages center on possible deliveries of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems(HIMARS), AGM-84H Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response (SLAM-ER) missiles, and MS-110 podded reconnaissance systems for combat jets such as Taiwan's F-16 Viper fighters. The deals, which Taiwan will still have to formally agree to and could be subject to change as part of subsequent negotiations, are valued at more than $1.8 billion, combined, and include a variety of ancillary equipment and services.

So who is going to pay for all of this?

 

[LeGenD]

Taiwan does not have the capability to do anything. Any spending they do China can match 10 fold with superior domestic made weaponry.

Taiwan does not want to fight you on your terms.

China does have FIREPOWER on its side - sheer amount of it - which it can subject Taiwan to with ease. However, well-dug armies are not easily vanquished.

Taiwan have developed underground tunnel complexes to house its vital military infrastructure including Hengshan Military Command Center and the Air Operations Center and equipment to withstand incoming ballistic missiles from China just in case. Taiwan have spent much in making these complexes survivable to the extent possible with numerous contingency measures in place.

This was news back in 2010: http://en.people.cn/90001/90776/90882/6974393.html

Taiwan can choose to park jet fighters inside those complexes. Taiwan have also developed a vast networks of roads for its jet fighters to capitalize upon should the need arise.

Would you really want Taiwan to receive advanced American weapons? Taiwan will receive F-16 Block 70/72 in the (2024 - 2026) period for instance. These jet fighters will enable Taiwan to take a big bite out of PLAAF in case of hostilities - possibly more.

Mobile strike platforms such as HIMARS can also be moved into underground complexes. These can be used to strike at Chinese military assets from a distance and moved back in on short notice.

Taiwan's objective is to make it exceedingly difficult for Chinese troops to take over. For China, anything less is meaningless.

China is militarily strong but Taiwan benefits from American input and supplies. Your confidence in Chinese military might is duly noted given its pace of advances over the course of years (I can see things too), but never underestimate your adversaries. Expect numerous surprises inside Taiwan.

Therefore, my statement: "Taiwan is closely monitoring and watching Chinese military advances and developments in the region. It would be a mistake to assume that they do not have any strategy in mind."

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Taiwan does not want to fight you on your terms.

China does have FIREPOWER on its side - sheer amount of it - which it can subject Taiwan to with ease. However, well-dug armies are not easily vanquished.

Taiwan have developed underground tunnel complexes to house its vital military infrastructure including Hengshan Military Command Center and the Air Operations Center and equipment to withstand incoming ballistic missiles from China just in case. Taiwan have spent much in making these complexes survivable to the extent possible with numerous contingency measures in place.

This was news back in 2010: http://en.people.cn/90001/90776/90882/6974393.html

Taiwan can choose to park jet fighters inside those complexes. Taiwan have also developed a vast networks of roads for its jet fighters to capitalize upon should the need arise.

Would you really want Taiwan to receive advanced American weapons? Taiwan will receive F-16 Block 70/72 in the (2024 - 2026) period for instance. These jet fighters will enable Taiwan to take a big bite out of PLAAF in case of hostilities - possibly more.

Mobile strike platforms such as HIMARS can also be moved into underground complexes. These can be used to strike at Chinese military assets from a distance and moved back in on short notice.

Taiwan's objective is to make it exceedingly difficult for Chinese troops to take over. For China, anything less is meaningless.

China is militarily strong but Taiwan benefits from American input and supplies. Your confidence in Chinese military might is duly noted given its pace of advances over the course of years (I can see things too), but never underestimate your adversaries. Expect numerous surprises inside Taiwan.

Therefore, my statement: "Taiwan is closely monitoring and watching Chinese military advances and developments in the region. It would be a mistake to assume that they do not have any strategy in mind."

by 2024-2026 PLAAF will have 200+ J-20s that the F-16 regardless of block can neither detect at BVR or kinematically fight against WVR (not that they'll ever make it there). This is in addition to newly built 50+ 052C, 052D and 055 destroyers with 300 km range SAMs guided by 50+ KJ-2000, KJ-500, KJ-600 AWACs and of course, potentially 500+ J-10C and J-16 with AESA radar.

that is the true nightmare for Taiwan. You note that they need to repair the runways. Do they get the chance to repair? Even if they repair, when their planes take off they can be detected by AWACs and shot down. Their weapons are too short ranged to shoot back against the AWACs or the destroyers. That is the fundamental question: how do you fight an air war when your airfields are inside your adversary's air defense bubble? Taiwan starts inside the air defense equivalent of 10 US carrier strike groups. Good luck lmao.

the real kicker is situational awareness. unlike Pakistan and India, where both sides have very weak situational awareness, PLAAF enjoys an overwhelming advantage in situational awareness and network centric doctrine over the ROCAF which only has 6 AWAC planes, all small E-2Ts which are E-2C standard with Doppler radar. India has 5 large AWAC planes, Pakistan has 8 small AWAC planes. China has almost 50, all AESA radar, 35 of which are large 4 engine turboprop or turbofan. This is in addition to 100+ optical, radar and IR recon satellites vs. 0 for Taiwan. Then you have the problem that most of Taiwan's air force is obsolete Mirage, F-5, F-16A and F-CK-1.

the problem with Pakistani thinking is that you are limited by your experience with India. With India, both side have very low situational awareness, both sides rely on low interoperability hodge podge of western, Russian and Chinese equipment, both sides can't use their navy to support themselves.

China is totally different - we have a full network centric warfare doctrine with the situational awareness to back it up, and a massive navy with long range air defense. Why wouldn't we use it? The entire way of thinking for Chinese is totally alien to a Pakistani or Indian, tbh.

 

[gambit]

China also should do with Cuba and give same package

I think that was tried once -- did not worked out too well.

 

[gambit]

That is the fundamental question: how do you fight an air war when your airfields are inside your adversary's air defense bubble? Taiwan starts inside the air defense equivalent of 10 US carrier strike groups. Good luck lmao.

The reverse also applies: That China's offensive capabilities are within range of Taiwan's.

We have gone thru this already and the speculation does not favor China. Those PLAAF AWACS? Taiwan can target them and once Taiwan's SAMs are launched, PLAAF AWACS must relocate or die. Here is what you do not understand: A single SAM is enough to compel cease operations and begin evasive maneuvers. As long as Taiwan can create this threat, PLAAF advantage will be %50 degraded.

You talk as if Taiwan is alone in this fight. No, the US may not enter the fight. But you are looking at an adversary that have an ally that carry decades of air combat that you cannot match. The US literally wrote the manual on AWACS operations when China was still struggling with how to conduct the most basic of air combat tactic: Ground Control Intercept (GCI). Those PLAAF AWACS are much more vulnerable than you think, especially when US AWACS will be assisting Taiwan.