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US starts troop pullout, seeks end to Afghan leaders’ feud

Why not everyone else call it the American defeat? Is your press that compliant to what the American press say?

it is simple...

If walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck.... it is a duck!

US objective: Destroy radical islamic terrorist taliban
End result: Taliban will now hunt terrorists...

yup you right it wasnt a defeat.. it is a rout
 
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If that is what make you happy, call it a rout. But your military leaderships knows better. :lol:


Yes.... they know better.

they told you your approach was wrong and you didnt listen
 
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Yes.... they know better.

they told you your approach was wrong and you didnt listen
Maybe because they did not know as much as they think they do considering the fact that they could not even control their own country.
 
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Maybe because they did not know as much as they think they do considering the fact that they could not even control their own country.


Actually they have been proven correct.

"When I came on the scene in 1999, I told everyone, including President Bill Clinton during his state visit in Pakistan, that the best strategy against the Taliban is to recognize them and try to change them from within, Musharraf said.”Nobody agreed.”

https://www.wired.com/2008/01/pakistani-dicta/


When you came in you made a bad situation worse. Pakistan never had that kind of violence since you showed up. Now thanks to our military TTP is wiped out, Afgan Taliban has negogiated a settlement where according to trump " taliban will hunt down terrorists"

seems like what musharaf said decades ago..


you people do have a slow learning curve.
 
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Actually they have been proven correct.

"When I came on the scene in 1999, I told everyone, including President Bill Clinton during his state visit in Pakistan, that the best strategy against the Taliban is to recognize them and try to change them from within, Musharraf said.”Nobody agreed.”

https://www.wired.com/2008/01/pakistani-dicta/


When you came in you made a bad situation worse. Pakistan never had that kind of violence since you showed up. Now thanks to our military TTP is wiped out, Afgan Taliban has negogiated a settlement where according to trump " taliban will hunt down terrorists"

seems like what musharaf said decades ago..


you people do have a slow learning curve.
We came in for what reason? You could not even control the Taliban in your own country, pal, and here you are, 20 yrs later, trying to tell US you know better 20 yrs ago? Why was it bad then?

Call our retreat from Afghanistan a 'rout' if you wish, but it is only a reflection of your own fantasies, not because you are any more 'insightful' about Afghanistan today than your ancestors were 20 yrs ago. We reached from the other side of the world and taught the Taliban a military hard lesson. We failed to change Afghanistan into a modern country, but that failure also covers the rest of the ME. Now as we withdraw, the rest of the world will know that you are essentially a lost cause. So yes, jeer US is all you can do as you wallow in your own misery.
 
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We came in for what reason? You could not even control the Taliban in your own country, pal, and here you are, 20 yrs later, trying to tell US you know better 20 yrs ago? Why was it bad then?


You did follow the news?... pakistan taliban is history.?.. dead ?


and yes thanks to US stupid drone bombing thousands of armed tribals joined the Taliban. that was another problem you people created, which we solved.

Thanks for nothing.

Call our retreat from Afghanistan a 'rout' if you wish, but it is only a reflection of your own fantasies,


well it was your $1.5T, thousands of your men dead and material and in end you are doing what Musharaf told you should have done.

ie Talk to them...

8-)


We reached from the other side of the world and taught the Taliban a military hard lesson.

You taught them nothing...

:welcome:

Apart from making them stronger than ever before.

But i think you learned something the Russians told you from day one... something every body with half a brain knew what was going to happen....


We failed to change Afghanistan into a modern country, but that failure also covers the rest of the ME.

Yes by backing geniuses like Dostum, and Hamid Karzai whose brother was a thug and drug dealer.... congratulations! what excellent choices you make in turning Afghanistan into a modern state.

You remind me of a fat black american college of mine ....she away complained about her weight problem but then i would always find her munching fried food all time.... she was such a poster child for Churches's chicken...:undecided:

Now as we withdraw, the rest of the world will know that you are essentially a lost cause.

In your head sure.

At least drug production did end under Taliban rule...and so did cross border terrorism from Afganistan...

so bad for you ... good for us.?

So yes, jeer US is all you can do as you wallow in your own misery.

We are happy as hell.... things are improving for us. thanks for asking




nice to see the puppets fall in line... :sniper:

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani orders release of Taliban prisoners
AFPUpdated March 11, 2020
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Afghan President Ashraf Ghani speaks after he was sworn in at an inauguration ceremony at the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan on Monday. — AP
KABUL: Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani signed a decree to facilitate the release of some Taliban prisoners in Afghan jails, a spokesman for his office said on Wednesday.

“President Ghani has signed the decree that would facilitate the release of the Taliban prisoners in accordance with an accepted framework for the start of negotiation between the Taliban and the Afghan government,” Sediq Sediqqi, Ashraf Ghani’s spokesman said in a tweet. He also hinted that Kabul could consider releasing 5,000 prisoners if the Taliban refrained from attacks on Afghan forces.

At least 1,000 Taliban prisoners are expected to be released this week, five official sources said earlier, paving the way for opening direct talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban.

Meanwhile, American forces have started pulling out of two bases in Afghanistan a US official said, on Tuesday, the day peace talks between Kabul and the Taliban were due to start.

The United States is keen to end its longest-ever conflict, and under the terms of a deal signed in Doha last month has said all foreign forces will quit Afghanistan within 14 months — provided the Taliban stick to their security commitments.

US troops start pulling out of two bases in Afghanistan
Under the accord, the US is initially supposed to cut its troop presence from about 12,000 currently to 8,600 by mid-July, and close five of its roughly 20 bases across the country.

Troops have started leaving one base in Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province in the south, and another base in Herat in the west, a US official told AFP on the condition of anonymity.

Even with the drawdown, US forces retain “all the military means and authorities to accomplish our objectives”, Colonel Sonny Leggett, spokesman for US Forces-Afghanistan, said on Monday, referring to American counterterrorism operations and support for Afghan forces.

Helmand, which along with Kandahar province is considered a Taliban stronghold, is where US and British forces fought some of the bloodiest campaigns of the 18-year war.

Omar Zwak, spokesman for Helmand’s governor, told AFP that “20 to 30” foreigners had left Lashkar Gah since the weekend.

Kabul chaos
Under the terms of the withdrawal deal, the Taliban are supposed to tackle jihadists such as the Islamic State group and Al Qaeda, as well as hold talks with the Afghan government that were due to start on Tuesday.

But Kabul is in disarray and appears unable to present a unified front to negotiate with the Taliban.

On Monday, President Ashraf Ghani was inaugurated for a second term following an election that was marred by fraud allegations while his rival, former chief executive Abdullah Abdullah, also declared himself winner and swore himself in as premier in a parallel ceremony.

Washington has denounced Abdullah’s self-inauguration, urging unity in Kabul ahead of negotiations with the Taliban.

UN Council endorses deal
The UN Security Council unanimously approved a United States resolution on Tuesday over the recent deal between Washington and the Afghan Taliban, a rare endorsement of an agreement with a militant group.

Published in Dawn, March 11th, 2020
 
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Thank God for sanity!
Pakistan should stay a Sufi Islamic country which it was for most of Pakistan's and hundreds of years of the Subcontinent's history. A deeply religious Islamic country but generally tolerant of other faiths, a country where the shrines of 'saints' are respected, a country which doesn't go the route of the Turkey (the Ataturk version) but neither the route of the Iran/Saudi Arabia of the world.
The idiots are the one who forcibly impose values upon others--the Saur Revolution of Afghanistan, the secularization under Iran's Shah, the radicalization under the Ayatollahs, the Wahabbism of the Saudi rulers... and much else in the world of so-called communist flavors especially in the Indo China of the years gone by...

Both Aristotle and the Prophet of Islam advocated the middle way in life: The Golden Mean and 'Miana Ravi' (Moderation; Middle Path). There is wisdom on those words.

Don't worry, the takfiri scum could not get what they wanted and never will, Pakistan will remain a moderate Muslim country with a fringe right, a massive majority of moderation.
 
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They will not leave Afghanistan. One terrorist attack and they will be back no matter where int he world. what a joke
Hahahaha what you said is a joke .
Never ever again US will ever try to visit Afghanistan. They have learned their lessons well.
And I think no other country will try as well .
I am not seeing any foreign invasion of Afghanistan for a long upcoming period.

Why the American press? Why not everyone else call it the American defeat? Is your press that compliant to what the American press say?
It's the first time in history US went against it's policy of not negotiating with terrorists. Talibans are terrorists according to you right?
If that's not a defeat what else is.
 
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It's the first time in history US went against it's policy of not negotiating with terrorists. Talibans are terrorists according to you right?
If that's not a defeat what else is.
Hey...You can call it a 'defeat' if you want. Just let me know when your Pakistan military change to how the Taliban works in order to 'defeat' other militaries.
 
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Hey...You can call it a 'defeat' if you want. Just let me know when your Pakistan military change to how the Taliban works in order to 'defeat' other militaries.
Well our region our rule of games. The ultimate objective we will never allow any foreign aggressor at our backyard.Just like you will never allow Russians in Cuba or Mexico.
You taught us in diplomacy , morality,right or wrong takes a back seat.
 
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Well our region our rule of games. The ultimate objective we will never allow any foreign aggressor at our backyard.Just like you will never allow Russians in Cuba or Mexico.
You taught us in diplomacy , morality,right or wrong takes a back seat.
We defied your rules and you know it. Afghanistan is a failure of a different kind, but not militarily.
 
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We defied your rules and you know it. Afghanistan is a failure of a different kind, but not militarily.
Yes you defied and that clearly didn't work for you.
Lol if it's not a military failure then why don't you just go ahead with your might world's most powerful military and make all your wet dreams come true in Afghanistan.
 
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We came in for what reason? You could not even control the Taliban in your own country, pal, and here you are, 20 yrs later, trying to tell US you know better 20 yrs ago? Why was it bad then?

Call our retreat from Afghanistan a 'rout' if you wish, but it is only a reflection of your own fantasies, not because you are any more 'insightful' about Afghanistan today than your ancestors were 20 yrs ago. We reached from the other side of the world and taught the Taliban a military hard lesson. We failed to change Afghanistan into a modern country, but that failure also covers the rest of the ME. Now as we withdraw, the rest of the world will know that you are essentially a lost cause. So yes, jeer US is all you can do as you wallow in your own misery.
Imagine what could have happened if 1 trillion dollars would have been spent on high speed rail, education and health..
China wouldnt have taken leader position had that money being spent home rather than pumping it in corrupt polticians of middleast who than invested that money in dubai and china

We fought the communists of vietnam..today they are our best friends!
 
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