US special envoy to Syria slams Russia and Iran for backing Assad

[vostok]

Helpless here meant that Pakistan cannot afford the presence of Russia on one side and on the other hand had no choice to take help offered by USA so you have misunderstood my post. However unike Russians and Americans here I am not pretending to be hero though it is we who had twice opened our doors of hospitality for Afghanistan, helped Americans in their recent WOT, lost millions of lives as well as we also as you claimed "raised the issue in UN". Be it you or Vostok trying to portray is what I am denying. Nobody was hero, infact all wanted stability for themselves. We wanted peace in Afghanistan so that we can pay attention to Indian insanity and phobia. Where as Russian claim of their presence for xyz heroism is again false and so American claim of herosim. Didn't Americans funded and established so called "training camps" and provided "stinger launchers" to mujhaheedeens.
My country shares border with Afghanistan. Soviets or US don't share their borders so whatever consequence has to befall it would have affected nobody else but Pakistan first.
Indians belong to no one, mark my words darling. They will show love to you, get influence inside you and your country, make a lobby and then create problems for you. You will learn this lesson tommorow like you have learned the lesson in past regarding Afghan war.I am not saying it hatefully or show off something. I am saying this painfully. Americans never learn from others past.That's their (Indian) way to create their place. If they had ability in past to war then India wouldn't be a single state today.


Regards

One small remark - USSR had about the same long border with Afghanistan, as Pakistan does. So we had to react one way or another. Otherwise, after terrorists won in Afghanistan - the next stop is Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and further to the North to inner Russia. In 90's terrorists really tried to do it after Russian forces left Central Asia. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan asked for help and nowadays our troops are guarding their borders once again.
For US it is a game with no stake. For USSR it was very important.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Millions of Afghani, mostly living in cities still remember USSR as good friend because we created education, industry, medicine and other things in there.

Even more hate USSR and Communists in Afghanistan. Your bloody invasion has become legendary, it is taught to kids as required history along with Masnavi and Shahnameh. After Najeebullah and Communist retreat, Communism and Russian became a curse word in Afghanistan.

Syria Assad is quite progressive compared to the islamists in the area. However long term wise Turkey will beat Syria in the war..Turkey is more than a match for Syria.

If you consider sex camps and torture camps housing your own civilian population progressive, I can't help your idea of progressive.

you forgot the part about being brainwashed by some country sponsored Madrassa in another country .

Yet Iran was free to interfere in Afghanistan all along?

Taliban were refugees from Afghanistan who learned Islam in their own madrassas in camps along the border. They wanted to end the useleas fighting between Hekmatyar and Ahmad Shah Massoud.

Regardless of your full support to Americans in revealing the locations of Taliban command centers and such, you failed to defeat them.

Today you have no choice but to deal with them, tough luck.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yet Iran was free to interfere in Afghanistan all along?

Taliban were refugees from Afghanistan who learned Islam in their own madrassas in camps along the border. They wanted to end the useleas fighting between Hekmatyar and Ahmad Shah Massoud.

Regardless of your full support to Americans in revealing the locations of Taliban command centers and such, you failed to defeat them.

Today you have no choice but to deal with them, tough luck.

if you think so

honnestly We don't knew what to do with you . one day you say we helped usa while it was you who actually helped usa .
another day you say we helped Taliban , while in fact till several years ago you were always supporting them

 

[Slav Defence]

One small remark - USSR had about the same long border with Afghanistan, as Pakistan does. So we had to react one way or another. Otherwise, after terrorists won in Afghanistan - the next stop is Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and further to the North to inner Russia. In 90's terrorists really tried to do it after Russian forces left Central Asia. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan asked for help and nowadays our troops are guarding their borders once again.
For US it is a game with no stake. For USSR it was very important.

Thank you for the kind reminder. However, Pakistan had nothing personal with Russians. Infact, Pakistan needed to have strong relationship with Russians because of both Afghanistan and India. Unfortunately, Russian history and culture is less known to Pakistan than that of Americans
I said that 10-15 years ago that Pakistan needed to correct her trashy foreign policy and must shake hands with Russians and this has to be done long time ago. If US can maintain ties with both India and Pakistan then why not Pakistan with both US and Russia?
Pakistan needed 10-20 years to realize and to sort her relationship with US which has to be friendly but cautious.
Regards

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

honnestly We don't knew what to do with you . one day you say we helped usa while it was you who actually helped usa .

Yes, Musharraf did cooperate with Americans, but not fully. We were very much against the war and kept suing for peace.

As for Iran, it enthusiastically helped the US eliminate both Afghan and Iraq governments. In Afghanistan, Iranian agents detailed the exact locations of Taliban command centers, facilities, and barracks. It is known. I was listening to a US military general talking about it on NPR just a few weeks ago.

another day you say we helped Taliban , while in fact till several years ago you were always supporting them

Iran was always opposed to Taliban. Your agents are the Northern Alliance and present Kabul government.

We have big issues with you helping Indians get a footprint in Afghanistan and previous cooperation of yours and your puppets with the US, you indirectly have the lives of 75,000 Pakistanis and 100,000 Afghans on your hands.

 

[Hack-Hook]

We have big issues with you helping Indians get a footprint in Afghanistan and previous cooperation of yours and your puppets with the US, you indirectly have the lives of 75,000 Pakistanis and 100,000 Afghans on your hands.

and by supporting taliban you directly have blood of ...
let not go there

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

and by supporting taliban you directly have blood of ...
let not go there

Americans, Russians, Iranians, Indians, NATO, NA, ANA, NDS, TTP, BLA, Blackwater/Xe/Academi, and Daesh.

Missing anyone?

 

[vostok]

Even more hate USSR and Communists in Afghanistan. Your bloody invasion has become legendary, it is taught to kids as required history along with Masnavi and Shahnameh. After Najeebullah and Communist retreat, Communism and Russian became a curse word in Afghanistan.

I bet most of Afghani wich can read remember shuravi as their good friends because we was first state who tried to help them build industrial plants, roads, hospitals, schools and so on. If not West and their terrorists Afghanistan today would be like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan, not like Somalia.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I bet most of Afghani wich can read remember shuravi as their good friends because we was first state who tried to help them build industrial plants, roads, hospitals, schools and so on. If not West and their terrorists Afghanistan today would be like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan, not like Somalia.

Many came into Afghanistan with the same promises: British, Russian empire, USSR, Americans.

All turned out to be bold-faced lies. Afghans were exploited and dehumanized.

Today Afghans rule Afghanistan and all foreigners have lost. It is back to how it should have been.

not like Somalia.

And who is responsible for dividing Somali land between Ethiopia, Kenya, tiny splinter states like Somaliland and Djibouti, and a dysfunctional Somalia?

No doubt they want the same for Afghanistan, they are trying to do it today in Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq. All foreign troops should leave.

 

[vostok]

Many came into Afghanistan with the same promises: British, Russian empire, USSR, Americans.

All turned out to be bold-faced lies. Afghans were exploited and dehumanized.

Today Afghans rule Afghanistan and all foreigners have lost. It is back to how it should have been.

I do not remember about Russian Empire in Afghanistan. And there is small difference between USSR in Afghanistan and US - USSR came under request of the Afghani government. Not to grow opium, but to fight terrorists and to build modern state.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I do not remember about Russian Empire in Afghanistan. And there is small difference between USSR in Afghanistan and US - USSR came under request of the Afghani government.

Russian empire and British fought over Afghanistan and decided to create a buffer zone, this is why Pakistan is blocked from Central Asia due to the Wakhan corridor in east Afghanistan, although Afghan Wakhis are an ethnic group related to Kashmiris, Baltis, Paharis, Wakhis etc. of Pakistan.

Most Afghans view the imposition of a communist government in Afghanistan as occupation, this is why it was resisted so harshly. Najeebullah was also heavy handed, when Soviets entered to protect his government, it proved their suspicions.

Anyway as I stated, Afghans are committed to having a government free of foreign influence. Taliban want to reset ties with Russia and Iran. Russia gave them a very nice welcome in Moscow. Iran is still suspicious of them.

 

[vostok]

Russian empire and British fought over Afghanistan and decided to create a buffer zone, this is why Pakistan is blocked from Central Asia due to the Wakhan corridor in east Afghanistan, although Afghan Wakhis are an ethnic group related to Kashmiris, Baltis, Paharis, Wakhis etc. of Pakistan.

Most Afghans view the imposition of a communist government in Afghanistan as occupation, this is why it was resisted so harshly. Najeebullah was also heavy handed, when Soviets entered to protect his government, it proved their suspicions.

Anyway as I stated, Afghans are committed to having a government free of foreign influence. Taliban want to reset ties with Russia and Iran. Russia gave them a very nice welcome in Moscow. Iran is still suspicious of them.

The whole Afghanistan remained in British Empire, there were no Russian soldiers there. You do know Soviet soldiers often walked in Afghan cities without weapons? Because there were no danger for them. Only illiterate peasants were turned into terrorists by US, UK and other countries and were used as cannon fodder to fight their own government and Soviet soldiers. By the way - there were many Soviet Muslims in Afghanistan and they were welcomed by their Tajik and Uzbek fellows.

 

[925boy]

How much has Putin spent on Assad so far? What is the impact of this support on the Russian economy? And finally, not that it matters to Tsar Putin, but any indication of public opinion of the cost to Russia in lost lives and coin. Is there still wide spread support for Putin's Assad obsession?

Please can you share some details.

Ha ha...isnt it funny when an American(the country that is addicted to violent war) tries to tell another country about their war spending? the irony of it.

From the start of this war spending convo to the end, you look like a hypocrite. cheers.

Yes everyone is so against the righteous Ayatollah and Assad but hey look atleast hardcore Islamophobe Hindus are with you guys. They always support Iran and Assad for their love of Ayatollah ofcourse.

This comment reflects your low level of self esteem as a Sunni. nuff said.

However long term wise Turkey will beat Syria in the war..Turkey is more than a match for Syria.

Russia OR/and Iran will slap Turkey a good slap before Turkey takes out Assad or militarily "defeats" Assad..thats the fact.

Iran is afraid of NATO, but not Turkey, so Iran can simply hit the TUrks in Syria and its all fair game. Russia and Iran i believe like this opportunity to wear down a strong NATO member. a weakened Turkey means NATO is finished- NATO is already finished since EU recently told US they cant do joint NATO missions where all members will participate. Things have changed. US cant do any NATO mission NOW outside China related, unless its a small opperation. If its sizeable, US is out, so NATO is logically and factually a PAPER TIGER TODAY.

 

[dbc]

Ha ha...isnt it funny when an American(the country that is addicted to violent war) tries to tell another country about their war spending? the irony of it.

From the start of this war spending convo to the end, you look like a hypocrite. cheers.

Thank you for your feedback, actually I don't give a shite about Putin's spending on Syria. I just wonder how soon before the Russian's get fed up and turn on Putin. Should be a fun evening watching the new Tsar end as ignominiously as the Tsar's of old on the tele..

..taken to the basement and shot

can't wait....

 

[DavidSling]

Ha ha...isnt it funny when an American(the country that is addicted to violent war) tries to tell another country about their war spending? the irony of it.

From the start of this war spending convo to the end, you look like a hypocrite. cheers.


This comment reflects your low level of self esteem as a Sunni. nuff said.


Russia OR/and Iran will slap Turkey a good slap before Turkey takes out Assad or militarily "defeats" Assad..thats the fact.

Iran is afraid of NATO, but not Turkey, so Iran can simply hit the TUrks in Syria and its all fair game. Russia and Iran i believe like this opportunity to wear down a strong NATO member. a weakened Turkey means NATO is finished- NATO is already finished since EU recently told US they cant do joint NATO missions where all members will participate. Things have changed. US cant do any NATO mission NOW outside China related, unless its a small opperation. If its sizeable, US is out, so NATO is logically and factually a PAPER TIGER TODAY.

it's funny to see an Iranian user that pretends to be an american