US special envoy to Syria slams Russia and Iran for backing Assad

[raptor22]

US is evil, Israel is evil, hence all enemies of them must be good. This logic does not last under scrutiny.

Assad is objectively a vile man and must be removed, US or Israel or anyone else notwithstanding.

The root of Syrian crisis is exacly this, some people wanna decide on behalf of Syrians.

I suppose it was US and UK who sponsored and trained terrorists in Afghanistan since the very beginning of Soviet military mission there. It is a fact.
Propaganda cliche would be "Western imperialists", "world tyrant", "US regime" and so on.

Before that.

 

[Slav Defence]

Every nation has their own business to take care of. For Pakistan, Russians and USA both are important strategic players and hence Pakistan will provide all essential support wherever is required for the sake of peace. However, the matter of Assad is going far worse than ever. I personally do not like Assad's regime and it is my personal opinion. As far as I know (please correct me) that he is from nusayris and I want him removed since he is not representing majority of Syrians.
I cannot deny this either on the other hand that Pakistan understands the problem of her half blood brother Turkey and would never hell on Earth would prefer any agenda that denies Turkey's sovereignty. In addition to that, Pakistan has long experience and awareness alhamdulah regarding cold war as she has fought side by side with US and other power players in the region for her defence though not particularly against any nation as whatever problems were occurring in Afghanistan has it's repercussions appearing in Pakistan in the form of Indian backed nexus such as TTP as well as other sect based garbage coming from you-all-know-who.
Pakistan wants to see Turkey to be safe and sound.We also want to seek peaceful solution regarding Syrians as well as Pakistan also wants US and Russians to have their differences sorted.
P.S Think Tanks remember your status and make quality post accordingly.


Regards

 

[xenon54 out]

I suppose it was US and UK who sponsored and trained terrorists in Afghanistan since the very beginning of Soviet military mission there. It is a fact.
Propaganda cliche would be "Western imperialists", "world tyrant", "US regime" and so on.

It is also a fact that much of Taliban were orphans caused by the desastrous Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan with its indiscrimate bombings of civilian villages causing millions of civilian deaths.
That country is scarred to this day because your beloved Soviet Union decided to annex it at any cost. With or without US support the Taliban were gonna fight Soviets untill the end, what US did was to use the opportunity to defeat Soviets with minimal effort just by supporting already active mujahedin. In that sense the biggest reason for the Taliban and international terrorism is the spark set by Soviets, what the US and its allies did were a mere catalyst.
But you guys are good in sitting on your high horse and pointing fingers at others gotta give you that.

 

[Slav Defence]

I suppose only dead may not know USA and its vassals are behind international terrorism since 70's in Afghanistan.

Spot on!
It wasn't terrorism at that time for Americans because Russians were occupying the region.So US basically helped people to get armed and provided all essential weapons to win a war against Russia.Unfortunately, Pakistan had no other choice but to take her offer as front line ally.
After the war, the same trained people were left to rot in Afghanistan and when same people who learned "Jeem" for "Jihad" from US backed course started to set up their own agenda, the same US declared them as terrorists.I admit that an open opponent is far better than hidden enemy. I have no words to define how much lives we have lost as US front line ally and now US has to do what Pakistan was trying to tell them.To my bamboozlement, you call it karma or whatever US who had used similar strategies to keep Russia out came on the same place either forcefully or willingly and repeated similar role after 10-20 years.
War is risky, ruthless and has no guarantee that any nation risking it would win no matter what appears in front of them.

No I can't google it since I don't read or write Russian - any English language report will be dismissed as "western propaganda".
Speaking of Propaganda and cliche,was it not propaganda on your part to accuse the US of terrorism in Afghanistan since 70's? Really! I suppose you should follow your own advise and think before your write.

@Horus
@Slav Defence I think we should hold our think tanks to higher standards - this one seems to be broken.

Russians had their own agenda and it was best opportunity for US to weaken Russia whatever is possible. Everyone had their own agenda and no one was assuming to role play as hero.Every nation had their own agenda.
Regards

 

[vostok]

It is also a fact that much of Taliban were orphans caused by the desastrous Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan with its indiscrimate bombings of civilian villages causing millions of civilian deaths.
That country is scarred to this day because your beloved Soviet Union decided to annex it at any cost. With or without US support the Taliban were gonna fight Soviets untill the end, what US did was to use the opportunity to defeat Soviets with minimal effort just by supporting already active mujahedin. In that sense the biggest reason for the Taliban and international terrorism is the spark set by Soviets, what the US and its allies did were a mere catalyst.
But you guys are good in sitting on your high horse and pointing fingers at others gotta give you that.

USSR had dozens military bases abroad and none of those countries was annexed (same as US still has abroad bases, but it does not mean annexation). USSR had no plans to annex Afghanistan but it had to defend socialist government against Pro-Western "Jihadist" forces. Millions of Afghani, mostly living in cities still remember USSR as good friend because we created education, industry, medicine and other things in there.
If we have not killed dozens or even hundreds thousands terrorists in Afghanistan in 80's the whole Central Asia, Caucasus and Middle East today would be like Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan and so on.

 

[xenon54 out]

USSR had dozens military bases abroad and none of those countries was annexed (same as US still has abroad bases, but it does not mean annexation). USSR had no plans to annex Afghanistan but it had to defend socialist government against Pro-Western "Jihadist" forces. Millions of Afghani, mostly living in cities still remember USSR as good friend because we created education, industry, medicine and other things in there.
If we have not killed dozens or even hundreds thousands terrorists in Afghanistan in 80's the whole Central Asia, Caucasus and Middle East today would be like Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan and so on.

Sounds like out of a propaganda book, i guess all those civilians committed mass suicide then.

 

[dbc]

Spot on!
It wasn't terrorism at that time for Americans because Russians were occupying the region.So US basically helped people to get armed and provided all essential weapons to win a war against Russia.Unfortunately, Pakistan had no other choice but to take her offer as front line ally.
After the war, the same trained people were left to rot in Afghanistan and when same people who learned "Jeem" for "Jihad" from US backed course started to set up their own agenda, the same US declared them as terrorists.I admit that an open opponent is far better than hidden enemy. I have no words to define how much lives we have lost as US front line ally and now US has to do what Pakistan was trying to tell them.To my bamboozlement, you call it karma or whatever US who had used similar strategies to keep Russia out came on the same place either forcefully or willingly and repeated similar role after 10-20 years.
War is risky, ruthless and has no guarantee that any nation risking it would win no matter what appears in front of them.


Russians had their own agenda and it was best opportunity for US to weaken Russia whatever is possible. Everyone had their own agenda and no one was assuming to role play as hero.Every nation had their own agenda.
Regards

The word مجاهد means one engaged in جهاد so of course it wasn’t terrorism as suggested by our resident putinophile. The rest of your post is cliched but inaccurate, it was Pakistan that raised the issue of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan internationally and actively sought international assistance to repel the Soviet invasion finally succeeding in eliciting material support from Saudi and the US.

Why? Three issues that concerned Pakistan about the invasion:
1. It found the staunchest ally of its hated enemy India next door. Suddenly sandwiched between Soviet Russia in the west and India in the east - Pakistan’s security was deeply compromised.
2. A deluge of Afghan refugees.
3. The realization that Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a deliberate long term strategy to gain access to warmer waters of the Indian Ocean.

So your position that a hapless Pakistan was coerced by the US into supporting the fight against a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is untenable. It was Pakistan that actively sought allies to ward off the Russians on her western border. Once again it was Pakistan that made the call on how this assistance in funds and weapons was distributed and managed - not the US or Saudi. Pakistan had full control on the Afghans fighting the Soviet Union - so the Pakistani inclination to claim victimhood is dishonest because it was Pakistan that turned the مجاهد into the طالبان

 

[airmarshal]

Syria has the right to reclaim its country from terrorists. Assad is a legitimate president of the country. Falling short of expressing desire to topple Assad, Turkey and Syria must find ways for a rapprochement. This infighting among Muslim states is giving strength to Israel indirectly.

As for US, the less said the better. USA was in Afghanistan to purportedly fight AlQaeda. USA in Syria is fighting alongside ISIS and AlQaeda.

- so the Pakistani inclination to claim victimhood is dishonest because it was Pakistan that turned the مجاهد into the طالبان

Not entirely true. Neither did Pakistan claim to be victim. Pakistan claims to be victim of terrorism which ensued after it wrongly over committed and participated in US war which it should not have.

 

[donkeykong]

Syria Assad is quite progressive compared to the islamists in the area. However long term wise Turkey will beat Syria in the war..Turkey is more than a match for Syria.

 

[Yaseen1]

turkey is depending on rebels to remove Asad but these rebels may later become threat to turkey once they start getting money from israel and cia to destabilize turkey like they did against Syria.You will never see such rebels fighting in Syria to fight against israel zionists and indian army for helping and protecting oppressed Muslims of these region who are suffering for almost one century.All this shows that this war in Syria is only for power and money with no regard and concern for Islam and Muslims

Syria Assad is quite progressive compared to the islamists in the area. However long term wise Turkey will beat Syria in the war..Turkey is more than a match for Syria.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It is also a fact that much of Taliban were orphans caused by the desastrous Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan with its indiscrimate bombings of civilian villages causing millions of civilian deaths.
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you forgot the part about being brainwashed by some country sponsored Madrassa in another country .

 

[xenon54 out]

you forgot the part about being brainwashed by some country sponsored Madrassa in another country .

I never said they are the good guys, its an evil created by a bigger evil.

 

[drmeson]

US wants SDF to survive since it will serve as a stonghold of western interests in the region.

Kurds are Iranic and I love them because they are my people but Kurdish enclave in Turkey, SYria, Iraq literally means US, Israel roaming around.

 

[dbc]

Not entirely true. Neither did Pakistan claim to be victim. Pakistan claims to be victim of terrorism which ensued after it wrongly over committed and participated in US war which it should not have.

Pakistan continued to funnel Saudi cash into Afghanistan long after the US lost interest post Soviet defeat.
Yes post 911, the US forced Pakistan to end its association with the Taliban and give up its strategic depth in Afghanistan. The consequence of which is the deeply regrettable loss of Pakistani lives - but this was inevitable.
The Taliban are impossible to manage they would have eventually turned against Pakistan and the ISI - especially when funding ceased or Pakistan stopped the transit of drugs from Afghanistan.

So when our putinophile accuses the US of terrorism in Afghanistan in the 70's he means the Afghans terrorized the Russian invaders with US supplied weapons

Terrorism is defined as "... the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Since the Mujaheddin committed acts of violence against Russian invaders these acts can't be termed terrorism!

Back to Syria and putinophile's clumsy dodge of the cost of Russian intervention in Syria question. How much as Putin spend on Assad so far? Does Putin still enjoy wide spread support or do we have another Perestroika to look forward to?

 

[Slav Defence]

The word مجاهد means one engaged in جهاد so of course it wasn’t terrorism as suggested by our resident putinophile. The rest of your post is cliched but inaccurate, it was Pakistan that raised the issue of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan internationally and actively sought international assistance to repel the Soviet invasion finally succeeding in eliciting material support from Saudi and the US.

Why? Three issues that concerned Pakistan about the invasion:
1. It found the staunchest ally of its hated enemy India next door. Suddenly sandwiched between Soviet Russia in the west and India in the east - Pakistan’s security was deeply compromised.
2. A deluge of Afghan refugees.
3. The realization that Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a deliberate long term strategy to gain access to warmer waters of the Indian Ocean.

So your position that a hapless Pakistan was coerced by the US into supporting the fight against a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is untenable. It was Pakistan that actively sought allies to ward off the Russians on her western border. Once again it was Pakistan that made the call on how this assistance in funds and weapons was distributed and managed - not the US or Saudi. Pakistan had full control on the Afghans fighting the Soviet Union - so the Pakistani inclination to claim victimhood is dishonest because it was Pakistan that turned the مجاهد into the طالبان

Helpless here meant that Pakistan cannot afford the presence of Russia on one side and on the other hand had no choice to take help offered by USA so you have misunderstood my post. However unike Russians and Americans here I am not pretending to be hero though it is we who had twice opened our doors of hospitality for Afghanistan, helped Americans in their recent WOT, lost millions of lives as well as we also as you claimed "raised the issue in UN". Be it you or Vostok trying to portray is what I am denying. Nobody was hero, infact all wanted stability for themselves. We wanted peace in Afghanistan so that we can pay attention to Indian insanity and phobia. Where as Russian claim of their presence for xyz heroism is again false and so American claim of herosim. Didn't Americans funded and established so called "training camps" and provided "stinger launchers" to mujhaheedeens.
My country shares border with Afghanistan. Soviets or US don't share their borders so whatever consequence has to befall it would have affected nobody else but Pakistan first.
Indians belong to no one, mark my words darling. They will show love to you, get influence inside you and your country, make a lobby and then create problems for you. You will learn this lesson tommorow like you have learned the lesson in past regarding Afghan war.I am not saying it hatefully or show off something. I am saying this painfully. Americans never learn from others past.That's their (Indian) way to create their place. If they had ability in past to war then India wouldn't be a single state today.


Regards