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US should declare that Pakistan has no claim on Kashmir:US Expert.

But he is not a Kashmiri but a Punjabi.

He is a jihadist. (why is ****** unacceptable now on PDF???).

And we are the kafir.

Period.

It does not matter whether he is Kashmiri or Punjabi or Somali.

I repeat.

Kashmir is a hauwwa.

Look beyond.

Look before.

This is not a fight that started 65 years ago.
 
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I believe its Abottabad raids that was a final nail.

No, it was 1999.

During Kargil it was Musharraf who sent Nawaz Sharif to Washington to plea for ceasefire with India after the fall of Tololing peak, so how is it final nail in US-Pak relations.

Bill clinton calls nawaz sharif during kargil war in the middle of the night ask him for ceasefire nawaz sharif didn't agreed with him and dropped the call.

Bill clinton calls for second time try to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for third time tried to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for fourth time tried to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for fifth time tried to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for sixth time now in very angry mood asked him for ceasefire and threaten him if he will not do this then US will bomb Pakistan to stone age. Also calls him right now in US, He went to US and met Bill clinton where he described the situation as......

He "Bill clinton' was in very angry mood his face was red and he was holding some papers in his hand and he was walking in white house in very angry mood he was repeatedly saying we will not support you in anything. Also threatened me to bomb Pakistan to stone age.

Nawaz sharif came back to Pakistan discussed the matter with Musharraf and then ceasefire.
 
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Oye, you are back ? How was your trip ?

KRAIT, you seem to have some kind of love relationship with Spark's comment, every time i see his comment, i notice that invariably you always tend to thank him.

i like Syama ayas guy, he has lots of information,there are many here though.
 
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If india can station israeli F16s in Jammu and kashmir why not US F18s or F22 raptors ?
:rofl: What were you smoking when you wrote this crap? :undecided: I notice a lot of people out here becoming more and more prone to hallucinations as Dec 2012 approaches. (The time the Earth crosses the galactic plane producing schizophrenic responses due to the change in magnetic fields!! :undecided: :lol: )
 
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He is a jihadist. (why is ****** unacceptable now on PDF???).

And we are the kafir.

Period.

It does not matter whether he is Kashmiri or Punjabi or Somali.

I repeat.

Kashmir is a hauwwa.

Look beyond.

Look before.

This is not a fight that started 65 years ago.

Be that as it may, Kashmir is a rallying point for the Jihadist orgs.

Declaring LoC as International Border will take the wind out of their sails. Their disagreement will not be with India but with the Pak govt that has accepted LoC as IB. This assumes that the Pak govt will have the will to crack the whip against the Jihadists, without fear of meeting the fate of Salman Taseer.

The civilizational tussle between India and Pak will continue, but hopefully it will play out more in the domain of economic development, soft power and intellectual exchanges.
 
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Be that as it may, Kashmir is a rallying point for the Jihadist orgs.

Declaring LoC as International Border will take the wind out of their sails. Their disagreement will not be with India but with the Pak govt that has accepted LoC as IB.

The civilizational tussle between India and Pak will continue, but hopefully it will play out more in the domain of economic development, soft power and intellectual exchanges.

It is not in India's interest to accept the LOC as the IB.

Not after the hard yards of the last two decades.

It is time to wait. And watch.
 
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It is not in India's interest to accept the LOC as the IB.

Not after the hard yards of the last two decades.

It is time to wait. And watch.

As of now, no Pak govt can dream of taking such a momentous step, so nothing is going to happen in the near future.

But if you think it is not in India's interest, then what, according to you, is the downside?
 
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As of now, no Pak govt can dream of taking such a momentous step, so nothing is going to happen in the near future.

But if you think it is not in India's interest, then what, according to you, is the downside?

The downside is that we lose legitimacy for what will follow.
 
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No, it was 1999.
Certainly no

Bill clinton calls nawaz sharif during kargil war in the middle of the night ask him for ceasefire nawaz sharif didn't agreed with him and dropped the call.

Bill clinton calls for second time try to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for third time tried to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for fourth time tried to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for fifth time tried to convince him for ceasefire, call dropped again.

Bill clinton calls for sixth time now in very angry mood asked him for ceasefire and threaten him if he will not do this then US will bomb Pakistan to stone age. Also calls him right now in US, He went to US and met Bill clinton where he described the situation as......

He "Bill clinton' was in very angry mood his face was red and he was holding some papers in his hand and he was walking in white house in very angry mood he was repeatedly saying we will not support you in anything. Also threatened me to bomb Pakistan to stone age.

Nawaz sharif came back to Pakistan discussed the matter with Musharraf and then ceasefire.

You are trying to prove Clinton more desperate, since when Americans went desperate to stop the war. :cheesy: Its from number of insiders from PA who claimed Musharraf sent Nawaz Sharif to Washington and after the withdrawal put all blames on civilian government and innocent civilian government had wrath of the public.
 
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this could be the final nail in the coffin of usa-pak ties.

us-pak ties all already in a coffin but what will happen if they do declare Pakistan has no claim on Kashmir.

US declared pakistan has no rights to make nukes
US declared pakistan is supporting terrorists
US declared pakistan is harboring terrorists
US declared pakistan is fingering India
did it change anything?
 
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