US Seeks Vietnamese Base to Counter China

[amoz_jc]

There is no true ally in this world. Vietnamese World is already the best example.
U.S. gave up South Vietnamese government and those South Vietnamese who trusted them.
U.S would surely give up his new ally if things turned bad again.
Don't forget the U.S is leaving afganistan now.

For China, the reason why China has no true ally other than the Pakistan is beacause China is not in advantage.
Why would China pick a fight or act aggressively now?
If you ask why China has problem with all of its neighours, I would say that it is because China is big but wasn't and isn't stronge enough.
There are many historical problems bettween China and its neighours.
Since China is not a superpower like USSR or USA, when there is a problem, nobody listens to anybody.
In all these year, no agreement of any kind are made on any of the issue, but at the same time, they all felt being bullied.
If you apply this to game theroy, then everyone wants to act like victim of aggressor and claim as if they are right on every problem.
If anyone wants to be rational, then this guy loses.

By the theorem, fallcy of composition, what is true of the parts of a whole may not be true of the whole. What is going on is going to triggers war sooner or later which we know isn't the best solution. No matter who wins, the result also isn't going to be just. The suffer at the ends fall on regular citzen like most of the people in this fourm. Cheers!
Yet, we are so happy here "defending" our country in a international communication base to make the tension worst. This is not how you want to show your love to your country. At the end, there is only human family and people in this planet, earth.

The best thing to do as I see is to shelve the disputes and leave all of these mess to the future generation when the rule of game is changed becuase of social and economic changes, so that people can act rationaly and really tries to solve problems.

 

[Rechoice]

Very true we dont really need nuke to deal with such poor country like vietnam

We should react with suicidal attacks on nuke-power plants in China if China become mad man.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Allows the US sets up her naval base in VN during this time is probably unlikely.

But the possibility is certainly that VN will establish a service port, and allow US warships into to receive the necessary services when she asks.

This has been PM Nguyen Tan Dung said in 2010, and all things are progressing so. He also said that the services port at Cam Ranh Bay will allow even foreign submarines to dock.
But I don't know VN Government will allow carriers to dock or not.

Cam Ranh Bay will be divided into 2 parts, one part of VN military ports, the rest is the service port for naval overseas.

Potential customers are the US, Russia, India, Japan, Australia ...
Perhaps China does not need this service because it is not far away her ports.


This was a private affair of VN, China has no right to interfere. Even the Chinese jump up and down is also not valid. Remember, VN is a sovereign country.

 

[Martian2]

Allows the US sets up her naval base in VN during this time is probably unlikely.

But the possibility is certainly that VN will establish a service port, and allow US warships into to receive the necessary services when she asks.

This has been PM Nguyen Tan Dung said in 2010, and all things are progressing so. He also said that the services port at Cam Ranh Bay will allow even foreign submarines to dock.
But I don't know VN Government will allow carriers to dock or not.

Cam Ranh Bay will be divided into 2 parts, one part of VN military ports, the rest is the service port for naval overseas.

Potential customers are the US, Russia, India, Japan, Australia ...
Perhaps China does not need this service because it is not far away her ports.


This was a private affair of VN, China has no right to interfere. Even the Chinese jump up and down is also not valid. Remember, VN is a sovereign country.

You are correct that Vietnam is a sovereign country. However, if Neo-Cons use Cam Rahn Bay in a war against China then Vietnam will have to bear the consequences. China will likely seize the naval base as war payment and probably a lot more Vietnamese territory to ensure there will be no repeat of aggression against China.

If war is launched from your territory then your territorial right is up for grabs. The loser in a war has to pay for the aggression. The winner decides how much territory it wants to take to feel safe.

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers and lost 20% of its territory. 20% of Vietnamese territory for aggression launched from Cam Rahn Bay is fair payment.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

You are correct that Vietnam is a sovereign country. However, if Neo-Cons use Cam Rahn Bay in a war against China then Vietnam will have to bear the consequences. China will likely seize the naval base as war payment and probably a lot more Vietnamese territory to ensure there will be no repeat of aggression against China.

If war is launched from your territory then your territorial right is up for grabs. The loser in a war has to pay for the aggression. The winner decides how much territory it wants to take to feel safe.

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers and lost 20% of its territory. 20% of Vietnamese territory for aggression launched from Cam Rahn Bay is fair payment.

Of course, our government has always asserted that VN never allow any country to use VN territory to attack other countries.

At Cam Ranh Bay, we are also building a strong military port of our own. Then, we will contribute to the protection freedom of navigation in SCS...

 

[S10]

I hope Vietnam hosts an American base, since that will provide a wake-up call to those dumbass officials in the Chinese government thinking Vietnam is friendly because it has a communist government. Vietnam is also the perfect target for a limited scale war, as it has the largest and most advanced military in ASEAN. Aside from gaining combat experience, it will silence the biggest trouble maker for China as an example to others that follows the same path. Peace is achieved not by talking, but by superior military might. It's been too long since China fought its last war, and we need to deter others in the region against infringing on SCS.

As far as Vietnamese sovereignty goes, they can do whatever they like, but expect consequences.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

I hope Vietnam hosts an American base, since that will provide a wake-up call to those dumbass officials in the Chinese government thinking Vietnam is friendly because it has a communist government. Vietnam is also the perfect target for a limited scale war, as it has the largest and most advanced military in ASEAN. Aside from gaining combat experience, it will silence the biggest trouble maker for China as an example to others that follows the same path. Peace is achieved not by talking, but by superior military might. It's been too long since China fought its last war, and we need to deter others in the region against infringing on SCS.

As far as Vietnamese sovereignty goes, they can do whatever they like, but expect consequences.

The Chinese government is smarter than you. They must consider a lot before have military action. I think, now China will lose more than receive, if she attacks on her neighbors.
Moreover, now CCP also busy to rule 1.4 billion people.

 

[Rechoice]

You are correct that Vietnam is a sovereign country. However, if Neo-Cons use Cam Rahn Bay in a war against China then Vietnam will have to bear the consequences. China will likely seize the naval base as war payment and probably a lot more Vietnamese territory to ensure there will be no repeat of aggression against China.

If war is launched from your territory then your territorial right is up for grabs. The loser in a war has to pay for the aggression. The winner decides how much territory it wants to take to feel safe.

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers and lost 20% of its territory. 20% of Vietnamese territory for aggression launched from Cam Rahn Bay is fair payment.

China has been bullying Vietnam soon from a time. Vietnam reserve his right let US do it or not, it depend on our determination for defend our sovereignty and keep peace for region.

 

[T-Rex]

wrong. If China goes down the next target is Russia! That is why the Russians are standing so strong against the NATO voting on Syria and Iran issues! China is much more closer to Russia in geographical location and other ties than Syria and Iran!

A Chinese proverb says: " if the lips are gone, the teeth would feel the immediate cold"

Buddy, trust me, these indian concubines of the zionazis know very well what uncle sam has on its twisted mind but of course, they are to tell the opposite to the world. That is their assigned task. If China goes Russia will be uncle sam's final target and if Iran and Pakistan goes China will be the next target. And in this whole scheme india has been functioning as the lubrication for the zionazi war machine. If Russia keeps boosting the indian military after all this, it will be like lubricating the US war machine geared to rip apart both Russia and China.

The actual problem is Bangladesh & other china related china cheerleaders think Papa China would win easily against USA or India in a war.. so with these assertion they continue to live in fool's land..



he is a false flagger chinese ashamed of his nationality... dont bother...

What else can those who are the masters of false flag operations think of others? When there's nothing to say throwing crap is the only way! A typocal indo-zionazi way!

 

[Rig Vedic]

By the way, you've forgotten that China is the world's third-largest thermonuclear power. They could always drop a city-buster on Tokyo or Seoul and finish the war in ten seconds.

Don't assume that China will not be surrounded by many other thermonuclear powers.

Japan can make thermonuclear weapons any time it wants to.

In fact, America's (relative) economic decline makes it more likely that Asian nations will boldly create their own independent capabilities.

 

[Martian2]

Don't assume that China will not be surrounded by many other thermonuclear powers.

Japan can make thermonuclear weapons any time it wants to.

In fact, America's (relative) economic decline makes it more likely that Asian nations will boldly create their own independent capabilities.

God, you're dumb.

What happens when Japan attempts to build or detonate a thermonuclear bomb? That's right, China thermonukes the whole facility or all of Japan straight to hell. That's what happens when China is a mature thermonuclear power with W-88 warheads and your country doesn't have mature thermonuclear technology.

You die first.

 

[Rig Vedic]

God, you're dumb.

What happens when Japan attempts to build or detonate a thermonuclear bomb? That's right, China thermonukes the whole facility or all of Japan straight to hell. That's what happens when China is a mature thermonuclear power with W-88 warheads and your country doesn't have mature thermonuclear technology.

You die first.

Don't count on it, Japan already has a mature nuclear industry as well as an advanced space program. They probably already have bombs and delivery systems ready to be tested any time.

You will just wake up and read headlines in your morning newspaper.

 

[gambit]

God, you're dumb.

What happens when Japan attempts to build or detonate a thermonuclear bomb? That's right, China thermonukes the whole facility or all of Japan straight to hell. That's what happens when China is a mature thermonuclear power with W-88 warheads and your country doesn't have mature thermonuclear technology.

You die first.

No, it is YOU who are dumb. China's leadership is not so stupid as you are. Right now, if the US and Japan deems nuclear weapons to be a vital component in keeping balance in Asia, the US can station nuclear weapons in Japan and it would still be as if Japan developed her own. There is nothing China can do about it.

 

[SamantK]

It seems that the Vietnamese govt. has a bigger mouth and that's why it just cannot resist the idea of swallowing the big black d!ck of obama.

What do you expect them to do, they have China breathing down their Neck. They need a counterbalance, US is the best option for them..

 

[T-Rex]

You have a big mouth.

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