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US secretly met Kayani to deliver a 'tough message': NYT

That 'rift' has been corroborated by official statements from US officials ..

Next excuse, since you chose to ignore the substance of my comment that if Pakistan had indeed capitulated, a NW operation would be 'imminent'?

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So what was the 'tough message' about, if they are doing what they want to do already?

A large operation like the one for NWA would be apparent already (with the movement of men and materials) - no such operation will take place, it is not in our current interest to do so.

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I cant believe THE STUPID americans actually requested GOP and military to crack down on a perceived terror group.

Havent they realised yet THAT the pakistanis will do what is in their national interest first BUT will nod head and play lip service to the yanks in the mean time.

We have done what is in our national interest, should be no surprise to the Yanks.
 
What tough message was this?! Utter rubbish!! ... Never knew that, like the Indians, Americans are also compulsive liars
They have been making contacts with the Haqqanis themselves all the while accusing us of having contacts with the Haqqanis! Bloody hypocrites
 
If only that was as easy as typing on a keyboard. :rolleyes:

Leave aside what the bankrupt, tired and defeated American military can do to Pakistan. Tell us what Indians can do other than creating a lot of internet traffic and in general ranting and raving about those things which the Americans themselves even don’t claim that they can pull off .. LOL :P
 
Lovely comments:

GENRAL PERVAIZ KIANI SAID TRUE IN FRONT OF MEDIA AND WE EXPECT MORE FROM GENERAL KIANI.SIR I WANT TO ENTER IN THE PAK ARMY TO SERVE MY CONTRY I AM MEDICALLY AND PHYSICALLY FIT
Prince Mohammed

October, 06 2011
GENRAL Ashfaq Kayani he is a brave man like all army are..he true in his word but the main problem is our corrupt leader who decide what should do Army always sincere with nation
Sadia Khan

October, 06 2011
GENERAl KIANI is no doubt about a true sincere Pakistani who have pain for Pakistan Media should act maturity do not headline anything what US media said and defend ISI

sanjeeva sathkumara
October, 06 2011
I am from Srilanka I really love him you know why because his of personality very hard to find now days these kind of high profile personality

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Looks like Kayani did make some promises that resulted in the subsequent softening of the tone from USA

they want us to attack N. Waziristan where allegedly Haqqanis have a base; they've told us to attack Quetta too in the past though we never hear much about so-called "Quetta Shura" anymore

Pakistan will not blindly comply to outrageous requests, especially those that go against our national interests...and most especially those that are issued in the media and not even presented with proper evidence. Time and time again our side asks for evidence and we get replies on CNN and New York Slimes --which is typical.

suffice to say, none of these demands have been heeded to and therefore Pakistan is facing inexorable pressure due to its policy of non-compliance. I personally believe that this is the right policy; hours upon hours are placed upon threat assesments, hours and hours are placed upon cause & effect analysis, hours and hours are placed upon discussing strategies their implementation and of course contingency plans.

none of the blind, evidence-devoid "demands" will be heeded to as long as they conflict with our domestic interests as well as interests in the region.


so therefore, a "talks" in Geneva or a briefing in Lisbon or even a so-called "tough message" (we've heard them all :lol:) would do little i think to cause any major paradigm shift. It just means we will have to be on extra guard and vigil, since non-compliance with these mighty countries as they see themselves would have some ramifications --some which could effect our economy and even our national security (i wont delve into details).

What we can agree on is that terrorists must not be able to have sanctuary in Pakistan but we differ in our approach towards COIN. And in fact, we've had many succesful operations (ongoing and completed) which have helped cleanse areas of terrorists --in some cases remnants will move out and re-organize once spring season begins. But we are doing something about it and have seen great results.

as we are not in charge of Afghan affairs and have little say in how they ensure terrorists do not cross from Afghan side or lodge artillery on our civvy/para-milly positions --we can only work with tangibles and things within our locus of control. Few people talk about NATO compliance with Pakistani genuine concerns --so why in God's name would tread along their lines when they see partnership as more of a 1-way thing


partnership last time i checked is a 2-way thing. It requires trust.


at this critical juncture, there is no trust. Can it be rebuilt or not --well for starters, the blame games and finger pointing must end. Sending raymond davis's to Pakistan is a grave error and i think after being caught with their pants down last spring, one would HOPE that they would never make that mistake again or even contemplate it. They would also take note of our concerns about indian sponsored terrorism against Pakistan using Afghan soil. The Afghans themselves ought to know that they have MUCH more to lose from allowing that to happen. I think quite frankly, a 'reminder' would be in order but that's up to the policy makers.

IF they don't, they (ISAF coalition, the Afghans) risk losing a country which they claim they need to get out of this mess and help in the reconciliation process.
 
All these WSJ articles point to the frustrations of the FIEND-stiens , the SH!T-bergs , the CRAP-inskys and the rest of their evil cabal , who have been on the wrong side of humanity since time immemorial!
These evil people are unable to digest a nuclear armed Pakistan who has persevered all the attacks that are being directs towards it and who is still countering all their evil plans!
Long Live Pakistan!
 
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partnership last time i checked is a 2-way thing. It requires trust.


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A transactional relationship should not be confused with a partnership.

"He who pays the piper calls the tune."
 
How many Pakistanis will support a war against Haqqani network? And if the superpower can not defeat these guys then how can a 3rd world country defeat these guys? And what if these guys are undefeatable and they have a major role in Afghanistan's future, Pakistan will have to live with them forever while U.S. can simply pack up their bags and return to the other side of the planet in North America.

Theres absolutely no gain for Pakistan or its military to go to war against these guys.

I know some Amreekan, indians, and indian-wannabes in this forum will disagree with me.

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Looks like Kayani did make some promises that resulted in the subsequent softening of the tone from USA

Kayani is not like Musharraf. He will never go against the wishes of his people.
 
Earlier, the US officials met with the leaders of Haqqani network in efforts to talk the militant organisation into ending the war in Afghanistan. According to the NYT report, both the meetings were an indication of “Obama administration’s complicated and seemingly contradictory policies in Afghanistan and Pakistan”, as well as the efforts of the US to rebuild its deteriorating relationship with Pakistan.
The report states that the US State Department is willing to designate the Haqqani network as a “Foreign Terrorist Organisation,” but some military commanders are holding back the decision fearing that it might “alienate the Haqqanis and drive them away from future talks.”


These two paragraphs say it all.

U.S. wants Pakistan to be Qurbani ka Bakara in their Afghanistan exit strategy plan.
 
A transactional relationship should not be confused with a partnership.

"He who pays the piper calls the tune."

either the ATM started malfunctioning and handing out the wrong currency, or the user at the ATM forgot the pin number or perhaps just decided to leave that bank branch and try something else.

it's hard to think anywhere in history where any purely transactional relationship lasted....can you think of any?

without talking about pied pipers and tunes --- it's important to say where were we then and where are we today
 
either the ATM started malfunctioning and handing out the wrong currency, or the user at the ATM forgot the pin number or perhaps just decided to leave that bank branch and try something else.

it's hard to think anywhere in history where any purely transactional relationship lasted....can you think of any?

without talking about pied pipers and tunes --- it's important to say where were we then and where are we today

Or more likely the master decided to hire another piper! :D
 
These two paragraphs say it all.

U.S. wants Pakistan to be Qurbani ka Bakara in their Afghanistan exit strategy plan.

obviously.....it's the most convenient option for them --they kill many birds with one stone by doing so.

however there is no guarantee that it will work. In fact, the guarantee seems to be on the 'other' outcome which i think they deep down know and realize. . . .


that is why what you hear on the media is not the same language we hear behind the scenes......i've even seen instances where some western journalists themselves are asking why the harsh language in public when in private they are actually in contact with the people they call 'terrorists' who are "affiliated with al qaeda" --through indirect and perhaps even direct channels.

it is a question that will hopefully be answered soon to the international audience

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Or more likely the master decided to hire another piper! :D

master didn't have to hire....the old piper said 'dafa karo' and the new one came fresh out of the ganges river after a nice bath in industrial waste, hoping to warm up to H.R. before even presenting credentials or a plan
 
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