US says no to nuclear power plant to Pak

[gen x]

it is not possible fo us to deal with Pakistan on nuclear power plant

 

[TechLahore]

In your opinion, the US - India nuclear deal may not be a big deal.
But it is a big deal when you consider the following:

It is a big deal... albeit in a different way. India will be paying the US 10s of billions of dollars on mostly regular commercial terms. In fact it's a huge deal!

But why would we care?

The point I was trying to make was that we have been building reactors with Chinese cooperation on better terms than the US gives to anyone.

The fact of the matter is that if the US did offer nuclear technology to Pakistan with the strings it would likely attach to such technology, we would have to say "no" in order to preserve our national interest. That said, of course, diplomacy seeks leverage and we keep pressing on the nuke technology issue as number one on the list of asks so that we "compromise" and settle for demand number two. That's just the way negotiation goes...

So I don't expect Pakistan to stop seeking nuclear tech from the US, but I also don't think we are expecting it or need it. The cooperation we have with China is more than enough for our needs. And long term, that is the correct strategy any way. China is the future.

1. China herself seeks nuclear technology and assistance from western nations like France and US to build and operate large fourth generation nuclear reactors. When the French reactors go online in 2013 it will annually generate 26

Yes, France has arguably the most advanced civilian nuclear technology. And it definitely produces the highest percentage of electricity via nuclear reactors. Luckily, they are also very cooperative with customers who are willing to pay $ like China can.

But why would China seeking nuclear technology from western nations "like France" be a problem for us? How does it matter in the least to us? We still end up getting whatever we need.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We have france good old france

 

[dbc]

It is a big deal... albeit in a different way. India will be paying the US 10s of billions of dollars on mostly regular commercial terms. In fact it's a huge deal!

But why would we care?

You should care, the deal allows India unrestricted access to nuclear technology, it grants India an exemption by the Nuclear Suppliers Group to import raw materials and sophisticated equipment.

The 45-nation NSG granted the waiver to India on September 6, 2008 allowing it to access civilian nuclear technology and fuel from other countries. The implementation of this waiver makes India the only known country with nuclear weapons which is not a party to the Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) but is still allowed to carry out nuclear commerce with the rest of the world

In a nutshell, India can now import everything it needs to exponentially grow its nuclear stockpile.

Still don't care?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

You should care, the deal allows India unrestricted access to nuclear technology, it grants India an exemption by the Nuclear Suppliers Group to import raw materials and sophisticated equipment.



In a nutshell, India can now import everything it needs to exponentially grow its nuclear stockpile.

Still don't care?

We also got a waiver from Iran and we wrote one for them and then china and russia confirmed it as witness - thats pretty international community enough for us

 

[gen x]

You should care, the deal allows India unrestricted access to nuclear technology, it grants India an exemption by the Nuclear Suppliers Group to import raw materials and sophisticated equipment.



In a nutshell, India can now import everything it needs to exponentially grow its nuclear stockpile.

Still don't care?

they just care for weapons

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

they just care for weapons

Yes that is natural when arm's race in region is stated by some ppl

 

[gambit]

WASHINGTON: The US has categorically told Pakistan that it would not get any atomic power plant or civilian nuclear deal on the lines of the one signed with India.

"The United States is working closely with Pakistan to help meet its growing needs. Nuclear power is not currently part of our discussions," a senior Administration official told PTI.

Leaders of Pakistan, who have been pitching hard for a nuclear power plant, have been told about in recently.

The senior Administration official, preferring anonymity, said the US has also told Pakistan that there is no way that they can get a civilian nuclear deal similar to the one the Obama Administration has signed with India.

The Indo-US civilian nuclear deal is specific to India only and there is no thinking going on in the administration to create a template for it, the official said.

Moreover, given the past experiences that the US had with Pakistan on nuclear proliferation issue and the episode of disgraced Pakistani scientist A Q Khan accused of transferring sensitive technologies abroad, the official said both the top American lawmakers and those in the US Government have serious concerns about the safety of Pakistani nuclear weapons.

Under these circumstances, it is quite difficult to consider "that (nuclear power)" option for Pakistan, the officials pointed out.

There is a gross misconception about nuclear power generation versus nuclear weaponry here.

What is common to both is a nuclear chain reaction. What is NOT common to both is control. It is actually easier to build a nuclear EXPLOSIVE device, aka 'The Bomb', than it is is build a facility to precisely control a nuclear chain reaction. If all you are interested in is an uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction, then all you need, besides the obviously fissile material, are mechanisms to initiate the chain reaction and let the laws of physics take their courses. But if you wish to control the chain reaction to capture its energy output FOR THE LONG TERM, then you need facilities to precisely control and monitor from initiation to reaction to shutdown the entire process. That is why Three Mile Island is so much larger than the nuclear bombs I used to work around during the Cold War. What Khan did was peddled the technical know-hows and the tools to initiate the chain reaction. No more. If what Khan know is sufficient then why does Pakistan need US assistance to build a power generation nuclear reaction anyway?

 

[gen x]

There is a gross misconception about nuclear power generation versus nuclear weaponry here.

What is common to both is a nuclear chain reaction. What is NOT common to both is control. It is actually easier to build a nuclear EXPLOSIVE device, aka 'The Bomb', than it is is build a facility to precisely control a nuclear chain reaction. If all you are interested in is an uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction, then all you need, besides the obviously fissile material, are mechanisms to initiate the chain reaction and let the laws of physics take their courses. But if you wish to control the chain reaction to capture its energy output FOR THE LONG TERM, then you need facilities to precisely control and monitor from initiation to reaction to shutdown the entire process. That is why Three Mile Island is so much larger than the nuclear bombs I used to work around during the Cold War. What Khan did was peddled the technical know-hows and the tools to initiate the chain reaction. No more. If what Khan know is sufficient then why does Pakistan need US assistance to build a power generation nuclear reaction anyway?

when Pakistani member understand this thing

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Oh wait arent we building our own new nuclear facility look like Abdul Qaderr (Qadir) must have been constructing something for his nation wonderful man he is

Reference:http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/...+reactor+at+Khushab&artid=pQqZ2l/ffuU=&Sectio

3rd one , and as for the nuclear reactors , we already have civilian nuclear reactors lol ... we can just examin it and coordinate with china


MIGHTY CHINA agrees to give 2 nuclear civil energy to Pakisan
Reference:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/18/world/main4530697.shtml

China has agreed to sell two new nuclear reactors to Pakistan to help the increasingly energy-starved country from further disarray in its energy generation, Pakistani officials announced on Saturday.

The agreement for the two reactors, to be located at Chashma, a small city in Pakistan's central Punjab province, follows China's installation of a nuclear power reactor at the same site. Meanwhile, work is continuing on the construction of a second Chinese nuclear reactor in the same city.

"It is a good gesture at a time of growing power shortages (in Pakistan)," Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said at a press conference in Islamabad on Saturday. Pakistanis have braved up to 12 hours of electricity cuts since the beginning of this year.

But there are broader diplomatic implications of the Chinese gesture. China considers Pakistan a close friend and ally, and has helped the south Asian country through previous nuclear cooperation.

By contrast, the United States has denied a civil nuclear agreement for Pakistan along the lines of its recent agreement to supply civil nuclear reactors to India, the largest south Asian country, which in the past has had a troubled relationship with both China and Pakistan.

Is that the Sophysticated engineering you were talking about controlling nuclear energy ??? lol ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh those nuclear reactors are hard to build how will we every build ...it oh wait did we build few already oh yes... we DID

Practice for the real deal

 

[ambidex]

If what Khan know is sufficient then why does Pakistan need US assistance to build a power generation nuclear reaction anyway?

Precisely, why Pakistan need US assistance if self capable to generate Power or can render help from Iran, France and China. USA for nuclear technology is like master key for anything which can ensure bouts of nuclear technology and material influx into Pakistan.

I think if Pakistan will lobby properly its case with many means then Pakistan's desire may mature into some kind of deal.

I hope Pakistan's GDP will increase to make its case stronger as glimpses of improvement can be seen this fiscal year but at present Pakistan's demand for Nuclear deal is over optimistic and the timing to me is nothing but its jealousy for India's Nuclear deal with USA.

Points making your case strong before asking nuclear deal:
1. High Carbon Emissions i.e strain on conventional sources of energy.
2. Sincerity. (Investment in home grown technology, Nuclear R&D, Resources at disposal, futuristic plans and investment blue print).
3. Satisfaction of Nuclear Non Proliferation lobby !!.
4. Proposed production target (Realistic) to lure investors. (which is only 2-3% up to 2030. Given the fact Pakistan will be able to satisfy above three).

 

[Simorgh]

I agree after we have our 300 JF17 Thunders and 100 J10 we shoudl really focus on alliances in regions mainly
iran / pakistan/ turkey / china /russia / May be Middle east if they are smart

Becasue if we think about it , if these countrie only trade with themsleves they can live quite happy enjoyable economy as a Group


Russia/Iran (Oil and Energy, Nuclear technology, Space program)
China (Industry, Silk, Nuclear technology, Electronics, Mobile phone, Laser , Space Program)
Turkey (Industry, Radars, Electronics, Communication networks,missiles)
Pakistan( Agriculture, Raw goods, Spices, Dairy, Nuclear technology, Space program)
Middle east (More oil and energy unlimited space for new cities, dates , shawarma)
Malasia (Computer , Electronics, computer chips , circuits technology)

Every thing is right here in this region with out needing to go all the way to US or Europe

That is what the D8 ( Developing 8 Countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) is for, they have a meeting in Tehran today.

 

[Isaq Khan]

You should care, the deal allows India unrestricted access to nuclear technology, it grants India an exemption by the Nuclear Suppliers Group to import raw materials and sophisticated equipment.



In a nutshell, India can now import everything it needs to exponentially grow its nuclear stockpile.

Still don't care?

1. Most importantly French and Russian have guaranteed life time supply of uranium no matter what.

2. Also, India has the right to recycle it for further use.

 

[Hutchroy]

With 175,000,000,000 Tonns of Coal discovered In Pakistan why does Pakistan need Nuclear Power when it is far far cheaper to build Coal-Fired Chinese Built Thermal Power Plants?

 

[TaimiKhan]

With 175,000,000,000 Tonns of Coal discovered In Pakistan why does Pakistan need Nuclear Power when it is far far cheaper to build Coal-Fired Chinese Built Thermal Power Plants?

175,000,000,000 doesn't means it is fully usable, it depends on the quality of coal also which would be used.