US says no ‘decisive’ change in Pakistan’s behaviour despite aid freeze

[ziaulislam]

Feel free to play internet economist and obfuscate with a first of its kind economic theory and modelling. I'm not here to educate you on the realities of your current economic conditions.
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/02/25/falling-exports-2/

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This kind proves how idoit you are...enougj said
Just look this year data of exports and remittances and come back to me rather than quoting tabloids

 

[takeitwithyou]

This kind proves how idoit you are...enougj said
Just look this year data of exports and remittances and come back to me rather than quoting tabloids

I suppose everyone is idiot compared to you, but that was from your own government publication posted by Pakistani media source.

 

[ziaulislam]

Go to sbp.com.pk rather than quoting a tabloid than misquotes statebank
Pakistan wasnt on list when it had nukes what makes you think it would be on it now.

 

[ziaulislam]

I have posted several times on this forum all the relevant data...cant entertain every idoit who comes along

 

[ziaulislam]

http://www.sbp.org.pk/publications/export/index.htm

 

[ziaulislam]

Use your brain and let me know what are the exports since july 2017 and what are the projection for 2017-2018

 

[ziaulislam]

Also calculate the remitances and anaylse our imports and plot a simple graph and compare that to india economy in 2006-2012 time ....
I have done it time and again here ...all dooms day anysles for last 5 year never came to.fruition because there was no such thing....

Like it or not by 2030 if we havent nuked each other india will be the third and Pakistan somewhere in 17-20 biggest economy ...with similar poverty rates and HDI

 

[airmarshal]

Let's discuss your views with credibility and honesty.

1.The U.S won't lose any credibility over Pakistan. For that, Pakistan needs to have a semblance of influence on the international stage which could challenge our viewpoints

2. IMF refusal on loans, means you find it difficult to pay back loans. which means you have to go to the black market rates (China) to furnish them. Which would put you into a tailspin on more loans becoming impossible to pay. Which will also downgrade and further deteriorate your credit rating.

3. We are not speaking of several other tools like sanctions on the international market. removal from banking transactions systems (when one gets blacklisted) etc etc.

All of this for what? Because of the advice that Pakistanis and its institutions double down on terror support/financing label and challenge 34 out 35 countries. Makes no sense frankly.


That quote is not meant to be a compliment or advice to stick to such ways.

It does not make sense either way. US and Pakistan should talk but since US is a world power its arrogance prevents it from listening to genuine concerns of Pakistan.

We dont believe USA is in Afghanistan to leave. If it stays, it creates a lot more problems than imagined. All this talk of fighting terror from USA is bulls*it. If it was sincere, a handful of Taliban and other groups could have been easily eliminated. Look at Russia. It liberated couple of Syrian cities from ISIS and Al Qaeda type terror groups. Russian campaign also unraveled clandestine links between Americans and these extremists groups. USA is still in Syria purportedly fighting ISIS. But its real reason is to give support to extremists in Syria to force a regime change in Damascus.

Granted Pakistan cant fight USA. But at this moment, US needs Pakistan. But looking at ground situation and US track record of deceit and lies, Taliban should hold their territory and be a force to chip away at American power in Afghanistan. USA has to go if South Asia wants to see peace. Else it will keep creating mischief in Iran, Pakistan, Russia and China. All neighbors of Afghanistan and all on wrong side of American interests in the region.

 

[takeitwithyou]

It does not make sense either way. US and Pakistan should talk but since US is a world power its arrogance prevents it from listening to genuine concerns of Pakistan.

We dont believe USA is in Afghanistan to leave. If it stays, it creates a lot more problems than imagined. All this talk of fighting terror from USA is bulls*it. If it was sincere, a handful of Taliban and other groups could have been easily eliminated. Look at Russia. It liberated couple of Syrian cities from ISIS and Al Qaeda type terror groups. Russian campaign also unraveled clandestine links between Americans and these extremists groups. USA is still in Syria purportedly fighting ISIS. But its real reason is to give support to extremists in Syria to force a regime change in Damascus.

Granted Pakistan cant fight USA. But at this moment, US needs Pakistan. But looking at ground situation and US track record of deceit and lies, Taliban should hold their territory and be a force to chip away at American power in Afghanistan. USA has to go if South Asia wants to see peace. Else it will keep creating mischief in Iran, Pakistan, Russia and China. All neighbors of Afghanistan and all on wrong side of American interests in the region.

This sounds like a foreign policy opinion. A lot of it even makes sense. None of it helps or calls for Pakistan to change its ways. It is like I've said repeatedly here. 1% of Pakistani's here call for a reversal of Pakistan government and military establishment to move away from using, supporting and financing terror groups against any one. 99% say double down and defy- discouraging.

 

[ziaulislam]

world 95% opium is produced in afghanistan resposnible for almost all terror financing and deaths of 10,000s of people..enough said

 

[xyxmt]

There is a neighbour in that region that reacted the same (N Korea). So, fortunately for Pakistan, they see a precedence for such behavior and its consequences.

what is that you American dont understand, you consider yourself the SUPER power, do your own dirty work and dont assume others will do it for you for few dollars. Or you can accept that you are incapable of winning any war please help us win this once. You claim to know everything because you can see every part of the world, cant you see these Taliban; you claim to have sanctuaries in Pakistan; travel 200 miles deep inside Afghanistan for attacks, cant you kill them while they move from "sanctuaries" to targets?? or do you use your eyes in the sky to attack wedding parties and hospitals only...as far as those of us Pakistanis living in west and criticizing Americans, I have never met a pure bread Canadian who have different views about US than any one us "Luxury living" Pakistanis, US policies are hated equally by all "informed" public in any country.

 

[ziaulislam]

This sounds like a foreign policy opinion. A lot of it even makes sense. None of it helps or calls for Pakistan to change its ways. It is like I've said repeatedly here. 1% of Pakistani's here call for a reversal of Pakistan government and military establishment to move away from using, supporting and financing terror groups against any one. 99% say double down and defy- discouraging.

if you are serious listen to this or ignore it if you are just a keyboard worrier

 

[Abdullah S.]

To avoid crossing the road into a "blacklist". Unless going from a greylist to blacklist and joining the likes of N Korea and the sanctions it faces is an acceptable risk.

We've been there before, didn't effect us at all. There still was no "behavior change".

 

[takeitwithyou]

We've been there before, didn't effect us at all. There still was no "behavior change".

You have never been on a blacklist, ever. Among several crippling sanctions- They disallow you do any transactions "internationally" within the golbal payment platforms.

 

[Pandora]

You have never been on a blacklist, ever. Among several crippling sanctions- They disallow you do any transactions "internationally" within the golbal payment platforms.

Pakistan is due to be put on Gray List FYI not Black. Secondly we have put up with American sanctions when US was sole power in the play. What makes you think that US sanctions will make a difference this time around when US is being slapped around in UN by Russia and China? Entire West dick slapped you in UNGA on Jerusalem Issue just in case you forgot that so soon. Lastly we merely need to block ALOC and GLOC for a period of few months and you will come begging on your knees. You people over estimate your value in international financial and political matters. Just remember that the day you break the last straw is the day you Americans will figure out how we make Indians dance around our middle finger despite them being 10 times bigger nation in every aspect.