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LOL thousands of years. Dont spread lies here. Manchu started to rule China in 1600. They adopted Chinese language to make it easy for them to control China.

Manchu is seen as foreigners even until 1912, the end of their rule

Anti-Qing sentiment
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"Anti-Manchu sentiment" redirects here. For specific hatred against Manchu people, see Anti-Manchuism.

Sun Yat-sen, one of the leaders of the Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the Qing dynasty in 1912. Photo taken in 1907

Anti-Qing sentiment (Chinese: 反清; pinyin: fǎn Qīng) refers to a sentiment principally held in China against Manchu rule during the Qing dynasty (1636–1912), which was criticized by opponents as being barbaric. The Qing was accused of destroying traditional Han culture by forcing Han to wear their hair in a queue in the Manchu style. It was blamed for suppressing Chinese science, causing China to be transformed from the world's premiere power to a poor, backwards nation. The people of the Eight Banners lived off government pensions unlike the general Han civilian population.

The rallying slogan of anti-Qing activists was "Fǎn Qīng fù Míng" (simplified Chinese: 反清复明; traditional Chinese: 反清復明; literally: "Oppose Qing and restore Ming"), related to the Boxer Rebellion slogan "Revive the Qing and destroy the foreigners" ("扶清滅洋 fú Qīng miè yáng").

In the broadest sense, an anti-Qing activist was anyone who engaged in anti-Manchu direct action. This included people from many mainstream political movements and uprisings, such as Taiping Rebellion, the Xinhai Revolution, the Revolt of the Three Feudatories, the Revive China Society, the Tongmenghui, the Panthay Rebellion, White Lotus Rebellion, and others.

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Anti-Manchuism (Chinese: 排滿) refers to sentiment which is held against the Manchus, or sentiment which was held against the Qing Dynasty's rule over Chinese civilization which was often resented for supposedly being a barbaric regime which ruled over Chinese civilization despite a high degree of cultural integration by the Manchus. This ethnic-based[citation needed] sentiment tended to be a subset of the greater anti-Qing sentiment. Some of the anti-Manchuists in the Qing dynasty stated "Fan qing fu ming" (simplified Chinese: 反清复明; traditional Chinese: 反清復明) to say they want to rebuild the Ming dynasty and overthrow the Qing dynasty.

Sun Yat Sen, who overthrew the Qing Dynasty and founded the Chinese Republic, proclaimed this when he launched his rebellion against the Qing Dynasty which was led by Manchus and ruled all of China from 1644 to 1911:

In order to restore our national independence, we must first restore the Chinese nation. In order to restore the Chinese nation, we must drive the barbarian Manchus back to the Changbai Mountains. In order to get rid of the barbarians, we must first overthrow the present tyrannical, dictatorial, ugly, and corrupt Qing government. Fellow countrymen, a revolution is the only means to overthrow the Qing government!

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Taiping Rebellion
Main articles: Taiping Rebellion and Taiping Heavenly Kingdom

A drawing of Hong Xiuquan as the "Heavenly King" (ca. 1860)

Hong Xiuquan (洪秀全, Hóng Xiùquán) was a Hakka Chinese who was the leader of the Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864) against the Qing dynasty. He proclaimed himself to be the Heavenly King, established the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and called Jesus Christ his brother.[citation needed]

Genocide and extermination of Manchus
Driven by their fierce hatred of Manchus, the Taiping launched a massive genocide campaign against the Manchus to exterminate their entire race.

The genocide of Manchus was incredible, in every area they captured, the Taiping immediately rushed into the Manchu fort in order to kill all the Manchus. One Qing loyalist observed in the province of Hunan of the genocidal massacres committed by Taiping forces against the Manchus and wrote of the "pitiful Manchus", the Manchu men, women and children who were exterminated by the Taiping with their swords. Once Hefei capitulated, the Taiping forces rushed into the Manchu quarter shouting "Kill the demons (Manchus)!" while exterminating all the Manchus living there. Ningbo's entire Manchu population was also annihilated.[12]

After conquering Nanjing, Taiping forces stormed the Manchu fort, killing some 40,000 Manchus, which was the city's entire population of Manchus.[13] On 27 October 1853 they crossed the Yellow River in T'sang-chou and butchered about 10,000 Manchus.[14] In Shaoxing 2,000 Manchus were also killed.[15]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Manchuism

You need to differentiate between a Nation and an Ethnic.

Manchu itself is part of a Chinese Dynasty known as Jin Dynasty (Successor of Liao Dynasty)
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Yes, there is sentiment between Han and Manchu in the past. But that doesn't mean Manchu are not part of China.

Like in Indonesia,
in the past there is a sentiment between Javanese and Ambonese. Because many Ambonese serve in Colonial Troops (KNIL).

But that doesn't mean Ambonese is not part of Indonesia, right?

You believe Guangdong and Guangxi people want to join Vietnam?

I believe the Vietnamese one especially from the north, want to join Guangdong and Guangxi :D Lol
 
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You need to differentiate between a Nation and an Ethnic.

Manchu itself is part of a Chinese Dynasty known as Jin Dynasty (Successor of Liao Dynasty)
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Yes, there is sentiment between Han and Manchu in the past. But that doesn't mean Manchu are not part of China.

Like in Indonesia,
in the past there is a sentiment between Javanese and Ambonese. Because many Ambonese serve in Colonial Troops (KNIL).

But that doesn't mean Ambonese is not part of Indonesia, right?

Do I need to explain once more after my posts ?

Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Philippine are seen as same people with the banner nation called Nusantara. It is why there is Palapa oath

Palapa oath
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This article is about Gajah Mada's historical oath. For Indonesian satellite, see Palapa.

High relief at Monas in Jakarta, depicting Gajah Mada taking his Palapa oath.
The Palapa oath (Indonesian: Sumpah Palapa) was an oath taken by Gajah Mada, a 14th-century Prime Minister of the Javanese Majapahit Empire described in the Pararaton (Book of Kings). In this oath Gajah Mada swore that he would not taste any spice, as long as he had not succeeded in unifying Nusantara (the Indonesian archipelago). The oath was taken during his inauguration as Majapahit Amangkubhumi (Prime Minister) that took place in 1256 Saka (1334) or 1258 Saka (1336).[1]

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While Manchu was never seen as part of China for so long until Manchu controlled China (1600-1912) and even those rebellion in the end period ofQing just show how Chinese perceive Manchurian. Manchurian has different language and script.
 
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While Manchu was never seen as part of China for so long until Manchu controlled China (1600-1912) and even those rebellion in the end period ofQing just show how Chinese perceive Manchurian. Manchurian has different language and script.
How many Manchus you ever met in your whole life? I probably meet more Manchus in a day than you'll do in your whole life, did you ever see any Manchus saying they are not Chinese and want a new separate country?
 
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While Manchu was never seen as part of China for so long until Manchu controlled China (1600-1912) and even those rebellion in the end period ofQing just show how Chinese perceive Manchurian. Manchurian has different language and script.

Manchu was seen part of China since long time ago, thousands year ago (Since Liao Dynasty and Jin Dynasty Era)
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But yes, there is sentiment against Manchu in the end of Qing Dynasty Era.

But still, a temporary sentiment doesn't mean they are not part of that nation. And change the fact since thousands year ago


If you have manchurian friends, they will not agree with your opinion
 
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Manchu was seen part of China since long time ago, thousands year ago (Since Liao Dynasty and Jin Dynasty Era)
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But yes, there is sentiment against Manchu in the end of Qing Dynasty Era.

But still, a temporary sentiment doesn't mean they are not part of that nation. And change the fact since thousands year ago


If you have manchurian friends, they will not agree with your opinion

Of course after modern China is formed, they are Chinese now. Similar like some Mongolian who are living inside China.
 
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She got China many world champions both as an athlete and a coach, she is the single greatest athlete in the Chinese hisotry. we Beijingers are proud cause she is from Beijing, we never think there's a difference between Han and Manchu, maybe there was in the history, but not even the slightest now.


Of course after modern China is formed, they are Chinese now. Similar like some Mongolian who are living inside China.
Some Mongols are still herdsmen and still have their culture and language, Not even one person can speak Manchu language now and there's no Manchu culture left, Manchus now have 100% Han culture and everything, tell me what difference is still here to separate Han and Manchu, I bet you can't, cause no one can.
 
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Some Mongols are still herdsmen and still have their culture and language, Not even one person can speak Manchu language now and there's no Manchu culture left, Manchus now have 100% culture and everything, tell me what difference is still here to separate Han and Manchu, I bet you can't, cause no one can.

It is because what China did since modern China is formed. Their own language is suppressed. We can still find Manchu language


 
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It is because what China did since modern China is formed. Their own language is suppressed. We can still find Manchu language


We can still find Khitan language but it's a dead language which no new speaks now. We are talking about today, not the time when Beijing itself was a country. there's no difference bwt Han and Manchus, Manchus are as much Chinese as Hans are.

It is because what China did since modern China is formed. Their own language is suppressed. We can still find Manchu language
Emperor in Qing dynasty can't speak Manchu language, who oppressed him??

Emperor Puyi could not speak Manchu; he only knew a single word in the language, yili ("arise")
 
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Emperor in Qing dynasty can't speak Manchu language, who oppressed him??

Yup, the Manchu in capital (Beijing) has already adopted Chinese, understandable the Qing descendant dont speak Manchu anymore. What I mean is Manchu in Manchurian
 
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Yup, the Manchu in capital (Beijing) has already adopted Chinese, understandable the Qing descendant dont speak Manchu anymore. What I mean is Manchu in Manchurian
No speaks Manchu anywhere in China now,it's a distant memory, the Han and Manchus had long become one.
 
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Its normal if someone foreigner dont know about Indonesia history.. i can understand that..
But its so stupid if some Indonesian dont know about Indonesia history but much know about chinesse history
 
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Its normal if someone foreigner dont know about Indonesia history.. i can understand that..
But its so stupid if some Indonesian dont know about Indonesia history but much know about chinesse history

But his knowledge on China long history is so shallow
 
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