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The article below indicates the US has spent almost $1 billion on heli purchases from Russia for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The article states the amount spent for Iraq is about $300 million. Assuming a similar amount for Afghanistan and Pakistan totaling around $1 billion for all three, Pakistan might be provided with 20+ russian choppers.

Good news, and hopefully the Russians deliver (which, if the point about delays being the result of integrating Western systems on Russian choppers is true) should not be a major issue.

Russian Aircraft Purchase Draws Congressional Ire

(Jan. 7) – In December 2007, the Pentagon gave a no-bid contract worth more than $300 million to ARINC, a Maryland company, to buy 22 Russian helicopters that were urgently needed for Iraq's nascent military. Two years later, even after all of the money has been paid out, none of the helicopters have been delivered, the costs have increased and it's unclear when, if ever, the helicopters will be delivered.

Now, the Pentagon's quiet purchase of nearly a billion dollars worth of Russian helicopters for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan is drawing fire from Congress. Democrats and Republicans are is questioning the military's rationale for buying the foreign equipment and blasting the price paid for aircraft that are traditionally cheaper to purchase and maintain.

And cheaper may not be the case now.

Contracts obtained through the Freedom of Information Act show considerable difference between the base price of the helicopters from Russia and the price paid through the U.S. government to ARINC, the prime contractor. The Russian subcontractor, Airfreight Aviation, offered the Russian helicopters for about $7.9 million each. ARINC then sold the helicopters, with Western modifications, for a unit price of between about $12.5 million and $13.5 million. Delivery delays increased the price even more.

"We find it disturbing that the cost per unit has gone up significantly compared to nine years ago," a Senate aide familiar with the issue told Sphere.

Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., blasted the deal last month in a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Dodd complained that the Russian equipment was bought in a way that "rewards foreign companies with single-source contracts" and does not provide adequate oversight of the deals. "In sum, the United States has spent over $800 million of taxpayer funds on Russian airframes without ever conducting an analysis of alternatives or considering other airframes for the mission," Dodd wrote. The letter was co-signed by Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn.

Connecticut is home to American helicopter manufacturer Sikorsky.

Richard Shelby, a Republican senator from Alabama, another state with a substantial helicopter industrial base, demanded in a separate letter that the Pentagon stop purchasing Russian helicopters until a thorough analysis could be conducted. He also criticized the Iraqi deal, noting that "the $345 million U.S./Iraqi acquisition contract is nearly a year behind schedule and the cost of airframes has skyrocketed."

The Pentagon has acknowledged difficulties associated with buying Russian equipment, but defends the purchases for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as the most appropriate aircraft for these countries, which have experience operating Russian helicopters.

Pentagon officials speaking on background have said the delays and cost increases are the partly the result of getting the U.S. State Department to agree to allow the integration of Western equipment on foreign aircraft, which requires sharing technical details with the Russians. ARINC, in the meantime, has been given a contract for an additional 10 helicopters for Afghanistan. Those helicopters also have not been delivered yet.

The Pentagon's policy on buying Russian helicopters is complicated by another factor: the U.S has sanctions placed on Russian's arms export agency, Rosoboronexport, for allegedly selling weapons to Iran. Those sanctions, in theory, prevent the U.S. government from buying any military equipment from Russia.

To get around the sanctions, the Pentagon sought and received a waiver specifically allowing it to buy Russian helicopters, creating the bizarre situation whereby the U.S. government is exempting the only major military equipment it buys from Russia.

Buying Russian helicopters has always been a tricky business for the U.S. government. During the Cold War, the U.S. quietly bought Russian equipment, including helicopters, in order to test the Soviets' military capabilities. Such purchases often required dealing with gunrunners and arms smugglers.

The CIA has also bought Russian helicopters to operate for its own clandestine air wing, including for its 2001 Jawbreaker operations in Afghanistan that helped bring down the Taliban. Two people involved in those helicopter purchases – an Army official and a contractor – were brought to trial and sent to prison in 2007 in connection with that deal.

Over the past several years, many of the Pentagon's purchases were handled through an obscure office in Huntsville, Ala., known as the Threat Systems Management Office, which specializes in obtaining foreign equipment for simulation. But as the contracts for Iraq and Afghanistan mounted, so did the problems.

In one case, VIP Russian helicopters bought to transport Afghan President Hamid Karzai – and equipped with flat-panel TVs and leather chairs – had to be sent back to the company that bought them and modified when they proved too heavy to fly safely.

Part of the confusion is rooted in the ad hoc nature of the purchases: The United States has bought Russian helicopters for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan using a variety of appropriated funds intended to quickly help U.S allies. Last year, President Obama ordered the delivery of four Russian helicopters to Pakistan in response to a high-level request from the country.

A Pakistani official later criticized the helicopters, saying several of the aircraft were unflyable.

ARINC, which has previously declined to comment on the Iraq contract, did not respond to questions about the current status of the helicopters. The Dubai-based Russian subcontractor, Airfreight Aviation Ltd., which is responsible for buying and modifying the helicopters, did not respond to e-mailed questions.

The Army and the Pentagon were not able to provide any comment about the contract or the congressional queries by publication time.

In the meantime, Congress is still waiting for an answer. Language inserted in the recently signed 2010 defense spending bill requires the Pentagon to report on its plans for purchasing more Russian helicopters for Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing," the Senate aide said. "We'd like to see better oversight."

Pentagon's Purchase of Russian Aircraft Draws Congressional Ire - Sphere News
 
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America buying helicopters for Pakistan that certainly is great news for Army aviation, but what type of helicopters are these ? from what I'm assuming is combat helicopters why would U.S buy Russian equipment when they produce the best themselves. 20 Apaches would certainly make us happy but if its not Apaches, KA-50 will do the trick.:victory:
 
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Don't trust America, they will give you 1cent but will show you a Dollar and the service they ask in return would be that of 100 dollars. We can get Russian equipment through China. No need no American favors, we already owe them a lot.
 
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surprising why US would arm its friends and client states with russian armament.

wont it be more logical for them to sell their own helis?
 
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the situation of afganistan is not very different from that of a client state
 
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surprising why US would arm its friends and client states with russian armament.

wont it be more logical for them to sell their own helis?

Makes sense. Why would America equip Pakistan with Russian Hardware when Pakistan is mostly operating American equipment. Its not only illogical to think that America would buy Russian hardware for Pakistan its would be an equal bad decisions considering US Economy. When it has chance to spend 1 billion dollar on its own country and give favor to its countrymen, why would it let this favor go to Russian company, specially at this time of crunch.

Additionally, Pakistan and USA are going through one of the worst patch of our relationships and we both are pointing fingers at each other. Pakistan is not such a darling of America that it give us gift of these machines? :hitwall: If you think it might use it for bargin, then America has our F-16s, 700 AAMs + frigate and God knows what else for which we are dependent on them. :hang2:
 
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I think American is afraid that after they sell the american weapons to Pakistan, they will appear in China.
The friendship between China and Pakestan make American do this decision.
American will sell Patriot missile to Taiwan, because they are sure that Taiwan won't give them to mainlands:tdown:
The relation between China and American is too delicate. I think so.:coffee:
 
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surprising why US would arm its friends and client states with russian armament.

wont it be more logical for them to sell their own helis?

their helis are expensive than the russians...and ofcourse they dont want us to have their sensitive military hardware...
 
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"A Pakistani official later criticized the helicopters, saying several of the aircraft were unflyable"

these 4 helo's were sent back to Prague,Czeck rep for overhaul and upgrade. so far only 4 helos have been given/leased to PA.

bulk of the 1 Bill US spent on Iraq/afghanistan.
 
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