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[ptldM3]

Where did I say that “everyone that supports Trump is a trailer trash” and racist white trash”?

Post #1191, the same, first and only post at the time that I quoted you on.


Like I said the irony is you call trump and his supporters racists, bigot, ect yet liberal Hilary supporters use derogatory terms towards trump supporters such as trailer trash, white trash, whitey, cracker and everything else in between.

I absolutely did not say that all of Trumps supporters are trailer trash, that would be stupid. I was criticizing his supporters who were disgracefully celebrating a person’s illness and spreading conspiracies on the web, how many can they be, 5000, 10,000? So please, don’t put words in my mouth.

Then you must be calling yourself stupid because here are your exact words:



"While the desperate trailer trash supporters of the madman were all over the web disgracefully celebrating Hillary’s illness and a million conspiracies, Hillary"

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/us-presi...6-news-and-views.374363/page-80#ixzz4KNlNAkgp



You and Hilary have atleast one thing in common......both of you are lying and the only conspiracies have been from you.

I don’t know which videos you are referring to, but I do not condone violence.

Well both Hilary and her supporters do condone violence. This is the same women that said she would "obliterate" Iran, treat cyber attacks as an act of war (US also committes cyber attacks, the irony), was on film laughing at the brutal and inhuman murder of Gudaffi and in general has been pro war, for every war and the brain dead Hilary supporters criticized Trump for being a "war monger", not surprised because the same morons actually think they will get some tax breaks from democrats

Yes, I strongly believe Trump is a racist, here are few examples:

It was actually Hilary that called a former KKK leaders Robert Byrd a "great man". If this were trump, we would not hear the end of it but if it's Hilary it's fine. Some of the closest people in his inner circle are also black....

The Justice Department twice sued Trump and his dad for housing discrimination against black and other colored people.

Typical, you don't even study the crap you post. One of the people working at one of trump's properties that claimed he was told not to not rent to blacks and Puerto Ricans was actually a Puerto Rican himself and he said the Department of Justice threatened him if he did not lie.




Goldstein, told him to “lie” or risk being “thrown in jail.” The employee described himself as a “Spanish-speaking Puerto Rican hired directly by Mr. Donald Trump.”


Source Washington Post (iPhone not letting me copy link)

He criticized a judge (calling him a Mexican) because of his Mexican heritage, even though the judge was born and raised in America.

More BS by you. You like to twist things and make something out of nothing. What Trump said is that the judge was of Mexican decent and that it was a conflict of interest for immigration hearings. He never called the judge "a Mexican".


Which he is absolutely correct. There is a reason why hundreds of jurors are called for cases and only a handful are actually picked while the rest are eliminated due to conflicts of interests and bias. The judges parents are Mexican immigrants so that is a conflict of interest.

He was also one of the leaders of birtherism movement, the racist conspiracy theory that Pres. Obama was not born in the United States and is thus an illegitimate president.

Wanting to see a birth certificate to prove someone is qualified to run for president is racist? Oh god you people are rediculus, next thing you will claim is Trump's dog is racist. You guy can't have an honest conversation without somehow throwing race into everything.

Give me some examples?

Enjoy, the same psycho that is barking like a dog--literally and has been filmed bobbing her head while grinning like she is on LSD is threatening to use nukes. While you're at it search the video where she laughed at the brutal murder of Ghudaffi.

 

[CBU-105]

Media Outraged After Trump Tricks Them To Cover Endorsements From Military Heroes


WASHINGTON — The media showed up to the presidential ballroom of the new Trump International Hotel on Friday morning expecting Donald Trump to take questions about whether he still questions if President Obama was born in the United States.

Instead, they got more than a half hour of a variety of military heroes — generals, medal of honor recipients and a gold star wife — expressing support for the Republican nominee. And it all aired live on the cable news networks.

Before the event, Trump tweeted: “I am now going to the brand new Trump International, Hotel D.C. for a major statement.” That was interpreted by the press to mean he was going to address “birther questions.”
That’s because on Thursday, Trump declined to tell the Washington Post if he still questioned whether Obama is an American citizen. But later Thursday night — after his comment took off in the media — Trump’s campaign released a statement saying: “Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.”


Realizing Trump was not using the occasion to address that subject — and instead focus it on the military — many in the press were not happy — and vented on Twitter.

Trump’s campaign announced the endorsement of 44 new military flag officers, saying that brings the number up to 164 now.

“I am grateful for the growing support of highly respected retired generals and admirals who have been so successful in defending our country,” Trump said.

At the very end of the campaign event, Trump finally addressed the topic the media was there to hear. “Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it.”

“President Barack Obama was born in the United States,” Trump said. “Period. Now we all want to get back to making America strong again.”

Many reporters, some standing on chairs, began shouting questions over the applause from the guests in attendance. But Trump, having accomplished what he wanted, took none.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/m...orsements-from-military-heroes/#ixzz4KRLdKztY

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Media Outraged After Trump Tricks Them To Cover Endorsements From Military Heroes


WASHINGTON — The media showed up to the presidential ballroom of the new Trump International Hotel on Friday morning expecting Donald Trump to take questions about whether he still questions if President Obama was born in the United States.

Instead, they got more than a half hour of a variety of military heroes — generals, medal of honor recipients and a gold star wife — expressing support for the Republican nominee. And it all aired live on the cable news networks.

Before the event, Trump tweeted: “I am now going to the brand new Trump International, Hotel D.C. for a major statement.” That was interpreted by the press to mean he was going to address “birther questions.”
That’s because on Thursday, Trump declined to tell the Washington Post if he still questioned whether Obama is an American citizen. But later Thursday night — after his comment took off in the media — Trump’s campaign released a statement saying: “Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.”


Realizing Trump was not using the occasion to address that subject — and instead focus it on the military — many in the press were not happy — and vented on Twitter.

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Trump’s campaign announced the endorsement of 44 new military flag officers, saying that brings the number up to 164 now.

“I am grateful for the growing support of highly respected retired generals and admirals who have been so successful in defending our country,” Trump said.

At the very end of the campaign event, Trump finally addressed the topic the media was there to hear. “Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it.”

“President Barack Obama was born in the United States,” Trump said. “Period. Now we all want to get back to making America strong again.”

Many reporters, some standing on chairs, began shouting questions over the applause from the guests in attendance. But Trump, having accomplished what he wanted, took none.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/m...orsements-from-military-heroes/#ixzz4KRLdKztY




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[RabzonKhan]

The lying racist demagogue admits, without apologizing, that Pres. Obama was born in the United States, but then came up with a new lie, claiming that Hillary personally started the birther issue in 2008. Some people are beyond redemption!


Trump's 'birther' reversal: Our view

The Editorial Board September 16, 2016

Donald Trump announced he now believes President Obama was born in the United States after years of saying otherwise.

In 36 seconds on Friday, Donald Trump tried tovanquish a lie he's perpetrated for several years, namely that Barack Obama might not have been born in the United States and, by extension, was never legitimately president.

Trump touted this crackpot theory in 2011 when he flirted with running for president, and he never backed away from it. Never, that is, until Friday, when he finally conceded at a campaign event that, "President Obama was born in the United States. Period."

Trump deserves about as much credit for this ridiculously belated admission as he should get for declaring that the Earth is round or that the pope is Catholic. A true apology is in order.

Trump's bizarre obsession with this "birther" claim served not only to undermine the legitimacy of the first African-American president, but it also breathed life into a radical, bigoted fringe in the United States who could never abide such an election result. Many elements of that same fringe, known collectively today as the alt-right, are some of Trump's most ardent supporters.

But the Republican presidential candidate clearly faced a conundrum before stepping to the podium on Friday. With Obama's approval rating above 50%, and with Trump trying to demonstrate that he's not a racist, he was eager to put this messy birther business behind him as the current presidential race narrows.

So Trump offered his stark admission that the birther claim was wrong, albeit doing it in back-handed fashion, prefaced with yet a new falsehood, a claim that Hillary Clintonpersonally "started" the birther issue during her 2008 campaign.

Still, for a candidate who takes pride in never admitting error, perhaps Trump's concession Friday opens the door for him to come clean on other classic Trumpisms. He could finally abandon his claim that human-caused climate change is a "hoax." Or he could own up to the truth that he was for the Iraq war before he was against it. Or that he never saw video of thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks.

One lie down, so many to go.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Bernie Sanders Warns of the Danger of a Third-Party Vote

"Think about what the country looks like and whether you're comfortable with four years of a Trump presidency"

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has some advice for those considering casting a “protest” vote for a third-party candidate in the upcoming presidential election.

“This is not a governor’s race, it’s not a state legislative race, this is the presidency of the United States,” Sanders told the hosts of MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Friday. “And I would say to those people out there who are thinking of the protest vote, think about what the country looks like and whether you’re comfortable with four years of a Trump presidency.” Sanders, the longest serving Independent member of Congress in U.S. history, was on the show making the case for voting for his former opponent in the Democratic primary Hillary Clinton.

“Let us elect Hillary Clinton as president, and the day after, let us mobilize millions of people around the progressive agenda,” Sanders said.

After a grueling primary, Clinton and Sanders made amends in July at the Democratic National Convention, where she became the party’s presidential nominee.

When asked about Clinton’s lack of support from younger voters, a group that leaned very heavily towards Sanders in the primary, the “Democratic socialist” had more counsel.

“I would just simply say to the millennials and to anybody else, look at the issues. Don’t get hung up on Trump’s kids and whatever the story of the birther issue,” Sanders told Morning Joe. “Stay focused on the issues of relevance to your life. I think Clinton is, far and away, the superior candidate.” Link





Bernie Sanders blasts Trump birther statement: 'This is pathetic'

By David Wright, CNN

(CNN)Sen. Bernie Sanders sarcastically dismissed a statement from Donald Trump's campaign saying that the Republican nominee now believes President Barack Obama is a US citizen, arguing that the "birther" movement is about "delegitimizing the first African-American president in the history of our country."

Appearing Friday on "New Day" on CNN, Sanders offered a caustic rejection of the Trump campaign's statement, put out by spokesman Jason Miller on Thursday night.

"Well isn't that something. My word! After eight years of having President Obama as president, Donald Trump now thinks he's a legitimate president. Well I'm just overwhelmed with emotion," Sanders told CNN's Chris Cuomo.

"Look, this is pathetic. And this goes to the root of what Trump's campaign is about," said Sanders. "Let's be clear -- it's about bigotry. You remember, let's all remember, that a few years ago, Donald Trump was the leader of the so-called 'birther' movement. And what the birther movement was about was not being critical of Obama. This is democracy, we can criticize Obama. It was delegitimizing the first African-American president."

"It is not acceptable for a candidate for president of the United States to be arguing whether or not our President was born in this country."

Sanders also drew a line between Trump's role in mainstreaming the birther movement in 2012 and his presidential campaign in 2016, saying that "I think this is part of his entire campaign of bigotry" and that Trump is "trying to appeal to those extreme, extreme, extreme extremes, who still believe that Obama was not born in America."

While he mounted a vigorous primary challenge to eventual Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Sanders pressed the case for a Clinton presidency Friday and sought to woo disaffected supporters of his who remain resistant her.

"Please, anybody who supports me -- do not think that Donald Trump in any way, shape or form reflects the point of view that I have," he said. Noting Trump's ability to dominate news cycles, Sanders said, "Don't worry about what CNN has on the air -- worry about your own lives, which candidate issue after issue after issue is better. And I think the answer is by far Hillary Clinton."

Sanders also presented the 2016 election as a stark choice, and accused Trump of lacking core beliefs.
"Either Hillary Clinton is going to become president or Donald Trump is going to become president. And I'm going to work as hard as I can to prevent Trump from becoming president," he said.

"Now, I ran against Clinton for a year. Of course my views are different than Clinton's on many issues. No question about it. The problem is Trump -- we don't know what he stands for. I can criticize Hillary Clinton for this, that, and the other thing. Trump literally changes his views every other day." Link

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Can't be possibly worse then Obama and Bush combined, 70 Billion aid to Israel lol

This system used in US is like Good cop and bad cop

They both pretend to be good / bad , but they are both working for Israel their Master

People think they are voting for a chance but they all work for same master

 

[RabzonKhan]

Can't be possibly worse then Obama and Bush combined, 70 Billion aid to Israel lol

This system used in US is like Good cop and bad cop

They both pretend to be good / bad , but they are both working for Israel their Master

People think they are voting for a chance but they all work for same master

You really hate Israel, don’t you!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I just feel the American people need to spend their money on their own population, I am not sure who Israel is

 

[LA se Karachi]

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Bernie Sanders Warns of the Danger of a Third-Party Vote

"Think about what the country looks like and whether you're comfortable with four years of a Trump presidency"

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has some advice for those considering casting a “protest” vote for a third-party candidate in the upcoming presidential election.

“This is not a governor’s race, it’s not a state legislative race, this is the presidency of the United States,” Sanders told the hosts of MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Friday. “And I would say to those people out there who are thinking of the protest vote, think about what the country looks like and whether you’re comfortable with four years of a Trump presidency.” Sanders, the longest serving Independent member of Congress in U.S. history, was on the show making the case for voting for his former opponent in the Democratic primary Hillary Clinton.

“Let us elect Hillary Clinton as president, and the day after, let us mobilize millions of people around the progressive agenda,” Sanders said.

After a grueling primary, Clinton and Sanders made amends in July at the Democratic National Convention, where she became the party’s presidential nominee.

When asked about Clinton’s lack of support from younger voters, a group that leaned very heavily towards Sanders in the primary, the “Democratic socialist” had more counsel.

“I would just simply say to the millennials and to anybody else, look at the issues. Don’t get hung up on Trump’s kids and whatever the story of the birther issue,” Sanders told Morning Joe. “Stay focused on the issues of relevance to your life. I think Clinton is, far and away, the superior candidate.” Link





Bernie Sanders blasts Trump birther statement: 'This is pathetic'

By David Wright, CNN

(CNN)Sen. Bernie Sanders sarcastically dismissed a statement from Donald Trump's campaign saying that the Republican nominee now believes President Barack Obama is a US citizen, arguing that the "birther" movement is about "delegitimizing the first African-American president in the history of our country."

Appearing Friday on "New Day" on CNN, Sanders offered a caustic rejection of the Trump campaign's statement, put out by spokesman Jason Miller on Thursday night.

"Well isn't that something. My word! After eight years of having President Obama as president, Donald Trump now thinks he's a legitimate president. Well I'm just overwhelmed with emotion," Sanders told CNN's Chris Cuomo.

"Look, this is pathetic. And this goes to the root of what Trump's campaign is about," said Sanders. "Let's be clear -- it's about bigotry. You remember, let's all remember, that a few years ago, Donald Trump was the leader of the so-called 'birther' movement. And what the birther movement was about was not being critical of Obama. This is democracy, we can criticize Obama. It was delegitimizing the first African-American president."

"It is not acceptable for a candidate for president of the United States to be arguing whether or not our President was born in this country."

Sanders also drew a line between Trump's role in mainstreaming the birther movement in 2012 and his presidential campaign in 2016, saying that "I think this is part of his entire campaign of bigotry" and that Trump is "trying to appeal to those extreme, extreme, extreme extremes, who still believe that Obama was not born in America."

While he mounted a vigorous primary challenge to eventual Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Sanders pressed the case for a Clinton presidency Friday and sought to woo disaffected supporters of his who remain resistant her.

"Please, anybody who supports me -- do not think that Donald Trump in any way, shape or form reflects the point of view that I have," he said. Noting Trump's ability to dominate news cycles, Sanders said, "Don't worry about what CNN has on the air -- worry about your own lives, which candidate issue after issue after issue is better. And I think the answer is by far Hillary Clinton."

Sanders also presented the 2016 election as a stark choice, and accused Trump of lacking core beliefs.
"Either Hillary Clinton is going to become president or Donald Trump is going to become president. And I'm going to work as hard as I can to prevent Trump from becoming president," he said.

"Now, I ran against Clinton for a year. Of course my views are different than Clinton's on many issues. No question about it. The problem is Trump -- we don't know what he stands for. I can criticize Hillary Clinton for this, that, and the other thing. Trump literally changes his views every other day." Link

Both candidates are terrible. I personally will not contribute in any way to the election of either. I refuse to be held accountable for their actions as President. I don't want blood on my hands. Maybe people will actually turn out to vote and will pay attention to general election polls before voting in future primary elections.

If Hillary becomes President, she will do a terrible job on economic issues for the middle and working class. The rich will capture most of the income growth in this country yet again (as they have done since the 1980s/1990s). The Democratic Party at-large will be left holding the bag. A bad Democratic President can do more damage long-term than a bad Republican President.

We had a candidate that would have won by a significant margin and would have had long coattails for down-ballot candidates across the country, not just in "blue" states or districts. You people chose the other one. Hillary got about 55% of elected delegates. A terrible number considering the circumstances. But she "won" nonetheless.

You reap what you sow.

 

[ptldM3]

The lying racist demagogue admits, without apologizing, that Pres. Obama was born in the United States, but then came up with a new lie, claiming that Hillary personally started the birther issue in 2008. Some people are beyond redemption!


Trump's 'birther' reversal: Our view

The Editorial Board September 16, 2016

Donald Trump announced he now believes President Obama was born in the United States after years of saying otherwise.

In 36 seconds on Friday, Donald Trump tried tovanquish a lie he's perpetrated for several years, namely that Barack Obama might not have been born in the United States and, by extension, was never legitimately president.

Trump touted this crackpot theory in 2011 when he flirted with running for president, and he never backed away from it. Never, that is, until Friday, when he finally conceded at a campaign event that, "President Obama was born in the United States. Period."

Trump deserves about as much credit for this ridiculously belated admission as he should get for declaring that the Earth is round or that the pope is Catholic. A true apology is in order.

Trump's bizarre obsession with this "birther" claim served not only to undermine the legitimacy of the first African-American president, but it also breathed life into a radical, bigoted fringe in the United States who could never abide such an election result. Many elements of that same fringe, known collectively today as the alt-right, are some of Trump's most ardent supporters.

But the Republican presidential candidate clearly faced a conundrum before stepping to the podium on Friday. With Obama's approval rating above 50%, and with Trump trying to demonstrate that he's not a racist, he was eager to put this messy birther business behind him as the current presidential race narrows.

So Trump offered his stark admission that the birther claim was wrong, albeit doing it in back-handed fashion, prefaced with yet a new falsehood, a claim that Hillary Clintonpersonally "started" the birther issue during her 2008 campaign.

Still, for a candidate who takes pride in never admitting error, perhaps Trump's concession Friday opens the door for him to come clean on other classic Trumpisms. He could finally abandon his claim that human-caused climate change is a "hoax." Or he could own up to the truth that he was for the Iraq war before he was against it. Or that he never saw video of thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks.

One lie down, so many to go.

Trump is a lying racist? Come up with something new. Screaming "racist" doesn't help your cause especially when there is zero evidence to support your claims. Is it any wounder you could not rebuke me when I fact checked you? Key word, fact, notice none of your "racist" claims have any credence, they are so out of touch with reality that you should be ashamed of yourself. We already have proof that it's you that is racist, like I said before it's comical that Hilary supporters call trump racist when they are the ones throwing racial slurs around.

Speaking of lying, almost every claim Hilary has made about the email scandal has been a lie according to the FBI. She lied about Bengazi, heck she even lies about trivial matters, she is a pathological liar/unstable warmonger.

But I can take it further, unlike your "trump is racist" claims which are out of touch with reality, Hilary spoke about a former powerful KKK leader and called him a great man.

It's also funny how she demonizes Russia, and tries to bring Russia into everything, great tactic on her part by deflecting attention away from herself. In anycase she only has great things to say about the Saudis, the same people that descriminat against all religions other then Islam (churches and temples are illegal in Saudi Arabia), people that leave Islam are beheaded, gays are beheaded, women have no rights, ect, ect.

Yet in Russia there isn't even a death penalty, women have full rights, no one cares about your religion or if you chose to leave or convert from a religion,ect....but you know Hilary, the only thing that comes out of her mouth is .......BUT RUSSIAAAA......

 

[Dr Parody]

Trump is a lying racist? Come up with something new. Screaming "racist" doesn't help your cause especially when there is zero evidence to support your claims. Is it any wounder you could not rebuke me when I fact checked you? Key word, fact, notice none of your "racist" claims have any credence, they are so out of touch with reality that you should be ashamed of yourself. We already have proof that it's you that is racist, like I said before it's comical that Hilary supporters call trump racist when they are the ones throwing racial slurs around.

Speaking of lying, almost every claim Hilary has made about the email scandal has been a lie according to the FBI. She lied about Bengazi, heck she even lies about trivial matters, she is a pathological liar/unstable warmonger.

But I can take it further, unlike your "trump is racist" claims which are out of touch with reality, Hilary spoke about a former powerful KKK leader and called him a great man.

It's also funny how she demonizes Russia, and tries to bring Russia into everything, great tactic on her part by deflecting attention away from herself. In anycase she only has great things to say about the Saudis, the same people that descriminat against all religions other then Islam (churches and temples are illegal in Saudi Arabia), people that leave Islam are beheaded, gays are beheaded, women have no rights, ect, ect.

Yet in Russia there isn't even a death penalty, women have full rights, no one cares about your religion or if you chose to leave or convert from a religion,ect....but you know Hilary, the only thing that comes out of her mouth is .......BUT RUSSIAAAA......

I may not be a "Hillary supporter", but I will not put my money on a man like Trump. He calls Mexicans "rapists", "criminals" and Muslims "terrorists". If that doesn't prove that he's racist, I do not know what will

Everyone is sent in this world for a reason; a mission that they are bound to complete. Of course, when it comes for our friend Mr Trump, he was sent here to revive the Fascist movement. There is any end to everything; for socialism it is communism and for capitalism, the only sensible end is Fascism. In other words, capitalism always leads to extremist rightists movements or "Ultra-Nationalism". Trump is the manifestation of Ultra Nationalism at its greatest extent

As for Hillary, I see no difference between her and Trump. Both are going to cause chaos and anarchy in their own right

 

[ptldM3]

I may not be a "Hillary supporter", but I will not put my money on a man like Trump. He calls Mexicans "rapists", "criminals" and Muslims "terrorists". If that doesn't prove that he's racist, I do not know what will

Everyone is sent in this world for a reason; a mission that they are bound to complete. Of course, when it comes for our friend Mr Trump, he was sent here to revive the Fascist movement. There is any end to everything; for socialism it is communism and for capitalism, the only sensible end is Fascism. In other words, capitalism always leads to extremist rightists movements or "Ultra-Nationalism". Trump is the manifestation of Ultra Nationalism at its greatest extent

Have you ever even listen to his full speeches? Clearly not, everyone that pulls the "Trump is racist" card are feeding off of the hysteria of other equally ignorant people.

If you listened to his speech he called a sub-group of illegals, rapist, murders, ect. He never classified all Mexicans as those things, in fact, he actually said he assumes there are good people that cross from Mexico ILLEGALLY. But many of the people that cross from Mexico illegally are criminals because they would never make it in legally and they do bring in drugs and crime.

Look at the massive strain drug addicts put on economies, they steal billions from stores (cause prices to go up) they rob people, they rob and even sometimes kill family if they are desperate, they don't work, they collect government benefits, ect. The cartels in Mexico have killed thousands, they behead people including children, with knives and even chainsaws, they skin people alive, they burn people, ect. Same level as ISIS, and Trump is racist for calling these people murderers?

What world do you live in?

 

[Desert Fox]

The lying racist demagogue

Cheers:

Trump Leading Hillary By 6 Points In Latest Polls

He calls Mexicans "rapists", "criminals" and Muslims "terrorists". If that doesn't prove that he's racist, I do not know what will

Number one: Mexicans and Muslims aren't a race.

Number two: Trump never generalized all of those groups of people under the category of "terrorists" and "rapists".

If only you actually cared to listen to his entire speeches instead of listening to those who quote Trump out of context for political purposes.

 

[Desert Fox]

Hillary Clinton Campaign Stealing From Poorest Donors
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Wells Fargo fraud department inundated with calls from low-income Clinton supporters reporting repeated unauthorized charges


By Liz Crokin • 09/15/16 2:35pm

Hillary for America processed a total of $94 in unauthorized charges to Carol Mahre’s
US Bank account. This follows a pattern in which unwitting donors are charged multiple
times,but always for a total of less than $100, which is a key triggerpoint for banks’
internal action systems. Photo: Courtesy Carol Mahre
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Hillary Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by purposefully and repeatedly overcharging them after they make what’s supposed to be a one-time small donation through her official campaign website, multiple sources tell the Observer.

The overcharges are occurring so often that the fraud department at one of the nation’s biggest banks receives up to 100 phone calls a day from Clinton’s small donors asking for refunds for unauthorized charges to their bankcards made by Clinton’s campaign. One elderly Clinton donor, who has been a victim of this fraud scheme, has filed a complaint with her state’s attorney general and a representative from the office told her that they had forwarded her case to the Federal Election Commission.

“We get up to a hundred calls a day from Hillary’s low-income supporters complaining about multiple unauthorized charges,” a source, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of job security, from the Wells Fargo fraud department told the Observer. The source claims that the Clinton campaign has been pulling this stunt since Spring of this year. The Hillary for America campaign will overcharge small donors by repeatedly charging small amounts such as $20 to the bankcards of donors who made a one-time donation. However, the Clinton campaign strategically doesn’t overcharge these donors $100 or more because the bank would then be obligated to investigate the fraud.

“We don’t investigate fraudulent charges unless they are over $100,” the fraud specialist explained. “The Clinton campaign knows this, that’s why we don’t see any charges over the $100 amount, they’ll stop the charges just below $100. We’ll see her campaign overcharge donors by $20, $40 or $60 but never more than $100.” The source, who has worked for Wells Fargo for over 10 years, said that the total amount they refund customers on a daily basis who have been overcharged by Clinton’s campaign “varies” but the bank usually issues refunds that total between $700 and $1,200 per day.

The fraud specialist said that Clinton donors who call in will attempt to resolve the issue with the campaign first but they never get anywhere. “They will call the Clinton campaign to get their refund and the issue never gets resolved. So they call us and we just issue the refund. The Clinton campaign knows these charges are small potatoes and that we’ll just refund the money back.”

The source said that pornography companies often deploy a similar arrangement pull. “We see this same scheme with a lot of seedy **** companies,” the source said. The source also notes that the dozens of phone calls his department receives daily are from people who notice the fraudulent charges on their statements. “The people who call us are just the ones who catch the fraudulent charges. I can’t imagine how many more people are getting overcharged by Hillary’s campaign and they have no idea.”

The source said he’s apolitical but noted that the bank’s fraud department is yet to receive one call from a Donald Trump supporter claiming to have been overcharged by Trump’s campaign. “I’m only talking to you because what Hillary’s doing is so messed up, she’s stealing from her poorest supporters.”

Carol Mahre has been charged multiple times after signing up for a one-time donation. Her son, Roger Mahre, is an attorney who filed a complaint with Minnesota’s attorney general. Photo: Courtesy Carol Mahre

Wells Fargo recently came under fire after news broke that various regulators fined the big bank $185 million for opening 2 million phony customer accounts without their customers’ permission. This massive scandal resulted in the firing of 5,300 Wells Fargo employees.

Carol Mahre, an 81-year-old grandmother of seven from Minnesota, is one of the victims of Clinton’s campaign donor fraud scandal. In March, Mahre said she made a one-time $25 donation via Clinton’s official campaign website. However, when she received her U.S. Bank card statement, she noticed multiple $25 charges were made. Mahre, who said in an interview she only contributed $25 because she’s “not rich” and that’s all she could afford, contacted her son, Roger Mahre, to help her dispute the unauthorized charges.

Roger, who is an attorney, told the Observer that he called the Clinton campaign dozens of times in April and early May in an attempt to resolve the issue. “It took me at least 40 to 50 phone calls to the campaign office before I finally got ahold of someone,” Roger said. “After I got a campaign worker on the phone, she said they would stop making the charges.”

Incredibly, the very next day, Carol’s card was charged yet again and the campaign had never reversed the initial fraudulent charges. “I was told they would stop charging my mother’s card but they never stopped.” He added that he knows his mother did not sign up for recurring payments. “She’s very good with the internet so I know she only made a one-time payment.” Roger also pointed out that even if his mother mistakenly signed up for recurring monthly payments then she should’ve been charged for the same amount of money each month, not multiple charges for varying amounts on the same day or in the same month. Furthermore, Roger said that after the campaign was made aware of this situation, the charges should’ve stopped but they never did.

The Clinton campaign overcharged Carol $25 three times and then overcharged her one time for $19, a grand total of $94 in fraudulent charges. The campaign’s overcharges to Carol were just a few dollars short of $100. This is in line with what the Wells Fargo bank source revealed to the Observer.

Since the campaign failed to amend the problem for Carol, Roger contacted her bank, U.S. Bank. However, he ran into problems when he asked U.S. Bank to refund his mother’s money. Roger told the Observer that the bank would not reverse the charges and that a bank spokesperson told him that they had no control over companies that make unauthorized charges. At that point, Roger decided to contact his local news and filed a fraud complaint with Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson’s office on behalf of his mother. After local TV news Kare 11 ran a story, someone from U.S. Bank contacted Roger the next day and said that they had reversed and stopped the charges to his mother’s card.

A representative from Minnesota’s Democratic attorney general’s office told Roger that this problem wasn’t in their jurisdiction and that they had forwarded the case to the FEC. However, FEC spokesperson Julia Queen told the Observer they have no record of the case. “We don’t have it,” Queen said. The Observer contacted Swanson’s office and did not hear back.

Roger did eventually get a letter from a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign. In the letter, the lawyer wrote that his mother would be removed from their donor list; however, the campaign did not take any responsibility for the fraudulent charges.

“They basically said that they weren’t accepting responsibility for this but they’d remove my mom from the donor list,” he said. Roger is less than happy with the way the Clinton campaign has handled this nightmare for him and his mother. “This is a load of crap!” Mahre said. “The self-righteousness of politicians drives me insane. If you and I did this, we’d be thrown in jail. This is theft, fraud or wire fraud—it’s a federal crime!”

Since Carol’s story became public, Roger said he’s heard from other people who have been ripped off by the Clinton campaign. “I’ve heard this is happening to other small donors,” Roger said. “People will donate $25, but then when they receive their credit card statement, they are charged $25 multiple times.”

The incident hasn’t just left a bad taste in Roger’s mouth. Carol decided she’s not going to vote for Hillary even though she’s voted for the Democratic presidential nominee every election since President Dwight Eisenhower won reelection in 1956. “My mother is a lifelong Democrat and she’s voted every election in her life for a Democrat but she’s not going to vote for Hillary,” Roger said.

The New York Times reported in 2007 that Clinton’s first presidential campaign had to refund and subtract hundreds of thousands of dollars from its first-quarter total often because donors’ credit cards were charged twice. Additionally, it was reported that Clinton had to refund a stunning $2.8 million in donations, three times more than the $900K President Barack Obama’s campaign refunded.

Another bank source told the Observer that Clinton’s motivation in purposefully overcharging donors is not only to rake in more money for her campaign but also to inflate her small donor numbers reported to the FEC. “This gives a false impression about how much money Clinton has raised,” the source said. “The money that the bank has refunded would not be reflected in the FEC filings till after the election. This gives off the illusion to the public that her support and the amount she’s raised is much greater than what it is in reality.”

A Clinton campaign worker named Kathy Callahan, who worked on Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2008, claimed in a blog post that Clinton fraudulently overcharged her by several thousand dollars. She wrote that she voluntarily left the campaign’s finance committee after she discovered $3,000 in unauthorized charges made by Clinton’s campaign to her Visa card. Callahan said the unauthorized charges caused $400 in overdraft and bank charges and put Callahan over the legal donor limit. Callahan said that after a month of “begging and pleading,” she wasn’t able to get her money back until she threatened to go to authorities. However, when she was finally refunded her money the Clinton campaign refused to compensate her for the $400 in overdraft and bank charges.

Callahan also wrote that Matt McQueeney, who worked in the compliance and accounting department at Clinton’s campaign headquarters at the time, told her, “What happened to you with credit card errors is happening to others.” McQueeney reportedly parted ways with the Clinton campaign shortly after this incident occurred. Backing up what McQueeney claimed, there were several incidents similar to Callahan’s reported in 2008. Callahan and McQueeney could not be reached for comment.

In 2001, the Clintons were accused of attempting to steal items donated to the White House during Bill’s presidency as he exited office. There was $190,000 worth of gifts in question that the Clintons shipped to their then new estate in Chappaqua, New York. Multiple donors said that they had understood that the items they had donated during Clinton’s presidency were to stay in the White House as part of the 1993 White House redecoration project. Initially, the Clintons claimed that the items in question were given to them prior to President Clinton taking office; however, government records proved otherwise. Facing strong criticism, the Clintons decided to return several items including $28,500 in furnishings and they paid $86,000 for other gifts.

Murmurs of theft are nothing new to the Clintons. In 2001, the Clintons were accused of attempting to steal items donated to the White House during Bill’s presidency as he exited office, including $190,000 worth of gifts in question that the Clintons shipped to their new estate in Chappaqua, New York. But Bill begs to differ.

He recently compared himself to Robin Hood and said that through their foundation he asks people with money to give to people who don’t have money. In reality, the Clintons steal from people who have little money and they’re robbing some of Hillary’s most impoverished supporters—including a poor elderly grandma—to fund her campaign.

for @RabzonKhan

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We had a candidate that would have won by a significant margin and would have had long coattails for down-ballot candidates across the country, not just in "blue" states or districts. You people chose the other one. Hillary got about 55% of elected delegates. A terrible number considering the circumstances. But she "won" nonetheless.

You reap what you sow.

Agree, they really blew it with the Sanders steal. I imagine Trump would have struggled a lot more vs him than he is vs crooked hillary, where in fact he's not even struggling anymore, not only has he caught up, he's surging big league.



master of optics he's pulling their strings*

(+1000 internets to anyone who gets that reference)