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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/opinion/trump-iran-war.html


LAWRENCE WILKERSON FEB. 5, 2018


Fifteen years ago this week, Colin Powell, then the secretary of state, spoke at the United Nations to sell pre-emptive war with Iraq. As his chief of staff, I helped Secretary Powell paint a clear picture that war was the only choice, that when “we confront a regime that harbors ambitions for regional domination, hides weapons of mass destruction and provides haven and active support for terrorists, we are not confronting the past, we are confronting the present. And unless we act, we are confronting an even more frightening future.”

Following Mr. Powell’s presentation on that cold day, I considered what we had done. At the moment, I thought all our work was for naught — and despite his efforts we did not gain substantial international buy-in. But polls later that day and week demonstrated he did convince many Americans. I knew that was why he was chosen to make the presentation in the first place: his standing with the American people was more solid than that of any other member of the Bush administration.

President George W. Bush would have ordered the war even without the United Nations presentation, or if Secretary Powell had failed miserably in giving it. But the secretary’s gravitas was a significant part of the two-year-long effort by the Bush administration to get Americans on the war wagon.

That effort led to a war of choice with Iraq — one that resulted in catastrophic losses for the region and the United States-led coalition, and that destabilized the entire Middle East.

This should not be forgotten, since the Trump administration is using much the same playbook to create a false impression that war is the only way to address the threats posed by Iran.

Just over a month ago, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, said that the administration had “undeniable” evidence that Iran was not complying with Security Council resolutions regarding its ballistic missile program and Yemen. Just like Mr. Powell, Ms. Haley showed satellite images and other physical evidence available only to the United States intelligence community to prove her case. But the evidence fell significantly short.

It’s astonishing how similar that moment was to Mr. Powell’s 2003 presentation on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction — and how the Trump administration’s methods overall match those of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. As I watched Ms. Haley at the Defense Intelligence Agency, I wanted to play the video of Mr. Powell on the wall behind her, so that Americans could recognize instantly how they were being driven down the same path as in 2003 — ultimately to war. Only this war with Iran, a country of almost 80 million people whose vast strategic depth and difficult terrain make it a far greater challenge than Iraq, would be 10 to 15 times worse than the Iraq war in terms of casualties and costs.

If we want a slightly more official statement of the Trump administration’s plans for Iran, we need only look at the recently released National Security Strategy, which says, “The longer we ignore threats from countries determined to proliferate and develop weapons of mass destruction, the worse such threats become, and the fewer defensive options we have.” The Bush-Cheney team could not have said it better as it contemplated invading Iraq.

The strategy positions Iran as one of the greatest threats America faces, much the same way President Bush framed Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. With China, Russia and North Korea all presenting vastly more formidable challenges to America and its allies than Iran, one has to wonder where the Trump team gets its ideas.

Though Ms. Haley’s presentation missed the mark, and no one other than the national security elite will even read the strategy, it won’t matter. We’ve seen this before: a campaign built on the politicization of intelligence and shortsighted policy decisions to make the case for war. And the American people have apparently become so accustomed to executive branch warmongering — approved almost unanimously by the Congress — that such actions are not significantly contested.

So far, news organizations have largely failed to refute false narratives coming out of the Trump White House on Iran. In early November, news outlets latched onto claims by unnamed American officials that newly released documents from Osama bin Laden’s compound represented “evidence of Iran’s support of Al Qaeda’s war with the United States.”

It’s a vivid reminder of Vice President Cheney’s desperate attempts in 2002-03 to conjure up evidence of Saddam Hussein’s relationship with Al Qaeda from detainees at Guantánamo Bay. It harks back to the C.I.A. director George Tenet’s assurances to Mr. Powell that the connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden was ironclad in the lead-up to his United Nations presentation. Today, we know how terribly wrong Mr. Tenet was.

Today, the analysts claiming close ties between Al Qaeda and Iran come from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which vehemently opposes the Iran nuclear deal and unabashedly calls for regime change in Iran.

It seems not to matter that 15 of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11 were Saudis and none were Iranians. Or that, according to the United States intelligence community, of the groups listed as actively hostile to the United States, only one is loosely affiliated with Iran, and Hezbollah doesn’t make the cut. More than ever the Foundation for Defense of Democracies seems like the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans that pushed falsehoods in support of waging war with Iraq.

The Trump administration’s case for war with Iran ranges much wider than Ms. Haley’s work. We should include the president’s decertification ultimatum in January that Congress must “fix” the Iran nuclear deal, despite the reality of Iran’s compliance; the White House’s pressure on the intelligence community to cook up evidence of Iran’s noncompliance; and the administration’s choosing to view the recent protests in Iran as the beginning of regime change. Like the Bush administration before, these seemingly disconnected events serve to create a narrative in which war with Iran is the only viable policy.

As I look back at our lock-step march toward war with Iraq, I realize that it didn’t seem to matter to us that we used shoddy or cherry-picked intelligence; that it was unrealistic to argue that the war would “pay for itself,” rather than cost trillions of dollars; that we might be hopelessly naïve in thinking that the war would lead to democracy instead of pushing the region into a downward spiral.

The sole purpose of our actions was to sell the American people on the case for war with Iraq. Polls show that we did. Mr. Trump and his team are trying to do it again. If we’re not careful, they’ll succeed.

Correction: February 5, 2018

An earlier version of this article included outdated information about the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. Sheldon Adelson is no longer a donor to the organization.

Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel who teaches at the College of William & Mary, was chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell from 2002 to 2005.
 
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Important question for us is where does this leave India?

Also this attack may be the closest thing coming to trigger WW3 ever in human history. Bigger than the Cuban Crisis.
 
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US is planning a war with Iran by manufacturing evidence.

Pakistan should not be complacent. We can be next. This is the reason US is in Afghanistan. To destroy and estabilize the region. It is not a power for peace but for mischief and evil.

Since US is planning war with Iran, you see Saudi Arabia getting chummy with Trump. It was thus that the first meeting between Saudis and Trump left Saudis with such glee and wide smiles not even fitting their faces. Saudis are biggest hypocrites.
 
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US been planing war against Iran for the past decade and more.

How long does it take to plan a war exactly?
 
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Too much political drama from super doping of America

There is an actual scenario about this war, in the first days hours of a possible conflict, American bases within almost 5,000 Km range will be leveled to dust. Thousands of American soldiers will die afterwards

Israel will not exist, and it's ensured by IRGC in both land invasion and ballistic attacks.

Petrodollar will collapse immediately and China will take over global currency market. All of oil fields sending oil to Petrodollar dominated companies, will be bombed and as a result USA with 20 trillion $, will lose it's leverage on other countries which would yield in collapse of USA's economy

Due to distance b/n Iran and USA geographically, USA cannot support it's forces in sea and on the land. USA's allies in the middle east are mostly tyrant kingdoms that their people are fed up with their tyrannical kingdoms, so revolution would take place in those countries and USA won't be able to use their lands against Iran.

The only way for US will remain ballistic attacks, Iran is also capable of targeting US main land with ballistics missiles however conventionally. Iran's nuclear capabilities is something that puts USA's nuclear safety under question so USA attacks Iran when it wants to be destroyed economically and militarily.
 
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US been planing war against Iran for the past decade and more.

How long does it take to plan a war exactly?
Saddam Hussein was in the spotlight all these years. Now that his chapter is closed, road towards Iran is finally open.

Unfortunately, Muslims are split over geopolitical and ideological grounds and US is able to exploit these fissures for its ends from time-to-time. There are several countries in the Middle East who would support US in this endeavor.
 
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Dont be naive. The current US is no more the superpower of 20years ago who can wage any war against any countries. American are wary of the consequences after disastrous of the iraq invasion in 2003. That war wipe out US fortune and claim so many American lives unnecessary. Why Obama pull out soldier from Afghanistan? Will American be stupid enough to fall into another Iraq threat scheme?

USA is now only talking, waging war is out of question for a declining nation. US is another Soviet Union in the making.
 
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Dont be naive. The current US is no more the superpower of 20years ago who can wage any war against any countries. American are wary of the consequences after disastrous of the iraq invasion in 2003. That war wipe out US fortune and claim so many American lives unnecessary. Why Obama pull out soldier from Afghanistan? Will American be stupid enough to fall into another Iraq threat scheme?

USA is now only talking, waging war is out of question for a declining nation. US is another Soviet Union in the making.
US has conducted several military operations under the cover of its so-called War On Terror since 2001; Operation Enduring Freedom for [regime-change] in Afghanistan, Operation Iraqi Freedom for [regime-change] in Iraq, Operation Odyssey Dawn for [regime-change] in Libya, Operation Inherent Resolve to [crush ISIS] across Iraq and Syria, and is nowhere close to battle fatigue. In-fact, US has commenced a new operation in Afghanistan, and is also preparing for a war with North Korea. A major beneficiary of these developments is the vast American Military Industrial Complex* which has created many jobs, stimulated research and development and continue to earn huge bucks through sales of weapons and consumer goods - a phenomenon known as "war profiteering."

*This complex encompass several multi-billion dollar corporations such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing Company, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General Dynamics, United Technologies, Science Applications International Corporation, TRW, Health Net, Inc. and L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc. - some of these are household names actually.

US and USSR have nothing in common; American economy is relatively too huge and diverse, and its industrial complex too vast. USSR failed because its socialistic economic model was not sustainable in the long-term and it prioritized a costly arms-race with the US over well-being of its citizenry. American defense budget, although huge in absolute terms, is not at the expense of well-being of its citizenry.

Iran has dodged a bullet by striking a deal with the US in regards to its nuclear program in 2015. However, with Saddam Hussein no longer in the picture, Iran needs to tread carefully for indefinite period.
 
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...Just over a month ago, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, said that the administration had “undeniable” evidence that Iran was not complying with Security Council resolutions regarding its ballistic missile program and Yemen. Just like Mr. Powell, Ms. Haley showed satellite images and other physical evidence available only to the United States intelligence community -
Gee, Mr. Wilkerson, I seem to recall that the U.S. didn't possess physical evidence in 2002 and almost all the human intelligence then was provided by allies or sources had been prepped by anti-Saddam opposition groups first.

Just because you made an error in judging WMDs in Saddam's Iraq to be a "slam-dunk" sure thing, doesn't mean the same mistake is being made by others today. Just as WWI could have been avoided had the French and Germans each been more devoted to peace, but WWII was not because Hitler was devoted to nothing less than the domination of Europe, much as Iran's mullahs demonstrably seek to establish their hegemony over the Middle East today through proxies and the development of their own mass-destruction options.
 
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Gee, Mr. Wilkerson, I seem to recall that the U.S. didn't possess physical evidence in 2002 and almost all the human intelligence then was provided by allies or sources had been prepped by anti-Saddam opposition groups first.

Just because you made an error in judging WMDs in Saddam's Iraq to be a "slam-dunk" sure thing, doesn't mean the same mistake is being made by others today. Just as WWI could have been avoided had the French and Germans each been more devoted to peace, but WWII was not because Hitler was devoted to nothing less than the domination of Europe, much as Iran's mullahs demonstrably seek to establish their hegemony over the Middle East today through proxies and the development of their own mass-destruction options.

Your opposition to anyone who compares that Iraq misadventure with the promise of an upcoming misadventure with Iran is expected. You are of course very pro-Israel, and nobody wants war with Iran more than Israel and its supporters among in the US, especially the lunatic right wing.
 
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Your opposition to anyone who compares that Iraq misadventure with the promise of an upcoming misadventure with Iran is expected. You are of course very pro-Israel, and nobody wants war with Iran more than Israel and its supporters among in the US, especially the lunatic right wing.
That's an ad hominem attack, not a refutation of anything I wrote.
 
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That's an ad hominem attack, not a refutation of anything I wrote.

There's nothing there worth refuting, madness led the US into Iraq, you'll excuse us if we suggest it's madness among those that would ask the same be inflicted upon Iran.
 
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Important question for us is where does this leave India?

Also this attack may be the closest thing coming to trigger WW3 ever in human history. Bigger than the Cuban Crisis.
LMAO and how on earth it will trigger ww3? Who will jump into fight against usa and NATO?
China? No
Russia? No
Pakistan? No

Iran is too irrelevant for anyone to fight for it against usa. Did a ww3 started when usa invaded iraq?

Too much political drama from super doping of America

There is an actual scenario about this war, in the first days hours of a possible conflict, American bases within almost 5,000 Km range will be leveled to dust. Thousands of American soldiers will die afterwards

Israel will not exist, and it's ensured by IRGC in both land invasion and ballistic attacks.

Petrodollar will collapse immediately and China will take over global currency market. All of oil fields sending oil to Petrodollar dominated companies, will be bombed and as a result USA with 20 trillion $, will lose it's leverage on other countries which would yield in collapse of USA's economy

Due to distance b/n Iran and USA geographically, USA cannot support it's forces in sea and on the land. USA's allies in the middle east are mostly tyrant kingdoms that their people are fed up with their tyrannical kingdoms, so revolution would take place in those countries and USA won't be able to use their lands against Iran.

The only way for US will remain ballistic attacks, Iran is also capable of targeting US main land with ballistics missiles however conventionally. Iran's nuclear capabilities is something that puts USA's nuclear safety under question so USA attacks Iran when it wants to be destroyed economically and militarily.

LMAO a gem of a post. So according to u if usa will attack iran , Iran will fire ballistic missiles at israel, and iranian missiles will wipe out israel and israelis weapons are there for decoration and they will never use their nukes.

Then u plan that iran will bomb all mid eastern gcc states and their oilfields Lmao and will attack usa airbases

And this line is best specially bold part
"USA's allies in the middle east are mostly tyrant kingdoms that their people are fed up with their tyrannical kingdoms, so revolution would take place in those countries and USA won't be able to use their lands against Iran. "
Loud clap for u.

On topic usa will never attack iran if she wanted to she would have done it already. Unless usa doesnt wipe out sunni muslim world she wont touch iran cause irans hegemonic plans had aided usa in destorying mid east and sunni lands. Unless sunni states threats arent neutralized , iran wont be touched.
 
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Gee, Mr. Wilkerson, I seem to recall that the U.S. didn't possess physical evidence in 2002 and almost all the human intelligence then was provided by allies or sources had been prepped by anti-Saddam opposition groups first.

Just because you made an error in judging WMDs in Saddam's Iraq to be a "slam-dunk" sure thing, doesn't mean the same mistake is being made by others today. Just as WWI could have been avoided had the French and Germans each been more devoted to peace, but WWII was not because Hitler was devoted to nothing less than the domination of Europe, much as Iran's mullahs demonstrably seek to establish their hegemony over the Middle East today through proxies and the development of their own mass-destruction options.

A Mistake which Caused Death of 500,000 people .. You call it a mistake ..?
Well maybe not 500000 americans but some will pay for those heinous crimes..Karma is a Bitch.. By attacking on Iran this looks certain atleast for their poor soldiers and for their illegal child around middle east..Mistake ur @$$ :disagree: ..
Things like these and people like you, preaching war on soverign countries make me Thank Hitler. who did a great service to humanity by roasting the likes of you ..
 
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