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US - Pakistan Trust Deficit and the War on Terror - Part 1

Sir,

It is about time that you took responsibility of your actions as well. You cannot blame one party all the time. You had the opportunity---You were presented the opportunity on a golden platter---and yet you wasted the opportunity like there was no tomorrow.

You wasted the opportunity by favoring thugs and murderers and criminals over your motherland Pakistan. Even though these criminals were doing killing and spreading terror in the communities---you never admitted that they would do that. You always chose to blame the hidden hand----.

Here---the enemy of the State of Pakistan is a Pakistani civilian---and I can understand the ISI general writing that article in he manner that he has written in----but the truth is---that until and unless Pakistanis are not put to shame on a national level---and made to own up to their blunders---we will always have problems.

Jhungary----you have no clue how illiterate an educated Pakistani is---. The whole of the nation lives on an ideology---" if it has not happened to me---it does not exist---if I do not know about it---I am not going to believe in it ." It has taken them 10 plus years just to accept that there are terrorists ready to destroy the country---and still there are many around---who---out of fear or other reasons---would rather have friends with the terrorists

@Slav Defence ----it was not a matter of whom we have a relationship----the problem is that of a commitment level. The problem was not knowing how to move forward with it. Pakistan wanted to play in the big boys club----but did not even have the ability to play in its own league. Where---there needed a maturity, confidence building, understanding the ever changing environment and adjusting to it in a heartbeat and kept moving forward---the pakistanis would chose to stop and look around looking lost in open daylight.

The bottom line as I have always stated is that Pakistan was never blamed for 9/11---the U S wanted Pakistan's help---they offered to help---but made a very poor deal with the americans---. Pakistanis did not understand what was happening in the arena---because of their new found relationship with America---they were just totally flabbergasted and overwhelmed with the situation.

The govt was on one side---and the public chose to be on the other side---the politic parties not in power got together with the media and started sabotaging the govt actions.

@jhungary----never before 9/11 had Pakistan so much wealth---the life of an average Pakistani changed within days and months---the govt that was broke---had billions---can you believe it that Pakistan---a nation begging at times---was giving out money to nations poorer that it---. That is where the political parties in the opposition benches started acting up----they saw billions of dollars and saw that they were getting nothing out of those billions---nothing to fill their pockets----so they joined and started the political movement against Musharraf's govt---

The govt was forced to sit with the terrs and make peace on pressure from the public and opposition---judges on opposition payroll started giving verdicts against the state----rallys against the govt stared and ultimately Mush was overthrown---.

Kiyani the coward came into power as the COAS and from that point onwards---it was all down hill for Pakistan. The political parties looted and plundered the state like there was no tomorrow----the most corrupt man Zardari became the President and this nation did not even " whimper."

Now---going back to the article---the general is wrong when he talks about creating bilateral ties and building relationship---well he means the relationship between the Pakistan govt / military and the U S--------. The problem that needs to be addressed over here is the Pakistani public---until and unless the public does not change its manners and thinking---there will be issues with this relationship. That part needs to be addressed first and foremost---after that it would all be downhill.
Wonderful post!
I completely agree with you sir,
To be honest we haven't planned exit route of great game.Maybe we did,but unfortunate martyrdom of General Zia had became a disaster for us since we lost all those master minds behind this game.
We were then ruled by incapable regime and then table had turned against us.Where as these militant groups which we have harboured along with US and Saudia turned against us.
After soviet invasion-we should have worked over their rehabilitation. We taught them along with C.I.A jeem se jihad (j for jihad) and tay for talwar (s for sword).
They needed something to destroy-someone to fight with-
We still have no clue that what drives them to make 9/11 attack. Some say that they have never planned it !America did this on its own to capture major oil markets.Some think tanks claim that it was planted by talibans but again same question:How and when-the investigation published in book was censored by Bush administration-some parts of book.
Hence,we are all equally or partially responsible-we know the outcome, but how this major self operation by militants or whatever takes place we are unaware.
Now what? Just whining and complaining? or beating up same old line?or planning new strategy. Well yes,it is planned ,all we need is implementation without foreign dictation.I hope that civil regime and military sector will soon get rid of this.
Regards
 
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Wonderful post!
I completely agree with you sir,
To be honest we haven't planned exit route of great game.Maybe we did,but unfortunate martyrdom of General Zia had became a disaster for us since we lost all those master minds behind this game.
We were then ruled by incapable regime and then table had turned against us.Where as these militant groups which we have harboured along with US and Saudia turned against us.
After soviet invasion-we should have worked over their rehabilitation. We taught them along with C.I.A jeem se jihad (j for jihad) and tay for talwar (s for sword).
They needed something to destroy-someone to fight with-
We still have no clue that what drives them to make 9/11 attack. Some say that they have never planned it !America did this on its own to capture major oil markets.Some think tanks claim that it was planted by talibans but again same question:How and when-the investigation published in book was censored by Bush administration-some parts of book.
Hence,we are all equally or partially responsible-we know the outcome, but how this major self operation by militants or whatever takes place we are unaware.
Now what? Just whining and complaining? or beating up same old line?or planning new strategy. Well yes,it is planned ,all we need is implementation without foreign dictation.I hope that civil regime and military sector will soon get rid of this.
Regards

Hi,

I know that the Pakistanis never realized how weak pak military had become due to sanctions. Pakistanis also did not realize what effects would be taking place in the sub continent arena due to the changing of power balance one more time---Pakistanis never considered the india factor---and neither did the pak military. India was going tostop pakistan any which way that it could---because it knew that un-challenged U S military equipment to Pakistan would create problems for them in the long run.

The Pakistanis left their flanks unprotected---that allowed india to gut them---and as U S is done with what it wanted to do in afg---Pakistan was left holding an empty bowl---almost.
 
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Not quite fair to blame the misfortune Pakistan have since the US withdraw support from the you guys.

Problem lies in the usefulness of the relationship, and what did your government do when you are being aided by the US.

The US can only support you to a certain degree and how do you go from there is your country own making. With all the help that we do give, you have to be the one responsible for using it.

Look at it like this, when you got 2 friends, while one see the other one broke and give him some money, the the other one go waste it on booze or giving it to sone other friend, what would be the first friend think?

Do bear in mind, Pakistan and US have a strategic level of relationship far beyond and above the War on Terror, do remember it is the US that helped Pakistan un their formation year, when Pakistan needed the most. And the relationship would stretch far beyond WOT as a stablised S asia is goid for business to the America.

This is a canard. An Indian statement borrowed by the US to claim Pakistan has squandered or misused the funds provided by the US for the war on terror. Lets look at the reality. Pakistan has suffered $100 billion+ in the war on terror. We are reimbursed (given aid) of 18 billion max. So we are not earning a great profit from this war. Plus 50,000 citizens + have died in terror attacks in the country.

What we want is the US to have a relationship with us, not with India.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ded3be9a-9c81-11e3-b535-00144feab7de.html#axzz3OuCqM3PC

^^^^ That is a worry for us. US is clearly strenghthening India and backing it. Our government should clearly protest this.

Also do look historically at US Pakistani ties. US supported Zia Ul Haq a dictator in our country and used him to fight a moronic "Jihad" against the Soviets which could not be won without Pakistan. What did we get in return? The Presler amendment and a ban on nuclear technology.
 
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Pakistan needs to ask itself what it can offer in return that would make USA tilt towards it rather than India. Merely demanding a relationship will not work. One has to bring something to the table, just like what India has done.
 
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This is a canard. An Indian statement borrowed by the US to claim Pakistan has squandered or misused the funds provided by the US for the war on terror. Lets look at the reality. Pakistan has suffered $100 billion+ in the war on terror. We are reimbursed (given aid) of 18 billion max. So we are not earning a great profit from this war. Plus 50,000 citizens + have died in terror attacks in the country.

What we want is the US to have a relationship with us, not with India.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ded3be9a-9c81-11e3-b535-00144feab7de.html#axzz3OuCqM3PC

^^^^ That is a worry for us. US is clearly strenghthening India and backing it. Our government should clearly protest this.

Also do look historically at US Pakistani ties. US supported Zia Ul Haq a dictator in our country and used him to fight a moronic "Jihad" against the Soviets which could not be won without Pakistan. What did we get in return? The Presler amendment and a ban on nuclear technology.

all i can say right now is this, not wanting to give out too much as i an writing part 2 of this article,

This is about the misfortune of politic, thats basic Politic 101, that you cannot make a policy to satisify everybody, no policy are support 100% in any country, hence you got to choose and take and when it does happen, foreign relation will be trumped by domestic support everytime, simply becsuse a politician need domestic support to get reelected not foreign relation
 
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Pakistan needs to ask itself what it can offer in return that would make USA tilt towards it rather than India. Merely demanding a relationship will not work. One has to bring something to the table, just like what India has done.

Hi,

The situation has already changed---the French attacks have already strengthened Pakistan's position.

Let me go out on a limb---. If pak military decides on a coup and overthrows Nawaz and declares Martial law----there will be no sanctions on Pakistan.

The U S is caught in uncertainty---it never imagined in its wildest of imaginations that it would be facing such a backlash from the terrorists. For it---once it stated that the war was over and soldiers have come home the war should have been over---well as it has not happened as planned---there has been a lots of confusion in the capitol about what needed to be done---. Pakistan is back in focus.
 
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Hi,

The situation has already changed---the French attacks have already strengthened Pakistan's position.

Let me go out on a limb---. If pak military decides on a coup and overthrows Nawaz and declares Martial law----there will be no sanctions on Pakistan.

The U S is caught in uncertainty---it never imagined in its wildest of imaginations that it would be facing such a backlash from the terrorists. For it---once it stated that the war was over and soldiers have come home the war should have been over---well as it has not happened as planned---there has been a lots of confusion in the capitol about what needed to be done---. Pakistan is back in focus.

May be this "pushback" from the terrorists will help USA remake the entire region?
 
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all i can say right now is this, not wanting to give out too much as i an writing part 2 of this article,

This is about the misfortune of politic, thats basic Politic 101, that you cannot make a policy to satisify everybody, no policy are support 100% in any country, hence you got to choose and take and when it does happen, foreign relation will be trumped by domestic support everytime, simply becsuse a politician need domestic support to get reelected not foreign relation

@jhungary ,
Few years back,I wrote this article.Your post recalled me of part-2 and 1 of this.I also believe in same thing and this is what I tried to prove in my another write up state of confusion. I urge you go through this one:

The Echidna of Terrorism: Final Chapter-Ultimate solution?

Regards

May be this "pushback" from the terrorists will help USA remake the entire region?
HHahaha satirical and sarcastic!
Very clever and logical old man-you seem double PhD more in logic and reasoning than medical sciences. I hate you so much,grrrr:D
Now kindly elucidate that how it will help US to make a major shift ie making situation more favorable?:D
(Ay shaitan, kalma perhlay :lol:)
Regards
 
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HHahaha satirical and sarcastic!
Very clever and logical old man-you seem double PhD more in logic and reasoning than medical sciences. I hate you so much,grrrr:D
Now kindly elucidate that how it will help US to make a major shift ie making situation more favorable?:D
(Ay shaitan, kalma perhlay :lol:)
Regards

Yeh kahani, phir sahi. :D
 
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Yeh kahani, phir sahi. :D
Ya-Allah yeh naraz,mayoos insan iman aur umeed k noor ko le ker tujh see milay :lol:

I still have hope with Pakistan and people of Pakistan. Inshallah we will sort out exit route of this labyrinth & will annihilate and send these minotaurs to the core of earth ,inside hell!

Aye,mayoos insaan,pewasta reh shajar se,
Umeed e bahar rakh :lol:
Regards
 
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Ya-Allah yeh naraz,mayoos insan iman aur umeed k noor ko le ker tujh see milay :lol:

I still have hope with Pakistan and people of Pakistan. Inshallah we will sort out exit route of this labyrinth & will annihilate and send these minotaurs to the core of earth ,inside hell!

Aye,mayoos insaan,pewasta reh shajar se,
Umeed e bahar rakh :lol:
Regards

Nafraton key teer khaa ker doston key sheher mein
Hum ney kis kis ko pukara, yeh kahani phir sahi.
 
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just so you guys know, I did not reply to some quite for a reason, i am writing part 2 ofthis in about 2 weeks times (cureently i am writting 2 other article ) if you quite me and i seems go ignore you, that mean i am responsing to your question in part 2.
 
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