US not to sell F-35 fighter jets to Arab countries

[Timur]

Add Pakistan to that list and kick out Turkey.Turkey isnt even a Muslim country,its a puppet state of Israel and controlled by Jews.You can wear a headscarf in even France and Israel,but you can't in Turkey.

Malaysia is demilitiarizing,theres no reason for it to develope weapons.They have no threats or anything.

says the one from a country with a coup against islamic party

and now when I am really wicked I can imagine this:
we could kick out bangladesh from any list because it isnt a real country when it starts to rain it begins to disappear.. also you could say its a indian province..

 

[~Phoenix~]

says the one from a country with a coup against islamic party

Thats not even an islamic party.They just burn people alive in public buses,and you call them Islamic...

we could kick out bangladesh from any list because it isnt a real country when it starts to rain it begins to disappear.. also you could say its a indian province..

Atleast we aren't a puppet state of Israel...

 

[saynow]

better they never sell to us stealth technology we dont want this failure technology

 

[mike2000 is back]

Fighter plane development is an ecosystem and we have learnt that the hard way, countries who haven't developed a 3rd gen or a 4th gen plane let alone a trainer aircraft, developing a 5th gen fighter..?



I highly doubt you will have any serious prospects from serious countries for the kfx / ifx program solely going by past capability of not developing a single worthy aircraft.

You are right, but we will be the main force behind this project, since BAE systems will be helping them develop this stealth fighter(baring any political crisis). So don't worry.

Fighter plane development is an ecosystem and we have learnt that the hard way, countries who haven't developed a 3rd gen or a 4th gen plane let alone a trainer aircraft, developing a 5th gen fighter..?



I highly doubt you will have any serious prospects from serious countries for the kfx / ifx program solely going by past capability of not developing a single worthy aircraft.

You are right, but we will be the main force behind this project, since BAE systems will be helping them develop this stealth fighter(baring any political crisis). So don't worry.

Of course invasion in Iraq undr the false pretext of WMD is to be blamed. denying poorp palestianns their right is to be blamed. You cant expect us to turn the blind eye on that

Lool Really?
Why don't you protest and cut off relations with the 'evil' Burmese junta treatment of your royingha Muslim brothers? Why you don't protests and condemn your Saudi patrons bombing of 'poor innocent Yemenis Muslims? why you don't blame and condemn the apartheid Christian regime in Nigerian killing muslims in the the north of the country(using Boko Haram as an excuse), why you don't constantly condemn and cut off relations with Russia for its continuous suppression and massacres against 'poor innocent' muslims in Caucasus/Chechnya? Why don't condemn and blame China for its 'oppression' of 'poor innocent' Muslim uygurs ? Why you don't blame and condemn Iran for arming shias militias and supporting brutal dictator ASSAD killing poor innocent muslims in Syria? Etc etc lol

Pakistan as the leader of the Islamic world and protector of all muslims in the world should be the flag bearer and spokesperson/protector of all 'oppresed muslims' around the globe

Hypocrisy much or crocodile tears?

 

[salarsikander]

Pakistan as the leader of the Islamic world and protector of all muslims in the world should be the flag bearer and spokesperson/protector of all 'oppresed muslims' around the globe

I am simply dumbfounded by your explanation.

Pakistan is no Protector of muslim world unlike Iran and Saudia who are using religion a tool to control mass and create among different muslim sects.

Rohingya was condemned and so was other that you speak of. But what happened to Iraq is beyond comparable, the ones who are attacking muslims elsewhere are bung of rag tags terrorists calling themselves to be muslims unlike a country that touts free world and holds the best weapons available at its disposal. Not condemning them will not make US crimes on Iraq any less, would? AN entire functional country was turned into rubble under the false pretext, which then gave birth to ISIS and Sunni shia rivalry we all are aware of. What US did and will have affect over entire generation of iraqis for years to come, they basically destroyed an entire culture. Something that is totally unforgivable

 

[mike2000 is back]

I am simply dumbfounded by your explanation.

Pakistan is no Protector of muslim world unlike Iran and Saudia who are using religion a tool to control mass and create among different muslim sects.

Rohingya was condemned and so was other that you speak of. But what happened to Iraq is beyond comparable, the ones who are attacking muslims elsewhere are bung of rag tags terrorists calling themselves to be muslims unlike a country that touts free world and holds the best weapons available at its disposal. Not condemning them will not make US crimes on Iraq any less, would? AN entire functional country was turned into rubble under the false pretext, which then gave birth to ISIS and Sunni shia rivalry we all are aware of. What US did and will have affect over entire generation of iraqis for years to come, they basically destroyed an entire culture. Something that is totally unforgivable

No you should be , judging by your comments saying :we can't turn a blind eye to the denial of poor Palestinians their rights( or whatever that means). Lool

The day I see your country condemning with the strongest terms all the above countries I mentioned earlier for their treatment of your 'oppressed' Muslim brothers and the denial by those countries of your Muslim brothers right , then I take your 'concerns' seriously. until then you are just shedding crocodile tears and displaying your hatred for Israel. Since I'm 100% sure that if it was another country who was in the place of Israel today(say your Chinese ally, or Russia etc) you won't even be talking about Palestinian cause ever. LMAO

Seriously, You Pakistanis should focus on making your country better and eradicating your tens of thousands of Islamic extremists /terrorist groups destroying your country, instead of constantly ranting about Arab-Israeli issues which funny enough is none of Pakistan's business. Some of you people try and act even more Arab than the real Arab themselves. I always find it strange.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I have a feeling that the only muslim countries which have the culture of RnD and technical environment to develop world class weapons are Turkey and Iran. Malaysia too have good universities, RnD and the economy to support the development.

Agree, Turkey and Iran are the only countries in the middle East(and Muslim world to some extent) who have the potential to build their own weapons systems, since they have a proud history(ottoman empire and Persian empire legacy), a scientific tradition, educated workforce, etc.
Turkey is certainly the most secular and democratic Muslim-majority nation in the region, if not the entire world. By law, Turks have a number of freedoms and guarantees which separate them, culturally, from the greater Middle-East.(The Turkish constitution acutely separates religion and state). It is a G20 member(the only in the middle East), and There’s no comparison between the average wages of Turks and those of Egyptians, Tunisians, Moroccans, Syrians, or Iraqis and even Iranians etc(who all lag behind). The only handful of Muslim countries with higher GDPs per capita are the Gulf States - Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Oman, and that too is because they rely on the sale of their massive oil reserves(exploited mainly by U.S,British, French, Chinese, Dutch and Japanese oil companies who have the tech) meanwhile Turkey has no significant natural resources to rely on and so has to be more productive/rely on its educated workforce. Turks also do much better than people in other populous Muslim-majority nations such as Pakistan and Indonesia. Turkey also has a well-functioning public infrastructure in terms of transportation and social welfare. It has a number of high-speed and bullet trains, and the quality and density of high-speed rail and road networks is very high(I can attest to this as i have visited the country before). Most public transport is very affordable and subsidized by Government. Turkey is also the only Middle Eastern country other than Israel to have a life expectancy higher than 75 years.
All this was made possible by the country elsewhile leaderand founder of modern Turkey Atatuk he was Turkey's saviour as he made Turkey a secular pragmatic advanced/forward looking country not an ideologically crazy Islamists/religious obsessed one. I love this his statement:

"He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men." ~Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.


A for Iran, they are similar to Turkey in their long proud history, scientific tradition, very patriotic and educated citizens etc Eventhough the Islamic revolution and toppling of the shah considerably slowed down Iran's economic growth/development, but the country is still a resilient country since,Iran has a proud history and culture, and a highly educated population. So it's fundamentals are strong(no matter the government in power). Despite their Islamic radical rhetoric, the common people are forward looking and smart people(just being held back by their governments erroneous policies/rhetoric and sanctions that followed). For example many of their officials are western educated(President Rouhani isan alumnus of Glasgow Caledonian University), so they are still quite productive, eventhough I believe they are still under performing since they have the potential to be as productive as Turkey.

 

[royalharris]

turkey tomato nice. don't judge nations rashly, history is a long river, we are now just during a small part of it. no one always be strong or weak,we even don't know a strong nation existed or not 300 years later.keep low, be quiet,don't always bring others democrazy

 

[dani958]

the gcc have enaugh miney to develop stilthy plane what israel dont have technology we have money dont so come on gcc sppecisal saudi arabia want to develop good defence industry this is the start het fighter

 

[mike2000 is back]

turkey tomato nice. don't judge nations rashly, history is a long river, we are now just during a small part of it. no one always be strong or weak,we even don't know a strong nation existed or not 300 years later.keep low, be quiet,don't always bring others democrazy

What are you even talking about?

 

[Muhammed45]

says the one from a country with a coup against islamic party

and now when I am really wicked I can imagine this:
we could kick out bangladesh from any list because it isnt a real country when it starts to rain it begins to disappear.. also you could say its a indian province..

says the one from a country that coup is a common accident which may happen at night or during the day with disappearing some helicopters and fighter jets. Hey man did you find those missing helicopters?
Everyone knows that USA stabbed you in the back but you are too slow to understand what exactly happened that night.
Who exactly are you to kick our brother country? NATO's s@ker?

 

[royalharris]

Agree, Turkey and Iran are the only countries in the middle East(and Muslim world to some extent) who have the potential to build their own weapons systems, since they have a proud history(ottoman empire and Persian empire legacy), a scientific tradition, educated workforce, etc.
Turkey is certainly the most secular and democratic Muslim-majority nation in the region, if not the entire world. By law, Turks have a number of freedoms and guarantees which separate them, culturally, from the greater Middle-East.(The Turkish constitution acutely separates religion and state). It is a G20 member(the only in the middle East), and There’s no comparison between the average wages of Turks and those of Egyptians, Tunisians, Moroccans, Syrians, or Iraqis and even Iran etc(who all lag behind). The only handful of Muslim countries with higher GDPs per capita are the Gulf States - Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Oman, and that too is because they rely on the sale of their massive oil reserves(exploited mainly by U.S,British, French, Chinese and Japanese oil companies who have the tech) meanwhile Turkey has no significant natural resources rely on and so has to be more productive/rely on its educated workforce. Turks do much better than people in other populous Muslim-majority nations such as Pakistan and Indonesia. Turkey also has a well-functioning public infrastructure in terms of transportation and social welfare. It has a number of high-speed and bullet trains, and the quality and density of high-speed rail and road networks is very high(I can attest to this as i have visited the country before). Most public transport is very affordable and subsidized by Government. Turkey is also the only Middle Eastern country other than Israel to have a life expectancy higher than 75 years.
All this ws made possible due to Atartuk he was Turkey's saviour as he made Turkey a secular country not an ideologically crazy Islamists/religious obsessed one. . I love this his statement:

"He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men." ~Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.


A for Iran, they are similar to Turkey in their long proud history, scientific tradition, very patriotic and educated citizens etc Eventhough the Islamic revolution and toppling of the shah considerably slowed down Iran's economic growth/development, but the country is still a resilient country since,Iran has a proud history and culture, and a highly educated population. So it's fundamentals are strong(no matter the government in power). Despite their Islamic rhetoric, they are forwRd looking and smart people. For example many of their officials are western educated(President Rouhani isan alumnus of Glasgow Caledonian University), so they are still quite productive, eventhough I believe they are still under performing since they have the potential to be more productive than maybe even Turkey.

arabs,used to be great, oil resource bring GCC easy money,luxury life, at the same time take away their long term vision and desert tough.they should wake up.without inside strengh, money is good thing, live a better life, also a bad thing ,make yourself in dangers. turkey, secular country, little more pragmatic than GCC, with a outstanding geo-position,relations with NATO and muslim, make it develop faster than other muslin country.but bordered with EU and russia, a controllable regional power is ok. nothing but that. turkey is full of ambitions, keep it low, do things carefully, will bring them a bright future.but if doing thing on the other way, will bring them much more trouble,even danger.iran, not rich now ,but great potential, carefully dealling between USA\russia\china, with the hard work and right time, possible to be a strong power

 

[dani958]

Agree, Turkey and Iran are the only countries in the middle East(and Muslim world to some extent) who have the potential to build their own weapons systems, since they have a proud history(ottoman empire and Persian empire legacy), a scientific tradition, educated workforce, etc.
Turkey is certainly the most secular and democratic Muslim-majority nation in the region, if not the entire world. By law, Turks have a number of freedoms and guarantees which separate them, culturally, from the greater Middle-East.(The Turkish constitution acutely separates religion and state). It is a G20 member(the only in the middle East), and There’s no comparison between the average wages of Turks and those of Egyptians, Tunisians, Moroccans, Syrians, or Iraqis and even Iran etc(who all lag behind). The only handful of Muslim countries with higher GDPs per capita are the Gulf States - Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Oman, and that too is because they rely on the sale of their massive oil reserves(exploited mainly by U.S,British, French, Chinese and Japanese oil companies who have the tech) meanwhile Turkey has no significant natural resources rely on and so has to be more productive/rely on its educated workforce. Turks do much better than people in other populous Muslim-majority nations such as Pakistan and Indonesia. Turkey also has a well-functioning public infrastructure in terms of transportation and social welfare. It has a number of high-speed and bullet trains, and the quality and density of high-speed rail and road networks is very high(I can attest to this as i have visited the country before). Most public transport is very affordable and subsidized by Government. Turkey is also the only Middle Eastern country other than Israel to have a life expectancy higher than 75 years.
All this ws made possible due to Atartuk he was Turkey's saviour as he made Turkey a secular country not an ideologically crazy Islamists/religious obsessed one. . I love this his statement:

"He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men." ~Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.


A for Iran, they are similar to Turkey in their long proud history, scientific tradition, very patriotic and educated citizens etc Eventhough the Islamic revolution and toppling of the shah considerably slowed down Iran's economic growth/development, but the country is still a resilient country since,Iran has a proud history and culture, and a highly educated population. So it's fundamentals are strong(no matter the government in power). Despite their Islamic rhetoric, they are forwRd looking and smart people. For example many of their officials are western educated(President Rouhani isan alumnus of Glasgow Caledonian University), so they are still quite productive, eventhough I believe they are still under performing since they have the potential to be more productive than maybe even Turkey.

iran biulding only missles thats all

arabs,used to be great, oil resource bring GCC easy money,luxury life, at the same time take away their long term vision and desert tough.they should wake up.without inside strengh, money is good thing, live a better life, also a bad thing ,make yourself in dangers. turkey, secular country, little more pragmatic than GCC, with a outstanding geo-position, good relation with NATO and muslim, make it develop faster than other muslin country.but bordered with EU and russia, a controllable regional power is ok. nothing but that. iran, not rich now ,but great potential, with the hard work and right time, possible to be a strong power

what potencial its teror country

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

What a waste of money. Even if the Arabs bought F-35's they'd only use them to bomb impoverished Yemenis.

 

[dani958]

the day we will get f 22 no problem they get f 35