US never wants a friendly indo pak relation

[Developereo]

yeah got it.....some indians blame the US......don't backtrack when u are caught red handed.......don't make allegations about a country in thin air....no indian blames the US.......and yes, indian media blames china, and we have concrete reasons to do so.....

Nobody's backtracking.

Some Indians (and Pakistanis) act as if there would be harmony in South Asia if the US disappeared (just read posts in this and other threads). I am saying that Indian media blames China, not the US, for the tensions.

and the one good thing pak did to india which indian media did not report...?

its not us who r brainwashed...rather you u cannot see anything +ve abt india...

btw the only pak media that maintains a semblance of neutrality is dawn (even there u have the jawid naqwi types) which the "hindu" does in india.....for n ET you have an ndtv....and this inspite the terrorism that emanates from pak soil and afflicts india...

Pak govt. offered to send top level ISI officials right after 26/11, but most Indians act as if Pak was intransigent and uncooperative throughout the ordeal.

So, what Pakistan should have done on WOT (in your view)?

That's probably a whole different thread. Briefly, we did the right thing, but we underestimated the reach of the extremists.

so we blame US or china ?

Answered above.

 

[luckyyy]

the forum rules should be universal and same for everyone...

today there was a thread in india-defence section got deleted for the reason..
Thread deleted by Santro Reason: News posted without link, automatic delete (also in incorrect section

if at all the rules would be same for this thread too and for every thread on this nature..

thank you..

 

[third eye]

Wasn't it your dear Indira Gandhi who said she will throw the Two Nation Theory down the Indian Ocean and then told her troops to violate the International Borders and invade Lahore, Pakistan.

U.S. today wants Pakistan and India to be friends so that Pakistan can help US fight "terrorists" near the Afghan border, but how can Pakistan believe U.S. when India has stationed most of its troop along the Pakistan Border, including the LoC in Kashmir.

Ref highlighted part above, though off topic yet for the record:

The fact that Bangladesh exists establishes the fact that at least one side of the two nation theory was flawed. Not that it matters coz the partition in hind sught was the right & proper thing to happen.

Next she did not ask the IA to violate the IB.It was in response to the Pre emptive attacks on Five Indian Airfields on 3rd Dec 71.

 

[Kazhugu]

Pak govt. offered to send top level ISI officials right after 26/11, but most Indians act as if Pak was intransigent and uncooperative throughout the ordeal.

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and within 24 hours backtracked after the pak army said it is not possible....what do you want to write about it ?

 

[mahi25]

This is a misconception among us. A peaceful south asia will bring them more business than simply selling arms. US is spending hugely in Afghanistan and one of the major reason is adversity between Pakistan and India. Arms sell is nothing as compared to spending in Afghanistan

do u know how much of US economy depends upon the sale of weapons????it plays a huge role...in south asia the manufacturing sector has already been overtaken by china..thus US only have wepons to sell to southasian countries

 

[Developereo]

and within 24 hours backtracked after the pak army said it is not possible....what do you want to write about it ?

MMS asked for Pasha and Zardari agreed, and then changed it to top ISI officials. The opposition was from all political parties in Pakistan, not just the army.

The point being Pakistan was willing to cooperate. Pasha, being the top man, it was right not to send him to India.

 

[Omar1984]

Ref highlighted part above, though off topic yet for the record:

The fact that Bangladesh exists establishes the fact that at least one side of the two nation theory was flawed. Not that it matters coz the partition in hind sught was the right & proper thing to happen.

Next she did not ask the IA to violate the IB.It was in response to the Pre emptive attacks on Five Indian Airfields on 3rd Dec 71.

Bangladesh was also part of the British India Empire before 1947. It never "rejoined" India so the Two Nation Theory is still a success.

And what do you call the boundary between Pakistan and India. Its called International Borders and is International Borders since 1947. Your indian government and your indian army violated International law and crossed the INternational Borders in 1965 and invaded Lahore, Pakistan.

And America is the one who pressured this pathetic PPP governmnet of Pakistan to improve relations and trade with India and is the one who pressured the pathetic PPP government to grant India the Most Favored Nation title.


Just because today there is a growing anti-american sentiment in Pakistan you people think you can fool Pakistanis into believing that America is also against India's interests

 

[Kazhugu]

MMS asked for Pasha and Zardari agreed, and then changed it to top ISI officials. The opposition was from all political parties in Pakistan, not just the army.

The point being Pakistan was willing to cooperate. Pasha, being the top man, it was right not to send him to India.

bs....then its ur internal politics...its like saying congress wants to give kashmir to india..but since bjp is not allowing it will not give and u should not blame india for that...

the ultimate result is he did not come to india....so nothing to write about it as there ws no co-op....u just have your pre-conceived notions and make your arguments around it...if something does not fit into it....rationalize it using everything under the sun....

india does may things positive to pakistan like not withdrawing from peace process, dropping the oppostion in wto etc..so pak press writes about it..in contrast there is not a single thing + ve emanating out of pakistan that is missed in the media...so ur point is null and void....

indian media is as much +ve towards pakistan, if no more than pak press is towards india....

 

[Developereo]

bs....then its ur internal politics...its like saying congress wants to give kashmir to india..but since bjp is not allowing it will not give and u should not blame india for that...

the ultimate result is he did not come to india....so nothing to write about it as there ws no co-op....u just have your pre-conceived notions and make your arguments around it...if something does not fit into it....rationalize it using everything under the sun....

Nonsense. That's how democracy works. The President is not a dictator who can unilaterally make these decisions. MMS askedfor Pasha; Zardari, like the arrogant idiot that he is, agreed without getting consensus. It is ridiculous to expect the chief of the enemy intelligence agency to hop on a plane just because your president asked for it.

In the end, Pakistan offered to send high level ISI officials, which is the important point that the Indians don't accept.

india does may things positive to pakistan like not withdrawing from peace process, dropping the oppostion in wto etc..so pak press writes about it..in contrast there is not a single thing + ve emanating out of pakistan that is missed in the media...so ur point is null and void....

indian media is as much +ve towards pakistan, if no more than pak press is towards india....

Again false. Both countries make symbolic moves. The issue here is balanced coverage of the other country and an opportunity to hear the other point of view.

Can you show me one single mainstream Indian media outlet that syndicates a Pakistani columnist?

I can show you Indians on Pakistani media.

 

[Kazhugu]

Nonsense. That's how democracy works. The President is not a dictator who can unilaterally make these decisions. MMS askedfor Pasha; Zardari, like the arrogant idiot that he is, agreed without getting consensus. It is ridiculous to expect the chief of the enemy intelligence agency to hop on a plane just because your president asked for it.

In the end, Pakistan offered to send high level ISI officials, which is the important point that the Indians don't accept.

well the 'high' level officials were not high enough for the magnitude of the situation.....we cant be accepting every tom dick and harry who comes to india..the man coming to india must mean business....

and how foolish of you to think just sending officials as some great co-operation.....they come, enjoy our chai-biskoot, say we have nothing to do with this and go back home....

the reality is there is nothing abolutely nothing positive that is emanating out of pakistan towards india....we cannot write about non-exist

Again false. Both countries make symbolic moves. The issue here is balanced coverage of the other country and an opportunity to hear the other point of view.

the point is simple...pak media writes positive about india..not all pak media..just dawn and sometimes et....because we do positive things to pak....on the contrary nothing positive ever emanated out of pakistan that we can write about.....

Can you show me one single mainstream Indian media outlet that syndicates a Pakistani columnist?

I can show you Indians on Pakistani media.

stupid metric....we have many pro-pak indians columnists like siddharth varadarajan, barkha dutt, and even at time praveen swami writing op-eds......whereas a look at indians writing in pak will give an idea why they are allowed...for example..kuldip nayar...a closet pakistani...who still dreams about united punjab...

 

[Nitin Goyal]

do u know how much of US economy depends upon the sale of weapons????it plays a huge role...in south asia the manufacturing sector has already been overtaken by china..thus US only have wepons to sell to southasian countries

US sale weapons all over the world. Weapon sales in south east asia is hardly few bn dollar per year. That much they donate to Pakistan. That is nothing for a 14 trillion USD economy. Come out from victimhood mentality and swallow the truth they we have failed to resolve our issues.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Actually the thing is that pakistan was concieved to protect interests of Nawabs, Zameedars , Mullas& muslim generals inthe armed forces(most of them belonged to muslim eliete) but was glorified as a homeland of muslims anuay the case is USA & its meddling in south asia well it was pakistan's then elite who brougt USA for the sake of easy Growth (but sucsess is always achieved by hardwork&sacrifice) inthe mean tome to justify its exixtance as a dominant force in pak politics army created the Jinn of indian hegemony & stuff (first by being impatiant by sending mercenaris in kashmeer) but owr pakistany freinds think otherwise well let them be happy & my indian freinds dont fall for troll baits , Thanks Again .

 

[third eye]

I am pointing out the consistent nature of the Indian media and government statements. The reasons for this behavior can be debated, but the behavior itself has been on display all these years. The tone of the current media focus on China is also there for all to see.

The media is reporting things as they are. The behaviour is based on ground realities such as ;

The nation, GOI & the media see a permanent hostile neighbour on the West who is still smarting form the partition and dismemberment, who actively conspires against India under the garb of 'non state actors'.. something which is common since birth i.e Lashkars in 47, Op Gibraltar by Ayub in 65 ,Punjab in the 80's not to mention Mumbai in the recent past.

Similarly one sees a nation to the north whose claim line keeps expanding.

 

[mahi25]

US sale weapons all over the world. Weapon sales in south east asia is hardly few bn dollar per year. That much they donate to Pakistan. That is nothing for a 14 trillion USD economy. Come out from victimhood mentality and swallow the truth they we have failed to resolve our issues.

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rc...kXAP8z8KAqEC7AmwA&sig2=Zy3u67DJU4yGVVQ8fgzhnQ just see what a big arms market india is....http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rc...H0aKlOSoeUFkp4IPA&sig2=CjAjdDOGWWl9TQs-Kl_UwA see this also

 

[GURU DUTT]

Pakistanies are a intellegent race for sure but very -vert emotional and often mix poltics (international&economic) to freindship (personal) i think thats the main reason for the mess in which they find themselfs after every new freindship stint .