US Navy ship collides with oil tanker in Gulf

[pakistanitarzan]

Accidents happen! No Big Deal K, now can we get over it? USA has the best navy in the whole world. Period!
Facts are facts!

 

[Oldman1]

With the stupid staff driving the destroyer,there isn't any need for an external attack



Since when a 350m stealth oil tanker can hide itself even from bare eyes?We should assume that no one has been on board of destroyer which is almost impossible.

Its dark. But the stealth tanker thing was a joke.

Wow. Looks like the modern version of Spanish Armarda.

Thats photo shopped.

 

[Jango]

Thats a big tanker! definitely not a ferrari

 

[surya kiran]

On a civilian ship there are only one or two people on navigation bridge...On a Navy ship there is a hoard of "Trained professionals" keeping the navigational watch...
Combine that with "Le american technology borrowed from Optimus prime" and they could keep their ship safe..

Everybody was below deck to enhance stealth characteristics, else, radar would bounce off their heads! or simply everybody had bad hangovers from saturday night

 

[Safriz]

that was a sub surfacing in a ballast blow.. thats like running out from behind a curtain.. You dont know what is up top.
I doubt this was a power trip.. this isnt the roman times where you would have the captian shout: "Ramming Speed".

They have equipment for knowing whats on surface...All marine vessels are partially submerged...including boats and ships....except hovercraft...and for that reason they all can be seen via sonar by a submarine under water.....So yes they know whats on surface.

 

[Donatello]

The officer in charge can kiss his career good bye!

 

[IND151]

^^ he may go to jail too

 

[Safriz]

^^ he may go to jail too

no chance.....
even the commander of Greeneville Submarine which sunk a japanese trawler was not jailed...Despite court findings of multiple failures on normal seamanship practices...such as manning sonar stations with qualified people ...theirs were manned by random visitors.

 

[Twain]

The tankers path

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EiP8qCOjL5M/UChZMgnfPWI/AAAAAAAAJHA/XAAokr0NsPw/s640/Otowasan_AIS.JPG

That has to be about the location of the incident, but that is very odd considering the damage on the destroyer was on the starboard front. The last AIS report before it pulled that Crazy Ivan maneuver above was 14.1 knots heading 74 degrees at 12:51am. At 12:55am the ship was slowed to 9.7 knots heading 122 degrees, so presumably the collision had already occurred? If you zoom in you can see see the track where a small box forms, which may be the area where the destroyer came to a full stop and the tanker circles around the ship passing behind, across the port side for a bit, then circles around and passes in front of the destroyer before resuming course.

Information Dissemination: Collision in the Strait of Hormuz

 

[SQ8]

They have equipment for knowing whats on surface...All marine vessels are partially submerged...including boats and ships....except hovercraft...and for that reason they all can be seen via sonar by a submarine under water.....So yes they know whats on surface.

Yes.. and No..
One must look into the conditions..and the lax shown by the CO of the sub to understand the causes of the accident.

 

[mak2000]

The Captain must have been drunk or sleeping and the OOW must have been puffing!! Otherwise how the hack a modern destroyer can collide with such a large ship, unless some kind of serious breakdown occurred in any of the ships?

IRGC Navy should have offered the Captain of US destroyer to tow the ship to nearest Iranian navy Dockyard.

 

[Oldman1]

The Captain must have been drunk or sleeping and the OOW must have been puffing!! Otherwise how the hack a modern destroyer can collide with such a large ship, unless some kind of serious breakdown occurred in any of the ships?

IRGC Navy should have offered the Captain of US destroyer to tow the ship to nearest Iranian navy Dockyard.

Yes they should have. I wonder why they didn't.

We helped their sailors many times before.

The tankers path

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EiP8qCOjL5M/UChZMgnfPWI/AAAAAAAAJHA/XAAokr0NsPw/s640/Otowasan_AIS.JPG

That has to be about the location of the incident, but that is very odd considering the damage on the destroyer was on the starboard front. The last AIS report before it pulled that Crazy Ivan maneuver above was 14.1 knots heading 74 degrees at 12:51am. At 12:55am the ship was slowed to 9.7 knots heading 122 degrees, so presumably the collision had already occurred? If you zoom in you can see see the track where a small box forms, which may be the area where the destroyer came to a full stop and the tanker circles around the ship passing behind, across the port side for a bit, then circles around and passes in front of the destroyer before resuming course.

Information Dissemination: Collision in the Strait of Hormuz

The tanker veers to hard starboard and turns back to its hard port before getting back on track.

 

[Safriz]

The tanker veers to hard starboard and turns back to its hard port before getting back on track.

This menoever is performs By the "Stand on vessel" when the Give way vessel fails to get out of the way or takes dangerous late action...
The stand on vessel goes hard over to starboard,going back on her track then takes a full 360' turn to come back on her original course...
Its rule 16 and 17 of Avoidance of collision at sea..RULE 16: ACTION OF GIVE - AWAY - RULE 17: STAND-ON VESSEL

So apparently the Navy ship did not take appropriate action and the tanker was forced to take action for collision avoidance and then the navy ship did something,may be take wrong action and ended up in the path of the tanker...
Such a large tanker is not easy to manoever due to inertia alone and other factors...

But as the picture posted by Twain shows..it turned to starboard and then back to port..then the tanker might be at fault as you are not supposed to turn towards port unless you are out of options...The tanker could have kept turning starboard until full circle completed...."Z" maneuvers at sea are a no no,and confuses all parties involved...

May be a newly Qualifid Japanese officer on watch with not much experience
Although it happened at around 0050 local time at which time either second or third officer must have been on navigation watch aboard the tanker...Both these ranks are not too experienced.

 

[Safriz]

The accident happened near "Bukha oil field" and for a deep draft vessel such as a large tanker maneuvering in such congested waters is extremely difficult...

 

[gambit]

Yes they should have. I wonder why they didn't.

We helped their sailors many times before.



The tanker veers to hard starboard and turns back to its hard port before getting back on track.

Let this topic go. The US will be at fault no matter what and great mental gymnastics will be used to make it so. Let the kids have their meaningless fun.