US/NATO condemn Pakistan's right to defend itself

[pakdefender]

The issue is being raised at the highest level with the US and once a thug is confronted with facts then his first line of defence is to become more belligerent

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/w...rence-tense-talk-between-us-and-pakistan.html

“These are critical masses of people that come in; this is not just potshots,” Ms. Rehman said. She said that on 52 different occasions in the last eight months Pakistan had provided to American and NATO commanders in Afghanistan the locations from which the militants were attacking, to no avail.

Waiting now for Ganga Din to call Sherry Rehman as another Zaid Hamid

Immediately, Mr. Lute, a retired three-star Army general and deputy national security adviser who rarely speaks in public, fired back. “There’s no comparison of the Pakistani Taliban’s relatively recent, small-in-scale presence inside Afghanistan to the decades-long experience and relationship between elements of the Pakistani government and the Afghan Taliban,” he said. “To compare these is simply unfair.”

Someone needs to tell him to shut up now that their game has been exposed and what he is trying to write off as 'small-in-scale presence inside Afghanistan' is like an unwitting acknowledgment from his own mouth that they are aware of Fazlullah's presence in Afghanistan and they have done nothing about it.

 

[karan.1970]

The issue is being raised at the highest level with the US and once a thug is confronted with facts then his first line of defence is to become more belligerent

A lot of people (who matter) say the same, but about Pakistan

 

[Safriz]

By all means Pakistan should kill the intruders..
Enough is enough.....so many soldiers have died by these afghan indruder's hands..
Its only right to bomb them..ISAF,ANA fails miserably at doing anuthing right,and are incapable of securing afghan borders....so pakistan has to do it.

 

[CENTCOM]

By all means Pakistan should kill the intruders..
Enough is enough.....so many soldiers have died by these afghan indruder's hands..
Its only right to bomb them..ISAF,ANA fails miserably at doing anuthing right,and are incapable of securing afghan borders....so pakistan has to do it.

Dear Safriz,

We must realize that this is not a one sided issue. The problem exists on both sides of the border. We want our readers to know that this issue is not being overlooked, and the recent rise in the cross border attacks have been the subject of discussion between our governments. Let’s keep in mind that these terrorists have a common mission of destabilizing the region. These attacks aim to spread chaos and fear among the people, and create hurdles in our way of bringing peace and stability to the region. We reiterate what ISAF said in regard to the circumstances surrounding the cross border attacks. “We have many shared interests – including our respective commitments for coordinated action against the cross-border attacks of the Haqqani terrorists from North Waziristan who threaten Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the region; of supporting Afghanistan’s security, stability, and efforts towards reconciliation; and of continuing to work together to advance the many other shared interests we have, from increasing trade and investment to strengthening our people-to-people ties. We are committed to working together with Pakistan on these issues, and others, on the basis of mutual interest and respect. We should pursue a relationship that is enduring, strategic, carefully defined, and that enhances the security and prosperity of the region.”

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[meena24]

Dear Safriz,

We must realize that this is not a one sided issue. The problem exists on both sides of the border. We want our readers to know that this issue is not being overlooked, and the recent rise in the cross border attacks have been the subject of discussion between our governments. Let’s keep in mind that these terrorists have a common mission of destabilizing the region. These attacks aim to spread chaos and fear among the people, and create hurdles in our way of bringing peace and stability to the region. We reiterate what ISAF said in regard to the circumstances surrounding the cross border attacks. “We have many shared interests – including our respective commitments for coordinated action against the cross-border attacks of the Haqqani terrorists from North Waziristan who threaten Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the region; of supporting Afghanistan’s security, stability, and efforts towards reconciliation; and of continuing to work together to advance the many other shared interests we have, from increasing trade and investment to strengthening our people-to-people ties. We are committed to working together with Pakistan on these issues, and others, on the basis of mutual interest and respect. We should pursue a relationship that is enduring, strategic, carefully defined, and that enhances the security and prosperity of the region.”

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

Good point sir, Wish you all the best for your all future operations in Afghanistan.

 

[Fazlu]

The ISAF spokesperson couldn’t hold back his pain after seeing the newly trained dogs of the Americans getting smothered with artillery, hence the truth came out of his mouth

You edited a genuine dawn article to suit your agenda. You deliberately edited a quote from military spokesman to dawn and called it the "truth coming out of his mouth". Do you see the flaw in your claim yet ?

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Everybody is missing the big picture as always, the West wants to divide Pakistan into several smaller and weaker countries.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Dear Safriz,

We must realize that this is not a one sided issue. The problem exists on both sides of the border. We want our readers to know that this issue is not being overlooked, and the recent rise in the cross border attacks have been the subject of discussion between our governments. Let’s keep in mind that these terrorists have a common mission of destabilizing the region. These attacks aim to spread chaos and fear among the people, and create hurdles in our way of bringing peace and stability to the region. We reiterate what ISAF said in regard to the circumstances surrounding the cross border attacks. “We have many shared interests – including our respective commitments for coordinated action against the cross-border attacks of the Haqqani terrorists from North Waziristan who threaten Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the region; of supporting Afghanistan’s security, stability, and efforts towards reconciliation; and of continuing to work together to advance the many other shared interests we have, from increasing trade and investment to strengthening our people-to-people ties. We are committed to working together with Pakistan on these issues, and others, on the basis of mutual interest and respect. We should pursue a relationship that is enduring, strategic, carefully defined, and that enhances the security and prosperity of the region.”

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

Risking national security for Limited interests? Incidents in pasts actually don't supports your views on commitment, At currently Drones attacks plus ANA intrusions on Tribals belt are more responsible of spreading chaos and fear among public. Also that continous twist in U.S's policey effecting us and other allies more in this war. On one hand you are interested in peace talks with Talibs, and on other hand attacking on our Soldier and Locals . We have an idea that how ANA independent of their decisions and how much they work under your command. Sometimes , your diplomatic approachs reflects that you are on war against us too. How can you still talk about commitment and support when on other hands your political establishment don't understands the issues of Pakistan.

 

[Solomon2]

ISAF,ANA fails miserably at doing anuthing right,and are incapable of securing afghan borders....so pakistan has to do it.

Not quite. While the U.N. Security Council says Pakistan has the binding sovereign obligation to eliminate terrorism, terror-training camps, and terrorist sanctuaries within its territory (UNSCR 1373) it also says that the same rule doesn't quite apply to Afghanistan as it characterizes (in UNSCR 2041) Afghanistan’s government as in “transition” to assuming full security responsibilities and stresses “the crucial importance of advancing regional cooperation as an effective means to promote security” – including Pakistani cooperation.

So if Pakistan really wants to eliminate the threat from any TTP havens in Afghanistan, the SC says it has to “cooperate” with ISAF and the Afghan government - not engage in blind artillery bombardments that recklessly kill the wrong people.

 

[PakEagle]

Not quite. While the U.N. Security Council says Pakistan has the binding sovereign obligation to eliminate terrorism, terror-training camps, and terrorist sanctuaries within its territory (UNSCR 1373) it also says that the same rule doesn't quite apply to Afghanistan as it characterizes (in UNSCR 2041) Afghanistan’s government as in “transition” to assuming full security responsibilities and stresses “the crucial importance of advancing regional cooperation as an effective means to promote security” – including Pakistani cooperation.

So if Pakistan really wants to eliminate the threat from any TTP havens in Afghanistan, the SC says it has to “cooperate” with ISAF and the Afghan government - not engage in blind artillery bombardments that recklessly kill the wrong people.

US with all its technology and money is unable to eliminate taliban in 11 years.Asking pak to do so with its minimal resources is something utterly stupid and now this new strategy of supporting armed groups and incite them to attack Pak forces is gonna fireback sooner or later.Talibans have geared up their attacks on ISAF from inside af'tan in recent years clearly proves they have supporters in af'tan and its not understandable why US is not able to tackle it with its dozens of allies and all the money and tech.Some people believe its coz US is in favor of arming people not disarming them and bringing peace .

 

[notorious_eagle]

Not quite. While the U.N. Security Council says Pakistan has the binding sovereign obligation to eliminate terrorism, terror-training camps, and terrorist sanctuaries within its territory (UNSCR 1373) it also says that the same rule doesn't quite apply to Afghanistan as it characterizes (in UNSCR 2041) Afghanistan’s government as in “transition” to assuming full security responsibilities and stresses “the crucial importance of advancing regional cooperation as an effective means to promote security” – including Pakistani cooperation.

So if Pakistan really wants to eliminate the threat from any TTP havens in Afghanistan, the SC says it has to “cooperate” with ISAF and the Afghan government - not engage in blind artillery bombardments that recklessly kill the wrong people.

What exactly can Pakistan do when the ISAF and ANA are refusing to take any action. ISAF has very minimal presence in the Kunar and Nuristan district as they have taken the easy route of only defending the cities. When ISAF does not take any action, Pakistan has no choice but to fire artillery shells against the escaping TTP. As far as i am concerned, Pakistan should chase the escaping TTP in hot pursuit and destroy their hide outs inside Afghanistan. If the ANA and ISAF are not going to do anything about terrorist sanctuaries, i believe Pakistan Army should act and destroy these hide outs.

 

[Dance]

What exactly can Pakistan do when the ISAF and ANA are refusing to take any action. ISAF has very minimal presence in the Kunar and Nuristan district as they have taken the easy route of only defending the cities. When ISAF does not take any action, Pakistan has no choice but to fire artillery shells against the escaping TTP. As far as i am concerned, Pakistan should chase the escaping TTP in hot pursuit and destroy their hide outs inside Afghanistan. If the ANA and ISAF are not going to do anything about terrorist sanctuaries, i believe Pakistan Army should act and destroy these hide outs.

Exactly, just a couple of days ago the ana attacked a checkpost in Khurram. Pakistan army should repay the favor and go into Afghanistan and destroy not only TTP hideouts (potentially even BLA sanctuaries)

 

[mjnaushad]

Not quite. While the U.N. Security Council says Pakistan has the binding sovereign obligation to eliminate terrorism, terror-training camps, and terrorist sanctuaries within its territory (UNSCR 1373) it also says that the same rule doesn't quite apply to Afghanistan as it characterizes (in UNSCR 2041) Afghanistan’s government as in “transition” to assuming full security responsibilities and stresses “the crucial importance of advancing regional cooperation as an effective means to promote security” – including Pakistani cooperation.

So if Pakistan really wants to eliminate the threat from any TTP havens in Afghanistan, the SC says it has to “cooperate” with ISAF and the Afghan government - not engage in blind artillery bombardments that recklessly kill the wrong people.

in other words hypocricy ...why am i not surprised??

 

[Solomon2]

US with all its technology and money is unable to eliminate taliban in 11 years.Asking pak to do so with its minimal resources is something utterly stupid -

Yes, it was utterly stupid to ask Pakistan to do so as long as the two "allies" had divergent strategic goals: much of the money given to Pakistan to fight terrorism vanished into other purposes: nuclear weapons, artillery for the Indian border, people's pockets, etc.

Some people believe its coz US is in favor of arming people not disarming them and bringing peace .

The preference of Pakistanis for convenient conspiracy theories over difficult truths is well-known.

What exactly can Pakistan do when the ISAF and ANA are refusing to take any action.

Agree on strategic objectives with Afghanistan and the coalition and establish a combined operational command with authority to work both sides of the border. Worked very well in WWII with the Brits and Americans.

 

[Albatross]

Yes, it was utterly stupid to ask Pakistan to do so as long as the two "allies" had divergent strategic goals: much of the money given to Pakistan to fight terrorism vanished into other purposes: nuclear weapons, artillery for the Indian border, people's pockets, etc.

According to IMF Pak lost 80 billion US dollars due to trade and other losses since 9/11 and the money US gave is atleats 10 times less than that and includes reimbursement to army for its expenses against militants under CSF.Rest most of the money was channeled through US favored NGO's which actually served hidden US purposes indeed some money was lost in corruption but thats what US wanted.with its networking US always knew where each and every penny is gonna end up.

The preference of Pakistanis for convenient conspiracy theories over difficult truths is well-known.[/UNQUOTE]

Yeah and what would you say about your nation that depiste labeling herself a GOD fearing christian nation allowed church of satan in 1966 Church of Satan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. You guys first need to decide with whom you are satanists or God. US is the one having a dozen bases and aircraft carriers around IRAN and still US is the one which is threatened isnt that FUNNY.

I guess its high time for americans to realize that they are now up against a different Pakistan.People who knows very well what US is and what it wants.