US Marines brawl with Filipinos in KTV lounge

[jhungary]

Lol.. Just another fail attempt and loser comment by you. Even you send your best team to competition. The Chinese will still beat any of your best US team. In fact, snow leopard team is just an ordinary swat team and I am surprised it still can get top for 2 years

Snow Leopard is the Special Force team from People Armed Police, it is not just municipal SWAT like the one the US Send to that competition. In term of Organisational Structure, Snow Leopard is the equivalent of FBI Counter Terrorist Team or HRT (Both belong to Special Weapon and Tactics Team (Which is missing in that competition). And also FBI SWATT are merely SWAT Team not a full fledge SF Team, under US Constitution, only US Military and National Guard are allowed Special Operation Team.

Your beloved Chinese team beats who?

The US Marine send 2 team from 1-22 and 2-22 MEU (Which is normal Marine Air Ground Task Force) not even the return of 2011 winner, the US Marine Force recon.

And lol if you think your team are better than the WORLD RENOUNCED top tier SpecOp team, do dream on.

Lack of interaction will mean the peacekeeper is ill discipline? What kind of logic is that? At least, its no raped and murder which US soldier and marines famous for when deploy overseas. Dont say I maligned you. Back with facts and data, unlike some who always assume.

You do know what is a Peacekeeper mission right? It's all about talking to local. You "Resolve" dispute with local and stop them from breaking peace, now, do tell me how do you resolve dispute with local people IF YOU DON'T SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE AND INTERACT WITH LOCAL?

Rape and Murder? PLA did that a lot in both Korea and Sino-Vietnam war, do you want me to show you some example now that you bring Mai Lai Massacre?

 

[Beast]

Snow Leopard is the Special Force team from People Armed Police, it is not just municipal SWAT like the one the US Send to that competition. In term of Organisational Structure, Snow Leopard is the equivalent of FBI Counter Terrorist Team or HRT (Both belong to Special Weapon and Tactics Team (Which is missing in that competition). And also FBI SWATT are merely SWAT Team not a full fledge SF Team, under US Constitution, only US Military and National Guard are allowed Special Operation Team.

Your beloved Chinese team beats who?

The US Marine send 2 team from 1-22 and 2-22 MEU (Which is normal Marine Air Ground Task Force) not even the return of 2011 winner, the US Marine Force recon.

And lol if you think your team are better than the WORLD RENOUNCED top tier SpecOp team, do dream on.



You do know what is a Peacekeeper mission right? It's all about talking to local. You "Resolve" dispute with local and stop them from breaking peace, now, do tell me how do you resolve dispute with local people IF YOU DON'T SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE AND INTERACT WITH LOCAL?

Rape and Murder? PLA did that a lot in both Korea and Sino-Vietnam war, do you want me to show you some example now that you bring Mai Lai Massacre?

Does little interaction equal to no interaction? They are no reports of PLA peacekeeper incompetent. And your link you provide is so full of western biased and hardly can be used as fair judgement. warisboring is a BS website used to spread US propaganda

Looks like you run out of excuse, most of the claim of PLA atrocities in Korea and Sino VIetnam are unverify and mostly make up by allies.

While the example I gives are concrete facts of the US soldier behavior. You mean I make up US soldier raped of Okinawa girls or Korean girls?

 

[jhungary]

Does little interaction equal to no interaction? They are no reports of PLA peacekeeper incompetent. And your link you provide is so full of western biased and hardly can be used as fair judgement. warisboring is a BS website used to spread US propaganda

Looks like you run out of excuse, most of the claim of PLA atrocities in Korea and Sino VIetnam are unverify and mostly make up by allies.

While the example I gives are concrete facts of the US soldier behavior. You mean I make up US soldier raped of Okinawa girls or Korean girls?

lol.........so, all my words are western propaganda and all your words are dead truth?

Man, I thought you can do better than that.......And lol, Chinese soldier did not murder any US/UN POW in Korean War, nor do they kill and rape any Vietnamese women during the Sino-Vietnamese war, this is all propaganda,

lol, you are very naïve, to a point that's fun to watch.

 

[Beast]

lol.........so, all my words are western propaganda and all your words are dead truth?

Man, I thought you can do better than that.......And lol, Chinese soldier did not murder any US/UN POW in Korean War, nor do they kill and rape any Vietnamese women during the Sino-Vietnamese war, this is all propaganda,

lol, you are very naïve, to a point that's fun to watch.

We need facts. Everybody know how unbiased and fantastic the western media like CNN when comes to Iraq WMD, FSA and an arab spring in Libya. . Do you think CNN will be nice on report on China?

I did raise a valid point. The warisboring website is lousy and biased website that only insane people will think that website report genuine article or news.

 

[jhungary]

We need facts. Everybody know how unbiased and fantastic the western media like CNN when comes to Iraq WMD, FSA and an arab spring in Libya. . Do you think CNN will be nice on report on China?

I did raise a valid point. The warisboring website is lousy and biased website that only insane people will think that website report genuine article or news.

So, again, you are saying No US or UN POW were murdered by Chinese PLA troop during Korean War, and No Vietnamese civilian were murdered or raped by PLA troop during Sino-Vietnamese conflict?

And did 't you guys jump for joy for War is boring blog last time around when they reported the F-35 is a dud? I can still remember what you said back then, do you want me to quote you to refresh your memory?

 

[Beast]

So, again, you are saying No US or UN POW were murdered by Chinese PLA troop during Korean War, and No Vietnamese civilian were murdered or raped by PLA troop during Sino-Vietnamese conflict?

And did 't you guys jump for joy for War is boring blog last time around when they reported the F-35 is a dud? I can still remember what you said back then, do you want me to quote you to refresh your memory?

Indeed, PLA are highly discipline and no atrocious committed. Just becos, US are ill discipline. Don't paint us as same flock.

While these cant be say for US armed forces

As for the F-35 comment. I do know that is a BS article, it was meant to be a joke? You can see thru it, do you?

 

[anon45]

You kidding right?
We are not as patient as the Japanese or Filipinos, with our mob culture some if not all of them may end up dying if they pull $hit like this?

If you support the murder of foreigners for beer tapping pranks, that speaks worse about you than Americans or Filipinos.

 

[Nan Yang]

I don't know why you can try and argue stuff that recorded in a video.

First, at 4:52. The Cop pull the side arm out of the black bag, IN FULL VIEW.
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He is pulling it out IN FRONT of the American, if I was simply checking my sidearm, I won't,

A.) Full it out all the way, look at the bag, feel it was still there is enough.
B.) I won't display it in front of the "aggressor, turn my back behind him and check it if I have to"

That is highly likely the American know the pistol exist at this point. As he is showing it in front of the Americans right across him.

Then, he POINTED the gun to the American a few second later.

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You can see the firearms and its bag/holster is still separated, full display of his side arm, this time, pointing it to an American. Basically, a minute later, he was disarmed.

The problem for your story is. There are no need for the police to check the firearm in the first place as you claim, the firearms is ALWAYS in the bag, until it was pull out for "Checking", I get the cop took the bag (with firearms) from the passed out colleague, but checking the pistol AT FULL DISPLAY?? Did that cop think the American have X-ray vision that they can see through the bag and "KNOW" psychically know there was a pistol in it? Secure the firearms is okay at that point, even it is at you said, "CHECKING" the firearm is not warranted. As nobody know that piece exist beside that 3 Filipino policeman.

Another issue is, that cop is DRUNK. You are not supposed to handle firearms when you are drunk, if I show up on a sport shooting event or at a gun range, waving my piece and checking my firearms in a clearly drunk state, what do you think the range's ranger would do? Sit there and laugh?

The third point is, those policemen should not have a firearm in the first place, they were off duty, they were DRUNK AND PASSED OUT. I cannot see any official reason for them to carry a side arm, in a sport bag, drunk and pass out in a pub.

If you did all three in country like the US and Australia, you will be fired from your job. This is very simple

LOL, if you think the American is at fault, and the Filipino is right to do what they did in this video, then I laugh at your ignorant.

Then, he POINTEDthe gun to the American a few second later.

Not entirely true.

He did not use the gun to point at the marines. He was pointing with his finger. He was holding the gun by the barrel.



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Another issue is, that cop is DRUNK. You are not supposed to handle firearms when you are drunk,

And oh….the marines were not drunk ? Look at this marine in the center. He could hardly walk with his legs straight.




My point is that at the time just before the cop was wrestled to the ground, the gun had been put away. The marines were in no immediate danger. They could have left the KTV lounge and everything would had been fine. They can than report the incident to the police. By wrestling him to the ground, he created a dangerous situation. What if the gun had gone off during the melee ?



Now you have two drunks fighting over the gun.

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[jhungary]

Not entirely true.

He did not use the gun to point at the marines. He was pointing with his finger. He was holding the gun by the barrel.



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And oh….the marines were not drunk ? Look at this marine in the center. He could hardly walk with his legs straight.




My point is that at the time just before the cop was wrestled to the ground, the gun had been put away. The marines were in no immediate danger. They could have left the KTV lounge and everything would had been fine. They can than report the incident to the police. By wrestling him to the ground, he created a dangerous situation. What if the gun had gone off during the melee ?



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Dude, do you actually know what you said?

1.) It's about and acts of aggression

He is holding the gun, and his hand is POINTING to the Marine. That is the same as he is POINTING the gun to the Marine. It does not matter where the barrel face, it clearly said "I have a gun on my hand and I will use it"

You will get shot if the Marine is armed, it does not matter where the barrel faced. That is an aggressive action. That is showing you are armed and dangerous. Do tell me what is the different between holding a gun barrel pointing up and holding the gun barrel pointing down range? A few second of posture readjustment?

2.) The cause and effect

And the same argument can applies to you as well, the Policemen could have left the KTV instead of pulling a gun.

Whatever the marine did does not excuse the fact that the Filipino Police escalating the conflict, they can leave, they can stay and disarm the guy, either way is right, because they did not escalate the situation. Those cop did.

Just because you walked away does not make the Filipino Cop right by pulling his side arm out. Unless you are claiming the cop is in the right to pull the side arm out (Such as try to arrest the Marine, but there are no point to arrest someone over a prank), then whether or not the Marine stay or go does not quite matter.

Again, if the same thing happened in an American pub, it will play out the same, and in the end, it would still be the cop fault. Your argument does not make sense.

And finally, if the gun is put away, then the Marine will not be able to get the gun after the wrestle. He may have set it aside somewhere, but if the Marine can get it from the guy after the tassel, that means the guns is still on him somewhere, it is just off camera. He could have put it down his pants, or what not, that would means he is still armed. Nothing changed just because it is not on his hand.

Indeed, PLA are highly discipline and no atrocious committed. Just becos, US are ill discipline. Don't paint us as same flock.

While these cant be say for US armed forces

As for the F-35 comment. I do know that is a BS article, it was meant to be a joke? You can see thru it, do you?

lol, I admire that fact that you can build your own world and live in it.

anyway, I don't see much of a point to discuss with you further.

 

[sicsheep]

So you are suggesting those Filipino Policemen should gun down those Marine to "defend" their national pride? Because they tap your mate's beer? Now that they are disarmed, should they be committing seppuku because of their inability to defend their national pride?

Now I know why everybody love China. LOL

HAHAHA do you try take the gun from the cops in the US if they draw their weapon?

 

[帅的一匹]

Well the Marine should have not made that tapping of bottle while the Filipino cop should have not immediately drew his pistol, and should have not that pistol if he is not on duty.

Corruption and too much bureaucracy are issues which affect the quality of training of Filipino cops.

Just lick yankee's arse harder please

 

[TaiShang]

That is why I mentioned that this thread is a bait for the Chinese to make insults against both Americans and Filipinos.

As far as I understand, in this situation, the insult goes one way only -- as posted in the video.

USers are definitely not the ones insulted in this particular case.

 

[bloo]

If you support the murder of foreigners for beer tapping pranks, that speaks worse about you than Americans or Filipinos.

You just took everything I said out of context, clearly it was just a hyperbole.

What I meant was they wouldn't have the balls to do something like this in India or risk getting really roughed up.

See unlike in Philippines or in Japan where US soldiers can get away with raping women, it won't fly here.

 

[jhungary]

HAHAHA do you try take the gun from the cops in the US if they draw their weapon?

It depends on situation, in this case, yes, I would.

I had a gun fight with Overland Sheriff Department once, their deputy fired on me without warning, they fired at me because I happened to drive the same make and model with a dude just knock off the local cheque cashing place.

In the end I got a letter of apologies and a reimbursement for the damage done to my car.

Cops are not always right, ESPECIALLY NOT WHEN THEY ARE DRUNK. This happened a lot, I have a civilian contractor disarming a ASIO intelligence officer in a Hotel just because she was drunk.

 

[anon45]

You just took everything I said out of context, clearly it was just a hyperbole.

What I meant was they wouldn't have the balls to do something like this in India or risk getting really roughed up.

See unlike in Philippines or in Japan where US soldiers can get away with raping women, it won't fly here.

You never really know here whether its hyperbole or not, there are some real characters here....