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If there was a demand ???
Sound like the people of Okinawa are die-hard fans of US marine.
US Marine kills elderly civilian in drunk-driving accident in Okinawa, Japan
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Sound like the people of Okinawa are die-hard fans of US marine.
Lol.. another delusionist. Japan don't even dare to hold a referendum for okinawan people. The okinawan fully against US troops on soil. Rest of the Japanese don't care since US soldier didn't soil them as okinawan take the full toll from US abuse. You really think there is real vote and choice in western preach society that included Japan? Maybe you let me to remind you Catalan? This name sounds familiar, right? Do they have a choice? No. I can see US lapdog don't care about an elderly man killed. As long as your ur agenda is served. An innocent is dispensable. Everybody can see the evil of supporter of US military.Are you comparing a road accident in Okinawa to Abu Gharib? If so...
Because most people in Japan support US troops on their soil. If there was a demand to kick the US out of Japan, it would've happened long ago.
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China lecturing about the value of an innocent life? Sure, whatever..
Of cos, China has the right to lecture about innocent. If not, you think US military has more right? After you run out of counter arguement. This is the only nonsense you can afford to reply? Lol.
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wow horrible.
I heard there are many Japanese who are against having American bases on their land.
I heard there are many Japanese who are against having American bases on their land.
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I think they are re-born as an enslaved nation after the defeat in the 2nd World War. And they are responsible for that; at least those that were in power positions at that time. They could have utilized their new-found powerful status for the good of Asia. Yet, they went long plundering the whole region, giving the US the perfect excuse to spread its militarist tentacles all over Northeast Asia.
Now they are powerless not only because of the US military itself as an immoral occupation force, but also because of their own corrupt iron triangle, business, media and bureaucracy.
At least Iraq recovered from the subjugation that resulted in Abu Ghuraibs and many other colonial insults and now is one of the anti-US coalition forming up in the Middle East.
Japan has been Abu Ghurabized for over 70 years and it is powerless, subjugated, dishonored.
Where is the bushido honor? The entire Okinawa is a practical brothel for an immoral, disgusting army.
At least, Germany recovered from WWII. Japan? Never until now.
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I guess both are occupied, though. However, Germany appears to have greater margin of free act. In fact, the US was much more benign to them post-WWII; Germany's direct rule lasted much shorter than that of Japan.
Japan's social DNA has been colonized.
Yet, sovereignty is either 100% or none. One cannot be 85% sovereign, and 15% not sovereign. Governments/States may give up on part of their sovereign rights (mutually) based on consensus and le free will; that's acceptable. For instance, WTO.
But, Japan is often pushed to a servitude that it inherently does not agree with. Case in point, Okinawa.
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Agreed with you that Japan is a puppet state of USA.
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Then both sides have the right lecture the other about innocenSt then?
What are you trying to prove? Now it's US soldier irresponsible on duty and killed innocent people. Maybe you feel ashame to have it talk about or you simply don't care about an elder man killed becos it's does not serve the interest of your US military. Maybe you still try to convince others , US armed forces is the world of peace?
US armed is the forces of evil. Everybody has eye and witness to know that. The world will be more peaceful if US armed forces is rid off from this world.
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Where is jhungary to defend the US? He will argue the US soldier is at fault but did not cause the death of the Japanese. The Japanese was responsible since he crashed himself on to the car.
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Democracy coming at a very high cost.
Okinawa incident sparks US troops alcohol ban in Japan
Many Okinawans object to the alleged crimes and accidents attributed to the troops. Resentment at the US presence has been growing among many locals, particularly since the 1995 gang-rape of a 12-year-old girl by US troops.
In 2016, the murder of a woman was linked to an ex-Marine employed at one of the bases, also leading to a temporary ban on alcohol as well as a midnight curfew.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42048473
Germans are fiercely independent. There is no comparison here.
China is going to lecture you on a whole host of things. From climate change to human rights. You better embrace yourself.
Okinawa incident sparks US troops alcohol ban in Japan
Many Okinawans object to the alleged crimes and accidents attributed to the troops. Resentment at the US presence has been growing among many locals, particularly since the 1995 gang-rape of a 12-year-old girl by US troops.
In 2016, the murder of a woman was linked to an ex-Marine employed at one of the bases, also leading to a temporary ban on alcohol as well as a midnight curfew.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42048473
Germans are fiercely independent. There is no comparison here.
China is going to lecture you on a whole host of things. From climate change to human rights. You better embrace yourself.
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Demoncrazy!
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Of course when an accident like this, it is unfortunate, and it adds a stink to the presence of US bases on Okinawa. But accidents of that kind also happen between Japanese and Japanese. In the end of the day, humans are humans, and accidents happen. Same goes with criminal behavior. Reality is that there are some nutjub anti-base people too such as this fellow and his group that block roads to get cars driven by Americans to stop and to bang the car and shout at them to die. Whether or not a Japanese is against the bases, that is not Japanese cultural behavior.
Anti-base sentiment on Okinawa is fairly high. But it does need a closer look. Some that are against the US base are against it because they feel it is unfair that about half of total US personnel stationed in Japan are in Okinawa. So there is a US base that is closing down called Futenma and the US plans a replacement for the base on a different part of Okinawa called Henoko. So some people are just against the US relocating within Okinawa. They just want less presence on Okinawa and for other parts of Japan to handle more. Granted there's still a sizable amount that are just simply against the US-Japan alliance but it is still just a subset that is anti-base. In some ways, it is understandable that they wouldn't always want a large US presence on Okinawa, but Okinawa's strategic location isn't going to change. That's why the plan is for Futenma to relocate to Henoko rather than someplace off of Okinawa and someone else further up in one of the 4 main Japanese islands.
In any case, the proportion of anti-base to not anti-base shouldn't be exaggerated. There was an election for the House of Representatives so of course, Okinawa districts were part of the elections.
Here is an image of all the districts in all the prefectures that voted. Overall, the Liberal Democratic Party of Shinzo Abe won big. In the picture below, they are represented as red. Green were parties that are in opposition to the LDP but still support some of the same things as the LDP such as changing the constitution or the US-Japan alliance. The blue are opposition parties that are generally also against changing the constitution and typically are also against the US-Japan alliance and the defense related laws that were passed 2 years ago. I added the names of some prefectures in English to the image.
http://www.sankei.com/politics/election2017.html
So then, let's take a closer look at the election results in the 4 districts in Okinawa.
http://www.sankei.com/politics/election2017/candidate/senkyoku-47.html
While candidates of course vary in positions and of party affiliation or independent, simply put, I will list their popular vote count along with their basic stance as either "pro-base" or "anti-base". So this is what we have for each of the districts:
District one
60,605 anti win
54,468 pro
34,215 pro
2,594 pro
District two
92,143 anti win
64,193 pro
District three
95,517 anti win
66,527 pro
3,031 pro
District four
82,199 pro win
75,887 anti
4,650 pro
So 3 are against and one is for. But if taking a total count of the votes, it comes to:
Anti = 324,152
Pro = 312,877
So its a very slight majority that voted for someone that is against the US bases. Now, among those that are against the US bases, the candidate that won in district three said that he wanted the Japanese Self-Defense Force to fill in where the US bases are. Well, I would prefer more support in Okinawa for the US bases, but this does show that the anti-base sentiment is not even close to "entirely against" as some posters here seem to think.
One other thing, about ideas about referendums for Okinawa independence, here is a survey conducted in Okinawa on April 22nd and April 23rd that included that question.
http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK4S45G6K4SUZPS003.html
And the question:
沖縄県の今後についてうかがいます。あなたは、沖縄県はどのような自治のあり方を目指すのがよいと思いますか。（択一）
今の沖縄県のままでよい３５▽より強い権限を持つ特別な自治体になる５１▽日本から独立する４
Which goes as:
Next is about Okinawa Prefecture from no on will be inquired. What kind of governance do you think would be good for Okinawa Prefecture to aim for?
Okinawa Prefecture as of now is good 35%
A special governing body with greater authority 51%
Independence from Japan 4%
So when was the last time Tibet or Xinjiang held an election or had a political survey asking about independence?
Anti-base sentiment on Okinawa is fairly high. But it does need a closer look. Some that are against the US base are against it because they feel it is unfair that about half of total US personnel stationed in Japan are in Okinawa. So there is a US base that is closing down called Futenma and the US plans a replacement for the base on a different part of Okinawa called Henoko. So some people are just against the US relocating within Okinawa. They just want less presence on Okinawa and for other parts of Japan to handle more. Granted there's still a sizable amount that are just simply against the US-Japan alliance but it is still just a subset that is anti-base. In some ways, it is understandable that they wouldn't always want a large US presence on Okinawa, but Okinawa's strategic location isn't going to change. That's why the plan is for Futenma to relocate to Henoko rather than someplace off of Okinawa and someone else further up in one of the 4 main Japanese islands.
In any case, the proportion of anti-base to not anti-base shouldn't be exaggerated. There was an election for the House of Representatives so of course, Okinawa districts were part of the elections.
Here is an image of all the districts in all the prefectures that voted. Overall, the Liberal Democratic Party of Shinzo Abe won big. In the picture below, they are represented as red. Green were parties that are in opposition to the LDP but still support some of the same things as the LDP such as changing the constitution or the US-Japan alliance. The blue are opposition parties that are generally also against changing the constitution and typically are also against the US-Japan alliance and the defense related laws that were passed 2 years ago. I added the names of some prefectures in English to the image.
http://www.sankei.com/politics/election2017.html
So then, let's take a closer look at the election results in the 4 districts in Okinawa.
http://www.sankei.com/politics/election2017/candidate/senkyoku-47.html
While candidates of course vary in positions and of party affiliation or independent, simply put, I will list their popular vote count along with their basic stance as either "pro-base" or "anti-base". So this is what we have for each of the districts:
District one
60,605 anti win
54,468 pro
34,215 pro
2,594 pro
District two
92,143 anti win
64,193 pro
District three
95,517 anti win
66,527 pro
3,031 pro
District four
82,199 pro win
75,887 anti
4,650 pro
So 3 are against and one is for. But if taking a total count of the votes, it comes to:
Anti = 324,152
Pro = 312,877
So its a very slight majority that voted for someone that is against the US bases. Now, among those that are against the US bases, the candidate that won in district three said that he wanted the Japanese Self-Defense Force to fill in where the US bases are. Well, I would prefer more support in Okinawa for the US bases, but this does show that the anti-base sentiment is not even close to "entirely against" as some posters here seem to think.
One other thing, about ideas about referendums for Okinawa independence, here is a survey conducted in Okinawa on April 22nd and April 23rd that included that question.
http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK4S45G6K4SUZPS003.html
And the question:
沖縄県の今後についてうかがいます。あなたは、沖縄県はどのような自治のあり方を目指すのがよいと思いますか。（択一）
今の沖縄県のままでよい３５▽より強い権限を持つ特別な自治体になる５１▽日本から独立する４
Which goes as:
Next is about Okinawa Prefecture from no on will be inquired. What kind of governance do you think would be good for Okinawa Prefecture to aim for?
Okinawa Prefecture as of now is good 35%
A special governing body with greater authority 51%
Independence from Japan 4%
So when was the last time Tibet or Xinjiang held an election or had a political survey asking about independence?
