US investigating possible ISI role in Mumbai attack

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The first thing right off the bat is that if the US is still 'investigating' then that means that all the 'fantastic leaks' reported in the Indian media are fabricated (they cannot be verified independently given the conditions of the interrogations), or at the very least do not add up.

Otherwise the US has had access to Headley for a very long time now, and ample time and opportunity to 'investigate', so suggesting that they will do so now rubbishes Indian claims about Headley's so called 'confessions'.

I would chalk this down to an 'own goal' by the Indian media

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Uh. Let's see. A crime is committed in Location A; the crime is planned in Location B. The investigations in Location A can only gather evidence at the crime scene but the real proof can only be garnered in Location B. So the onus of finding evidence based on information provided rests with Location B. Is that fair?

What's more - Location B - being Pakistan has a laughable track record when it comes to actually bothering to find evidence. They have even hanged their own PM - Z.A. Bhutto through their judicial process despite paucity of evidence. They regularly give up their own citizens to USA without evidence - infact without any judicial process. What evidence was needed to kill that Bugti fellow?

So Pakistan's holier-than-thou "lack of evidence" track would be funny in other circumstances. I would believe it if the USA or UK made such noises since we know that they actually have a functioning and independent judiciary. But Pakistan?? Even you can see the conundrum here.

Regardless of what you think of the Pakistani investigation agencies, the requirement for credible evidence to substantiate allegations does not vanish, and so far we have no credible evidence.

 

[SMC]

Uh. Let's see. A crime is committed in Location A; the crime is planned in Location B. The investigations in Location A can only gather evidence at the crime scene but the real proof can only be garnered in Location B. So the onus of finding evidence based on information provided rests with Location B. Is that fair?

What's more - Location B - being Pakistan has a laughable track record when it comes to actually bothering to find evidence. They have even hanged their own PM - Z.A. Bhutto through their judicial process despite paucity of evidence. They regularly give up their own citizens to USA without evidence - infact without any judicial process. What evidence was needed to kill that Bugti fellow?

So Pakistan's holier-than-thou "lack of evidence" track would be funny in other circumstances. I would believe it if the USA or UK made such noises since we know that they actually have a functioning and independent judiciary. But Pakistan?? Even you can see the conundrum here.

Ok, so you say that US and UK noises have more weight.

It is important to note that their information come from their intelligence, whose credibility you should know. Additionally, in this case, the information is coming from Afghan intelligence. That's besides the information being unverified and raw. I don't need to say too much about that.

But more importantly, what does the above have to do with my argument? Is that another diversion attempt?

As far your analogy goes in the first paragraph. Well yes, that's how it goes. US gathered evidence that 9/11, Times Square attack, etc. Same goes for UK, same goes for your mumbai attack. So it's probably not as hard as you're making it to be since it's done so many times.

 

[Jackdaws]

Regardless of what you think of the Pakistani investigation agencies, the requirement for credible evidence to substantiate allegations does not vanish, and so far we have no credible evidence.

I agree. However, the evidence for an act planned in Pakistan lies in Pakistan. India can at best provide circumstantial evidence - the onus for verification and gathering of evidence lies on Pakistan. Headley has thrown a wild card into the mix as some members of the ISI would be involved according to him. Whether or not they are involved is debatable - but I doubt that the civilian Pakistan govt. has the stomach to launch an investigation into the ISI. For example - that Purohit fellow from the Indian Army responsible for the Malegaon blasts is ******* in jail - how many ISI people are in jail in Pakistan?

 

[Jackdaws]

Ok, so you say that US and UK noises have more weight.

It is important to note that their information come from their intelligence, whose credibility you should know. Additionally, in this case, the information is coming from Afghan intelligence. That's besides the information being unverified and raw. I don't need to say too much about that.

But more importantly, what does the above have to do with my argument? Is that another diversion attempt?

As far your analogy goes in the first paragraph. Well yes, that's how it goes. US gathered evidence that 9/11, Times Square attack, etc. Same goes for UK, same goes for your mumbai attack. So it's probably not as hard as you're making it to be since it's done so many times.

Yep. But Pakistan will listen the Yanks and Brits because they need them - for arms, ammo, sustenance of economy etc. They don't need the Indians for anything. So they have no interest in aiding the Indian investigation. Lastly, they see the enemies of USA/UK as enemies of Pakistan in most cases, whereas the enemies of India are still "strategic assets" and could bare a few skeletons in Pakistan's closet. My point is that the US "investigation" is a sham because the USA couldn't care less. Well - they might care but it is not their job. They are doing it just to appease the Indian leadership.

 

[KS]

Lets keep conspiracy theories aside for minute , lets look at it this way 5-6 gun men enters in a different country few thousand miles from their origin they have few hundred rounds and grenades and create a havoc in a mega city ........... my question is where was the big army of 1 million men ?? and my guess is all posted in Kashmir ... Indians should move some from Kashmir and secure its western borders rather than non stop rant of blaming ISI

And even if the 1 million army is posted on the west coast how will they identify 10 animals that have come in a fishing trawler with a hell bent intention of killing civilians.?

And please return the favour by posting the 0.6 million strong Pak army al along the borders and stop blaming RAW.